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Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Green Wing posted:

te="Green Wing" post="531395758"]
##vote taste

Taste will claim refuge in audacity and that scum wouldn't case a townie that hard, I think that's bollocks.

Hi yami

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Hi.

Unfortunately I replaced in fairly late and I only had like 1 and a half hours to speed read yesterday, so I don't have the best reads yet.

My initial thought are that both taste and toal have gone for easy snipes in way that doesn't feel right to me, punkreas reads kind of tmi, and I'm wary of the people that jumped onto GW on day 1.

I'm at work now so getting proper reads will take a bit.

Can y'all not turbo taste? He's already at -2, I'd like to have time to catch up.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 06:40

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# ¿ Dec 7, 2025 12:37

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Maugrim posted:

Hi Yami, nice to meet you. Based on what happened to me last night I feel okay about you being town for the moment.

Green Wing and I are the only ones awake at this time so I doubt a turbo is going to happen.

To help with your reconstruction of events, I�m a town night vig.

I targeted Toal night 1 and got redirected onto binus by sheer luck
I targeted wins night 2 and got �em
I targeted taste night 3 and got redirected onto Idle Amalgam.

When I do the kill the flavour text says �ejected�, same as the day elims, whereas scum kills are flavoured as �destroyed�. I assume scum targeted IA last night as an almost-confirmed townie but were foiled by me accidentally killing him first.

This is useful resolution order information, and why I feel okay claiming now - even if scum target me tonight I should be able to get one more shot in

Oh, okay. Interesting.

If I hadn't known that I wouldn't have used my thing on you and let you shoot taste.

Can you elaborate on how your role works? 3 shots in a game this size seems a lot.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 07:07

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Maugrim posted:

It is literally the simplest role possible. I can kill one person a night.

The reason I suspect it�s not OP is because it�s so prone to redirection (2/3 times so far!) - since Keats� death I straight up cannot kill bumpers with it which is why I kept asking him to lay his ability on me.

Also from what you just said I�m not sure I�ve understood how your ability works? I got launched into someone and gained a one shot ability from� them, I assume. I assumed target was random but does your launch action also explicitly redirect the target of my action? Because the one-shot I gained doesn�t seem to match IA�s

I am not 100% sure how it works myself. Paraphrased:

I target you.

You will randomly visit a player (I don't know if in addition or instead of your target).

You will then receive a one-shot of said random target.

I don't know if you'll even do your role ability on said target or if it's a "wanderer" style empty target.

The role PM isn't entirely clear on any of these things unfortunately. I targeted you mostly because you were unclaimed, but also seemed townie to me, so I wouldn't mind you getting a one-shot ability. I was worried about messing up an important townie ability... and apparently did exactly that.

:negative:

Fwiw, my initial thought was Green Wing, but they redirect, and RWC already complained about getting redirected before.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 07:24

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Yami Fenrir posted:

I am not 100% sure how it works myself. Paraphrased:

I target you.

You will randomly visit a player (I don't know if in addition or instead of your target).

You will then receive a one-shot of said random target.

I don't know if you'll even do your role ability on said target or if it's a "wanderer" style empty visit.

The role PM isn't entirely clear on any of these things unfortunately. I targeted you mostly because you were unclaimed, but also seemed townie to me, so I wouldn't mind you getting a one-shot ability. I was worried about messing up an important townie ability... and apparently did exactly that.

Fwiw, my initial thought was Green Wing, but they redirect, and RWC already complained about getting redirected before.

Maf edit.

Speaking if RWC, I was recruited into a masonry by them last night.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 07:25

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Punkreas posted:

Going to be honest, wasn't reading GW as scum nearly all game but yesterday has shot her up quite a bit - said voting for someone that is likely town would be a bad idea, does it anyway, and had a lot of vote switching which I don't feel like is apt for a veteran player

Can you elaborate on that? I'm reading GW as fairly town so I'm pretty curious.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 10:26

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Guys, I'm all for voting taste but he's at -1 already, please calm down.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 12:57

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Yes, and we got an entire day to flip them.

Please give me time to catch up properly.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 13:19

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Yeah I do have to agree that the first reaction to "Hey I vigged two scum" without a counterclaim being "eh scum maybe?" is a little odd

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 13:34

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Anyway I'm reading the thread properly now, and will dig into post histories and stuff later.

Right now I'm still at one of toal/taste being the most likely to have scum in it, but I'm sorta wondering if toal isn't actually a better choice.

Toal had a really opportunistic vote on GW.

Toalpaz posted:

I agree ##vote green wings

So did paranoid.

Paranoid Dude posted:

Sorry, I just like to see things happen, GW...

##vote GW

Taste notably didn't iirc.

The speed at which taste picked up votes today concerns me a little bit also, especially with paranoid being the one to do so.

More as I get there.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 13:41

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Hmm paranoia was actually pushing toal pretty hard d3.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 15:12

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Ah that makes a lot more sense, I was actually about to ask where the hell your toal suspicion went.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 15:44

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

I was actually talking about you, para, but noted.

Going by my vague memory of the old games there were scum bumpers or at least had them as fakeclaims. I think just dismissing bumpers as instant VT seems very dangerous.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 16:03

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

t a s t e posted:

Yes, this is why I claimed vanilla clown

Wait, are you claiming bumper too?

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 16:32

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Toalpaz posted:

I agree ##vote green wings

+1 vote on GW.

Toalpaz posted:

##vote johnny Keats

I think this is a fine execution. I am pro Keats death.

+1 vote on Keats

Toalpaz posted:

if i understand the game mechanics, there's almost 0 % chance of your ability being pro town, because as it is described, it makes scum kill more predictable.

I'm a pro town role too, so it's suspicious that you'd try and throw shade at me for being pro town. >:^)

I'm still unsure how bumper is pro town. Not that I think all bumpers are scum (that's impossible ofc) but this seems like over-embellishing the role's towniness.

Toalpaz posted:

im also still willing to kill green wings. I'll kill again and again until i win.

This was way after Green Wing admitted the PR was fake, and just reads to me that they just held onto their scumread, entirely disregarding that the main reason people were sus of GW seemed to have been the role?

Toalpaz posted:

##vote meen i cant believe we killed our real doctor _jailer over meen

hopped onto meen after JK already started the push.

Toalpaz posted:

by the way we are 1000)% killing kea(ts)n if meen flips town.

setting up a chain execution, both of which we know know were town.

Toalpaz posted:

There's nothing to talk about. Vote out meens and green wings and win

Oh and still going on about GW... for some reason? Can someone tell me if there was actual suspicion on GW at the time? To me this just seems like they've never bothered updating their reads.

Toalpaz posted:

There's nothing to talk about. Vote out meens and green wings and win

Toalpaz posted:

I don't have to think about anything sir, I'm town.

The kill is cause scum has 2 kills
There is a town vigilantee
There is a serial killer
Binus's head just did that

That doesn't have any bearing on the course of our actions voting here today in this township.

Shutting down discussion.

Toalpaz posted:

##vote gw

wants to vote out basically vanilla town when there's people dying and someone else confirmed my role

This just seems like a bad faith argument given that there's at least 4 bumpers and nothing about the role guarantees town alignment.

Toalpaz posted:

It's true, I got launched and I had the ability to shoot a masonry at someone. Someone. Just never used it because I don't like being in the masonry. So that launchability is confirmed, not anti-town

This is also honestly weird. You're the closest thing to a VT, and you refuse to use the action that you did get. Liking Masons or no this does mean that the action is conveniently free to do other things, such as, y'know, nking people.

Christ now that I'm actually listing it this is so much.

##vote toal

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 16:42

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Yami Fenrir posted:

Wait, are you claiming bumper too?

Taste, please answer this, might be into something.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 16:43

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

t a s t e posted:

Don�t really blame you for voting me, it�s probably green wing but I get it

I keep hearing people say that but I feel like nobody ever elaborates why?

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 16:45

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

That's our 5th bumper claim then. That seems a lot. How many bumpers does a pinball machine usually have?

# ¿ Apr 24, 2023 17:43

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

What flipper are you supposed to be maug?

CapitalistPig posted:

b-minus - Top Right Flipper Scum aligned was expelled on night 1!

Top Right Flipper - You may target another player at night, you then designate a second target., Actions targeting the first player are redirected to the second player.

You are in an unconfirmed masonry with -redacted-

You are scum aligned and win when the scum control the vote.

CapitalistPig posted:

JosefStalinator - Bottom Right Flipper - Town aligned was destroyed on night 2!

You are the Bottom Right Flipper

Bottom Right Flipper - You may target a player at night, that player must then activate their ability on a second player of your choice. (You send me the first target AND the second.) The player knows their action has been tampered with.

You are in an unconfirmed masonry with --redacted-

You are town aligned and win when town eliminates all threats.

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wins32767 - Bottom Left Flipper - Scum aligned was expelled on night 2!

You are the Bottom Left Flipper

Bottom Left Flipper - You may target a player at night, that player must then activate their ability on a second player of your choice. (You send me the first target AND the second.) The player knows their action has been tampered with.

You are in an unconfirmed masonry with -redacted-

You are scum aligned and win when the scum control the vote.

CapitalistPig posted:

Idle Amalgam - Top Left Flipper - Town aligned was expelled on night 3!

You are the top left flipper

Top Left Flipper - You may target another player at night, you then designate a second target., Actions targeting the first player are redirected to the second player.

You are in an unconfirmed masonry with -Redacted-

You are town aligned and win when town eliminates all threats.
It is now day 4.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 05:00

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Maugrim posted:

I�m �the flippers�, plural, unqualified. Which I guess means the big flippers at the bottom that yeet the ball back into play when it�s about to run into the gutter?

I don't get how that meshes with the flips. That'd mean 6 flippers?

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 06:16

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

##vote Maugrim

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 06:38

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

##unvote

I was mostly interested in testing Maugs reaction, honestly. I do think the flavor claim is somewhat suspect but toal does seem a higher priority.

Speaking of which, it's a complete no show at this point. We could just hammer between me and RWC if people are up to it?

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 07:06

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Green Wing posted:

If we kill a scum and the game doesn't end, we kill maug. But we have to kill a scum first before taking that bet. Given maug's claim, he's either town or sk.

You think there's 3 scum + surv + SK?

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 07:07

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Green Wing posted:

This is weird

FWIW I trust RWC implicitly

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 07:08

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Maug, are you okay with me hammering or do you have something to add still?

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 07:13

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

##vote Toal

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 07:21

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Green Wing posted:

I think that a setup with an unlimited town vig (which I think is basically required if the setup was 4 scum plus a survivor) is wild, but I'm not willing to bet I'm wrong on this.

I think taste and paranoid are the most clearly scummy out of who is left, but I can't fault the logic that it's best to kill nobody today.

This is where I am at as well.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 18:34

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Also GW was recruited into the masonry last night.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 18:37

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Ok some sort of disjointed thoughts of mine:

I found the instant rush on taste a bit odd (almost got turbo'd), so I went digging a little.

Of the first few votes on taste were GW and Maugrim.

The third was punkreas.

Punkreas posted:

I stuck with ##vote taste last round and I'll do the same here

Punkreas posted:

Going to be honest, wasn't reading GW as scum nearly all game but yesterday has shot her up quite a bit - said voting for someone that is likely town would be a bad idea, does it anyway, and had a lot of vote switching which I don't feel like is apt for a veteran player

This vote sticks out to me a little bit. Punkreas reads GW as scum, but votes the person that GW is slam voting with 0 hesitation?

I even asked for clarification, but got no response.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 18:41

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

On Paranoid:

I checked the votefinder posts and they have avoided being on any execution votes at EOD until Toal was yeeted.

Their post history seems very tunnely. While it started with some back and fort with GW, almost all of it is about either JK or Toal, both of which we now know were town (but also very easy targets).

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 18:46

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

On Maug: On a re-read I do feel like their post history is pretty townie. My suspicion is mostly setup related, an unlimited vig is really strong and your flavor clashes with flipped roles.

I don't think Maug is scum at least, so I'm not currently interested in pursuing them.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 18:50

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

On taste: Feels very sideliney, and I've found his d4 pretty weird - especially the complete tangent regarding GW at the end.

Speaking of which, can one of you guys PLEASE explain the suspicion on GW already? I feel like every single mention so far has just neglected to elaborate even upon request.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 18:55

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Ultimately I think I'm okay with the No-Lunch strategy, or if we're not doing that one of paranoid or taste.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 18:56

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

I've said what I had in mind already, but I'm also about to go to sleep so I don't really mind if you end the day either way

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 19:49

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

t a s t e posted:

So essentially I�m clearing yami and maugrim because I�m lazy

I�m town so I�m not scum

That leaves two scum out of paranoid, punkreas and greeny

in a world where I�m telling the truth and right about the two townies, who�s scum of those three

paranoid and punk. Green comes over pretty natural to me, in thread and masonry.

Anyway I'm tuning out for now, bai

# ¿ Apr 25, 2023 19:57

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Morning.

I'm torn. I can see the logic behind NL but taste also does make a good point regarding who the NK is likely going to be.

On the other hand though I felt like the push on GW was really bad faith. You can't just go propose a NL and then pressure somebody for not voting somebody like that.

Granted I have an unique perspective from being in a masonry with them but I remain fairly convinced GW is town.

I feel like a scum that's on painkillers for most of the game like that would make more mistakes and I do feel like GW has been pretty consistent, too?

# ¿ Apr 26, 2023 04:47

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

By the way, could the bumper folks make a nice, clean list of when they've activated so far?

I doubt we'll be able to ascertain much via night actions but I think it'd be good to have out regardless.

# ¿ Apr 26, 2023 04:49

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

I know that most of it was said already but it's kind of scattered.

# ¿ Apr 26, 2023 04:50

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Punkreas posted:

Yeah, no, reading the last couple pages I do not like this no vote trend, I absolutely don't see how a delay helps town with such narrow margins

Stress is getting to me so I'm flipping a bunch on the scum-o-meter:

#1 GW
#2 Maugrim (again, this no-vote!)
#3 taste

Now I'm going to be mad if the scum isn't taste after firmly voting for two days on them!

I don't see how Maugrim can be scum tbh.

# ¿ Apr 26, 2023 04:52

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Punkreas posted:

Sorry, long days in the bowels of the hospital, I'll try to catch up on things

Yami - GW was solid town and got more scummy, not sure if actually scum but making me doubt my heavy trust in her, for the reason I posted along with it:

Some were calling to kill Keats anyway for the reads, I said that was not a smart move for town, GW agreed with Keats likely being town and to not kill him, but when the day began to close decided to off him anyway

I know I'm the new guy here but that's just bad play, and I feel like today her posting is uncharacteristically defensive - there's no way we're thinking there's a town-to-scum ability, is there?

Writing this I'm convincing myself against GW but internally I don't like it because the first couple days she was such strong town

you mean an alignment chance? Those are usually clearly stated in the OP.

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# ¿ Dec 7, 2025 12:37

Yami Fenrir: Jan 25, 2015; Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Yami Fenrir posted:

you mean an alignment change? Those are usually clearly stated in the OP.

maf edit

# ¿ Apr 26, 2023 05:11

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