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Maugrim posted:If you’re the last remaining scum you surely don’t care which townie you kill You care if the bullet bounces back to you!
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Yami Fenrir posted:Because he wouldn't be one of the claimed bouncers? So you could make it to 4 person mylo and have a confirmed action
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Apr 27, 2023 05:26
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You can say “I didn’t do that” all you like but acting like it’s some mystifying move is ludicrous
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Apr 27, 2023 05:27
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And Yami asked me earlier if I knew my bumper would be a passive. I think they targeted me for the nk hoping like hell it was an active ability and I wouldn’t use it.
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Apr 27, 2023 05:27
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Also can we please be clear about whether punk is actually confirmed as a bumper, because him dropping off a vote early and just leaving is sus and we haven’t even talked about it!
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Apr 27, 2023 05:27
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t a s t e posted:You’ll have to untangle this because to me aiming at a guy with a bumper is a bad move  I don't know. Scum might have forgotten about that tidbit. If you don't know/forgot about the bumper, targeting maug over me would have been 100% the correct call. Also you can't call me clever and then accuse me of being that stupid at the same time. Which one is it?
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Apr 27, 2023 05:28
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Maugrim posted:And Yami asked me earlier if I knew my bumper would be a passive. I think they targeted me for the nk hoping like hell it was an active ability and I wouldn’t use it. Taste is the one that asked. I just said "I would like an answer too."
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Apr 27, 2023 05:28
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t a s t e posted:Also can we please be clear about whether punk is actually confirmed as a bumper, because him dropping off a vote early and just leaving is sus and we haven’t even talked about it! Sand targeted punk night 1, but that's the only activation punk claimed.
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Apr 27, 2023 05:29
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Yami Fenrir posted:
I don’t think you’re stupid, I think you’re scum
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Apr 27, 2023 05:30
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t a s t e posted:Also can we please be clear about whether punk is actually confirmed as a bumper, because him dropping off a vote early and just leaving is sus and we haven’t even talked about it! This is moving very quickly and I’m on my phone in bed. I know I believe punk is a bumper but finding the evidence will be a pain until I’m at my computer. I do find the meta “he wasn’t even around during the last night” argument unfortunately convincing though
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Apr 27, 2023 05:31
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Maugrim posted:This is moving very quickly and I’m on my phone in bed. Same.
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Apr 27, 2023 05:32
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t a s t e posted:I don’t think you’re stupid, I think you’re scum Okay but if I'm non-stupid scum, why would I be targeting the person I gave a bumper too? I think you're not thinking this through properly. Possibly on purpose.
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Apr 27, 2023 05:32
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Well, there’s a vote sitting on me and I don’t think it’s going to end up moving so we might as well get this over with. I think assuming that the guy you think is scum will be easy pickings at night is a mistake but I’m not the one holding the gun.
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Apr 27, 2023 05:33
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Yami Fenrir posted:Okay but if I'm non-stupid scum, why would I be targeting the person I gave a bumper too? Well, you’d have to weed through three bumpers and green wing, so it doesn’t really matter.
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Apr 27, 2023 05:34
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Or, of course, you didn’t know it was passive
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Apr 27, 2023 05:35
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Yami Fenrir posted:Taste is the one that asked. I just said "I would like an answer too." True, I misread, apologies I have to say I am amused by the potential scenario where we vote off taste, I vig Yami and Yami NKs me leaving Punkreas as a lone townie bumper standing in the ruins of the machine.
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Apr 27, 2023 05:35
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Why do you think yami won’t just redirect you?
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t a s t e posted:Well, you’d have to weed through three bumpers and green wing, so it doesn’t really matter. Green Wing claimed to have no more charges left. If I was scum, I'd know they're town and unlikely to be lying because they're asking to be vigged.
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Apr 27, 2023 05:36
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Yami Fenrir posted:Green Wing claimed to have no more charges left. If I was scum, I'd know they're town and unlikely to be lying because they're asking to be vigged. Yeah, but they’d be a bad scum kill
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Apr 27, 2023 05:38
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t a s t e posted:Why do you think yami won’t just redirect you? With what ability? The launch doesn’t redirect the targets action as far as I know. Even if it does, if they use the launch, they won’t be performing a NK so it will be 2-1 the next day and you can vote them off.
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Apr 27, 2023 05:38
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Anyway I'm off to the doctor for a bit
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Apr 27, 2023 05:39
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Wait no I’m wrong it will be 1-1
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Apr 27, 2023 05:39
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Maugrim posted:With what ability? The launch doesn’t redirect the targets action as far as I know. Even if it does, if they use the launch, they won’t be performing a NK so it will be 2-1 the next day and you can vote them off. If you lynch me, it’ll be the three of you. A redirected kill ends the game. I thought Yami’s entire thing was choosing where you go?
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Apr 27, 2023 05:39
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Okay, taste here has actually given me pause to stop and think about how Yami’s action works. I don’t think it redirects my action but I think Yami believes it does so I’ll have to check back over my notes once I’m out of bed
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Apr 27, 2023 05:41
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Well actually it might guarantee a draw lol
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Apr 27, 2023 05:41
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I’d obviously prefer to vote punk here and then progress with your plan because I know I’m town while I have a little doubt on him but I have no real power to shape this day, I don’t think
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Apr 27, 2023 05:42
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Look in my eyes I do not lie when I’m playing mafia Not ever I am town ##vote punk
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Apr 27, 2023 05:49
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Just want to go back and address thisYami Fenrir posted:I think this is a bad argument. Bumpers are passive - you know this because you had an oneshot. Taste could have easily carried out a kill on top. 1st para, my whole point is yes, bumpers are passive, and yet whoever it was didn’t carry out a kill. 2nd para, because you were the last scum left and knew you had to build townie cred to have a chance of surviving. Launching a safe town bet would do that. This, while the presumed SK was still alive, was your best shot as there would always be the assumption that the SK and the scum kill both targeted the same person by sheer chance. 3rd para, nobody’s seen any kill protection from any flips so far. I think the scum kill is just fiat immune from being redirected back to scum.
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Apr 27, 2023 05:55
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t a s t e posted:Look in my eyes This is the scummiest post I’ve ever seen, haha Whether I vote you or Yami is going to come down to whether I believe Yami’s action can redirect my kill, I think.
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Apr 27, 2023 05:57
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Maugrim posted:This is the scummiest post I’ve ever seen, haha It’s so true you can’t possibly comprehend how true it is
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Apr 27, 2023 06:08
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Maugrim posted:This is the scummiest post I’ve ever seen, haha Why not punk? A scum punk would be perfectly content to sit out yesterday
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Apr 27, 2023 06:09
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Maugrim posted:Just want to go back and address this Okay I do see what you mean now re kill protection, if scum are immune to scum kill but not immune to having it redirected back at them then we would see a no scum kill in that circumstance. Ugh this game is doing my head in
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Apr 27, 2023 06:12
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I’m gonna go with the option that will make me feel real clever if they flip scum, and not the options that will make me feel like I shrugged and flipped a coin. ##vote Yami
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Apr 27, 2023 06:22
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I’d vote yami but yami obviously won’t and who knows what punk does
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Apr 27, 2023 06:28
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I do want to see what Punk does when he actually has time to play, yeah
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Good night ##unvote
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t a s t e posted:I’d obviously prefer to vote punk here and then progress with your plan because I know I’m town while I have a little doubt on him but I have no real power to shape this day, I don’t think I am sorry but this makes no sense. Taste is just throwing all of the arguments at the wall and hoping one sticks. He's accusing me of both being clever scum and then stupidly attacking Maug anyway. He's also both arguing that I need to be killed tonight, because I may be able to redirect the vig - and then argues voting punk instead... so I can redirect the vig...? This is, of course, also ignoring that neither punk nor taste can be targeted by vigs if they're bumpers, which HE KNOWS. Taste isn't thinking beyond this game day, this is desperate flailing by scum. ##vote taste
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Maugrim posted:This is the scummiest post I’ve ever seen, haha Okay my honest answer is... I don't know. I think I said so already, but it may have been in the masonry. According to the wording, I launch a player. The launched player then "randomly visits" another player. I have no control over the target, that's why I only ever said "I launched X" not "I launched X into Y". My initial assumption was that I do redirect the entire action to another person. However, I've had some time to think about this while I was at the doctor and something occurred to me. You said that you knew I launched you into taste. Did you receive a result to that sort? Because it occurred to me that if I had redirected you into taste, which then redirected into IA, you would have gotten IA's power, not Taste's. So I think that it may generate a secondary visit after all - i. e. the vig bounced off taste, and then my launch hit taste and gave you a bumper.
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Maug, can you confirm what the exact result you got n3 was? Were you specifically told you got launched into taste?
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Trying to catch up as I can, again, I have long work hours - it's 4:30am right now, drinking coffee and getting a post in before heading out, which I'm on long call today until 8pm and that's if I'm lucky and we don't admit a patient right before the shift ends Anyway, that's why I pop in and out Not sure if bumper can be verified? If you want check posts, one of my first in the thread alluded to it (as it's completely passive, I submit nothing), and when Toal posted his role I told everyone that I could confirm that he was telling the truth about being a bumper - I didn't say why then to avoid a role claim, but it was because his description was exactly what my role was I'll be here for an hour before leaving - I feel like this will end before the deadline but I'm hoping to check in by the final hour if not kept late at work (which I really hope not because I need sleeeeep)
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