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Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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I'd like to play. And I read the rules, of course.

Somberbrero fucked around with this message at 22:42 on May 4, 2023

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Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Am I getting ahead of myself by watching the movie before reading the book? Which version should I actually watch?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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##vote binus last in first out

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Johnny Keats posted:

My role hints at the existence of votes happening during night phase, which is bizarre. It does not *give* me the ability to do so, it just implies the existence of such in a one-off clarification.

oh, so you're not part of the special secret anonymous council of nightvoters?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Genuine ##vote hypercrabtank for fishin'

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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b-minus1 posted:

Where does it say that

Did you check the second secret discord for your real role message?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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wins32767 posted:

I think HCT is unlikely to be scum from the flavor fishing. I think the knee jerk votes on him are pretty scummy.

What's the town rationale for that behavior? It's an immediate, self-serving distraction.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Tired Moritz posted:

10 per day

That's the plan, but there's not much to respond to, right now!!

5

The conversation will eventually shift to 'yes but is lampshading your blatant attempt to contribute the bare minimum to discussion too scummy to be scum?'

the answer is no.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Hyper Crab Tank posted:

What's the scum rationale for that behavior? Again, y'all are really reading too much into a bit of jokephase fun.

But if we're talking about it, the flavor component of this game is a bit of a question mark to me right now, honestly. Clearly, flavor is important. In what way, though? Is it the case that if we knew everyone's flavor, the villains would stick out like a sore thumb? It's as possible as anything. Frankly I don't know much about the flavor anyway, I haven't seen the movie and don't know any more about it than that's on wikipedia. But if you ask me, my guess is that the people who are most interested in hiding their flavor are scum, and that makes me suspicious of the people who react violently to the mere suggestion that they share their name in the thread.

it's both a joke and also important?

I think you have more information than I do which makes me think you may be a member of the informed minority. If you're suggesting a mass flavor claim, you can go first.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Johnny Keats posted:

Ugh, well now I don't think *either* of them is scum. ##Unvote

Can I ask what about that response changed your mind? On either of us lol.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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wins32767 posted:

The underlying assumption here is that you're conflating good town play with someone's alignment. I can easily imagine someone excited about some sort of flavor based element to their role and starting to ask about it as town. As scum, most people are cagey.


Handwaving this as excitement when it seems like HCT has a serious point doesn't sit well with me. The argument is, if you're hiding your flavor you're more likely to be scum. It seems like you agree with the sentiment on some level, is that right?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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wins32767 posted:

No, I don't agree but I don't think it has an impact on his alignment.

Okay, I understand you're saying that suboptimal play does not mean scrum play.

However,

Would you agree that HCT is representing their argument in an honest way, or would you agree that they are trying to have their cake and eat it too?

I understand I'm drilling hard on this but it's day one and I feel the need to kick us forward. I really feel good about a HCT vote today.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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shwinnebego posted:

When HCT flips scum we should dunk somber next, this is hard defense of a scumbo hoping we figure it’s too scummy to be scum

Which scum am I defending here? wins??

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Somberbrero posted:

Which scum am I defending here? wins??

This is non-rhetorical in case that didn't come across. I legit don't get it.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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T-t-triple post but lol the deadline is in less than eight hours

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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wins32767 posted:

I don't think that these posts are scummy:



I've pretty much written the rest of it off as a slapfight.

That's not an answer to a question I asked. I'm confused by how you've chosen to respond. I'm on mobile so I'm not going to take ten minutes on my lunch break to build a well formatted quote tree, but I'm talking about HCT's responses rather than the opening posts you're referencing.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Hyper Crab Tank posted:

Yeah that's literally everyone, great work, detective.

Not to pile on but the vibes are off here.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Sandwolf posted:

I don’t feel the same conviction as last time but I am still getting scumpings from you

Agreed.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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If you all want to call it a slapfight then fine, but I feel that I have made a genuine point in that Hypercrabtank was both very dismissive of their flavor hunting, while acknowledging they view it as an important game factor. trying to call out anyone who was 'afraid ' to air their flavor day one does not read like genuine town motivated scum hunting to me.

My perceived discrepancy between these points indicates an inconsistent narrative, which is motivating my vote. If you disagree that's that, but I want some level of acknowledgement regarding the core thought process here from those who are dismissive.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Also sorry if I sound like a dick, I've just been struggling to communicate in mafia so I'm trying to be exact in my phrasing.

Hyper Crab Tank posted:

Then I get jumped. Here's the thing: I don't think a town player should be all that concerned about shutting down flavortalk. I think a town player that believes I'm fishing for flavor is just going to be quiet about it. I think having a strong reaction to it means you have something to hide. Do you see my logic here?

Appreciate the detailed response. Questions:

1. Why do you think town should ignore flavor fishing?

2. As a member of the town, why are you interested in flavor if you don't think town should be interested in flavor arguments? Your role sounds different from mine in a way that seems strange.

3. You think scum should be defensive of their flavor. Why? If the game is breakable in that regard we could easily pursue this. I'm not sure I understand why you think that and I'd like to.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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I would vote tm today as well

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Hct sounds reasonable enough but a significant part of me is anxious that we had scum on the hook and they have talked their way out of it. This Schwinn vote came together so quickly and I don't understand the rationale, feels bad man.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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##vote wins32767

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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OMGVBFLOL posted:

this seems like it'd be a counterproductive argument for scum to make, because he's right, it'd be great for them to shuffle off two townies d1. if that'd happened and they got a nk they'd start d2 more than halfway to a win.

It's obvious and had already been stated by wins a bit previously. At best it's value neutral.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Deadmeat5150 posted:

Nobody died, so I'm suspecting a poisoner. Which is very thematic.

Weird thing to say. Why a poisoner and not just a doc block or BP?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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I have a high degree of confidence on this.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Wins is not wrong, but I am sincere in anticipating a scum flip from him.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Hyper Crab Tank posted:

Right, you don't have to say exactly what it is or anything, but this isn't just based on reads, right?

Correct. It's not definitive but I'm reasonably sure.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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OMGVBFLOL posted:

you willing to be next if you're wrong?

no?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Johnny Keats posted:

He might be scum.

I want to frame this post.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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I just want to say I'm personally voting wins 60% based on content/reaction and 40% based on role context.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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I'm guessing scum don't have good options here other than gin up a new case, which is hard when no one is talking. Or this is useful for them and they're just v0v

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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I have no idea what's going on at this point, but I am certainly interested.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Tired Moritz posted:

I guess they misconverted? No NK tho?

That would make no sense either because they would know wins is their target.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Hyper Crab Tank posted:

Wait, what? That flip makes no sense. wins already flipped the role Hal was looking for, so why in the world would he be trying to convert anyone? That just seems unlikely to the point that it can be dismissed out of hand. So that means he wasn't killed by his own ability, he must've been killed by someone else. Okay - 11 players seems too small for a 3P but I guess it's not impossible, or we have a town vig. But then what happened to the scum NK? Hal's flip has a really weird line in it:

So there has to be at least one other player out there who can or this is the saddest scum team in the universe.

Somber, meanwhile, you have some explaining to do. Preferably right now. I'm going to ##vote Somber on principle until an explanation manifests.

I dunno about that, I'm confirmedish town by wins.

Feels like scum are probably just lurking along if I had to guess.

I would offer up more info, but it still doesn't make any sense so I'm not sure it would be very helpful.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Hyper Crab Tank posted:

Actually the more I think about it, the more this seems like evidence for some kind of redirection-type power in play. One way to explain what happened is that scum wanted to NK someone else, but it got redirected to Hal somehow. In that case we can't trust wins's bodyguard either.

Okay, actually that seems more plausible than my working theory and would explain why I thought wins was lying.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Hyper Crab Tank posted:


Did you think wins was lying before?

I more or less had confirmation that wins did not visit me that night he said he did.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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b-minus1 posted:

Somber definitely made it seem like he had a result on wins.

Not my fault you interpreted it that way.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Hyper Crab Tank posted:

I also really would like Somber to pop in here and explain what the wins vote was all about, because there is something fishy there too. My assumption was that Somber roleblocked wins or something and thereby prevented the kill, but that doesn't seem to be the case. And nobody else has piped up with anything similar, either. So I'd really like Somber to clarify what's going on there.

If you think I'm scum then you'll have to vote me, but claiming would remove any utility I have. I don't see why I would be comfortable pushing the wins vote as scum but I can understand obviously why it's confusing. Because I'm confused.

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Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Hyper Crab Tank posted:

Do you have a thing where if you tell us what your role is you will be modkilled too? What's your opinion on... waves vaguely in the direction of Keats

If I did have that condition I couldn't say, right?

I don't think Keats is a great vote, no.

I'm assuming scum are just chilling and keeping quiet right now. Omg has been lurky and their weird comment yesterday about me being next tomorrow if I was wrong sounds like scum that knew wins was town.

##vote omgvbflol

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