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I have been coerced to join this as well, and the OP was read. If there was a code word in there I missed it though.
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All right now that I have to look at this thread, hi everyone. Welcome. Now let's all be good, truth-telling townies today and we'll all have a lovely time here at, what's this placed called, Stepford? I haven't actually watched the movie.Johnny Keats posted:So hey, what is this poo poo about being able to vote players out at night? I'm sorry what? Also, could I trouble you for your name, sir and/or madam?
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May 11, 2023 07:17
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Tired Moritz posted:who is scum? im expecting people to carry me because I have a word count limit (literally) Are you claiming a post restriction now? What's your name, sir?
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May 11, 2023 08:27
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Johnny Keats posted:My role hints at the existence of votes happening during night phase, which is bizarre. It does not *give* me the ability to do so, it just implies the existence of such in a one-off clarification. Hmm. I'm guessing it's not something we all get to vote on or we would've been told. But e.g. masonries that get to vote to use a power at night isn't unheard of. Also I really need your name for the register here, please.
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May 11, 2023 08:29
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Hmm. You seem oddly resistant. But no particular reason why you in particular.
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May 11, 2023 08:45
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Interesting. Y'all are reading way too much into some jokephase breadcrumbs. Really makes me wonder what about your flavor is so incriminating you react so strongly to being asked what your name is.
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May 11, 2023 15:54
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It seems a bit narrow to be just a "in case this remote thing happens" thing, but it does make me think there might be some voting mechanic Sucrose hasn't told us about (presumably tied to someone's power)? For what it's worth nothing in my PM mentions voting or voting-related powers at all.
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May 11, 2023 16:32
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I don't see why he would put that in just to gently caress with you, though. That seems a bit... pointless.
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May 11, 2023 16:34
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Somberbrero posted:What's the town rationale for that behavior? It's an immediate, self-serving distraction. What's the scum rationale for that behavior? Again, y'all are really reading too much into a bit of jokephase fun. But if we're talking about it, the flavor component of this game is a bit of a question mark to me right now, honestly. Clearly, flavor is important. In what way, though? Is it the case that if we knew everyone's flavor, the villains would stick out like a sore thumb? It's as possible as anything. Frankly I don't know much about the flavor anyway, I haven't seen the movie and don't know any more about it than that's on wikipedia. But if you ask me, my guess is that the people who are most interested in hiding their flavor are scum, and that makes me suspicious of the people who react violently to the mere suggestion that they share their name in the thread.
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May 12, 2023 07:28
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Fellas, this is dumb. Go back and check the timeline here. I post a couple jokephase posts about asking people their names - that is a breadcrumb, by the way, which I said it was. But I don't know poo poo about this setup. This, however:Somberbrero posted:it's both a joke and also important? Stinks. Somber is trying to turn a jokephase vote into a real deal out of basically nothing. I am not suggesting any sort of flavor claims. Hell, I don't give a poo poo what your flavor is. What I do think is wacky is that people are so incredibly defensive about their flavor. That suggests to me that flavor is significant, and that the people who are getting defensive know it's significant, because they are scum and know their flavor is scummy as poo poo. And the way I see it Somber is leading the charge there, so let's just clear that out of the way and ##vote Somber. Now, if you think my argument is dumb, fine, I can live with that; but Somber seems to be scared shitless at the mere idea of flavor claims. Care to explain why that is? We still have plenty of time to work this out.
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May 12, 2023 17:38
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shwinnebego posted:When HCT flips scum we should dunk somber next, this is hard defense of a scumbo hoping we figure it’s too scummy to be scum This is also weird, gotta say. I do think Somber is scum but they for sure ain't defending me.
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May 12, 2023 17:40
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Johnny Keats posted:I think nobody who has posted more than 5 times is scum. How's that for scumhunting? Yeah that's literally everyone, great work, detective.
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May 12, 2023 17:50
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Binus, do you have any early opinions vis-a-vis people's alignments?
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May 12, 2023 17:50
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Hal Insandenza posted:Yeah… can’t even figure out who else shwinn could be referring to either wins..? But it's not like they were hard defending anyone either. Speaking of, Hal, what's your case on me here? You tend to lurk a lot as either town or scum, so come out of your shell for once and tell me what you think you've got.
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May 12, 2023 18:07
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Also, no matter what you think, we have plenty of hours to go. If you're that set on misyeeting me then at least keep talking so that it actually means something. Right now we're just heading towards a day 2 where half the votes on me are totally non-committal and unexplained and it's not going to help with the scumhunting tomorrow.
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May 12, 2023 18:10
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wins32767 posted:##vote schwinnebego I find shwinn hard to read, so you're going to have to help me along on this one.
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May 12, 2023 18:13
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b-minus1 posted:Yeah I called hal townie Who's scum though?
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May 12, 2023 18:17
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Hmm. I'm getting flashbacks to an earlier game where I got tunnelled real hard by Grandi for no reason D1. He was town. Maybe this is just a slapfight after all. In that case, scum are lurking and just hoping this'll slowly roll itself towards a misyeet with no further interference, especially so because of the plurality vote.
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May 12, 2023 18:24
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Sandwolf posted:I don’t feel the same conviction as last time but I am still getting scumpings from you Recent events have taught me that town binus prods more and posts scumtells more handily than towntells, so maybe you're on to something.
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May 12, 2023 18:26
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Sandwolf posted:When was the last time you *were* scum HCT? (This isn’t a gamblers fallacy thing) Songs mafia, I think. Doesn't stop people from calling everything I say scummy though. It wears a bit thin. But right now mostly I'm just concerned that scum are just sitting back now, refusing to post, and not posting any reads so that they can brush off my misyeet tomorrow as "oh well just D1 lol". You know, at least Somber has some semblance of logic even though it's wrong. Maybe they aren't scum. ##unvote for now.
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May 12, 2023 18:28
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Somberbrero posted:If you all want to call it a slapfight then fine, but I feel that I have made a genuine point in that Hypercrabtank was both very dismissive of their flavor hunting, while acknowledging they view it as an important game factor. trying to call out anyone who was 'afraid ' to air their flavor day one does not read like genuine town motivated scum hunting to me. I'm going to assume for the sake of argument that you're town and not intentionally misreading me. Let's clarify the timeline, okay? I make an introductory post and ask for someone's name. I do this a couple more times. Let me say it for the third time: This is primarily a breadcrumb. Somewhat less effective now that I've had to say it, but I might get a chance to use it still. What your flavor is isn't that important to me. Then I get jumped. Here's the thing: I don't think a town player should be all that concerned about shutting down flavortalk. I think a town player that believes I'm fishing for flavor is just going to be quiet about it. I think having a strong reaction to it means you have something to hide. Do you see my logic here? Like, you don't have to agree with the logic. And maybe I'm wrong and your strong reaction is just... genuine suspicion. But do you at least understand why I think having such a strong reaction is indicative of someone who wants to completely shut down flavor arguments before they even begin?
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May 12, 2023 18:34
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shwinnebego posted:Trying to use those cruetacean logic wiles to trick me, I ain’t falling for it buddy! This is not an argument. If you think something is wrong, say what that is.
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May 12, 2023 19:00
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Somberbrero posted:1. Why do you think town should ignore flavor fishing? [...] 3. You think scum should be defensive of their flavor. Why? If the game is breakable in that regard we could easily pursue this. I'm not sure I understand why you think that and I'd like to. It's not that I think town should ignore flavor fishing, as that I expect someone with innocuous flavor to not react strongly to a flavor prod (though, again, I wasn't really doing that in the first place). This doesn't mean the game is flavor solvable as a whole, I have no clue whether it is (though Sucrose has labeled if "extremely flavor heavy" which probably means there's a higher-than-usual correspondence of scum players to scummy flavor). Anyway, flavor solvable or not, if someone is sitting there looking at a role PM with some innocuous role from the movie - whether they are actually scum or town - I would expect them to take such a prod in stride. Someone with an innocent flavor role has nothing to hide and just instinctively wouldn't react strongly. Who would react strongly? Someone with a scummy as gently caress flavor claim. So, whether or not you have a claim like that - when seeing an unusually strong reaction, my thought process immediately goes "okay, Somber must have a scummy flavor claim or they wouldn't react so strongly, that means they're more likely than baseline to be scum". Again, agree or not - that's beside the point. Is this really such an unreasonable line to think about? Somberbrero posted:2. As a member of the town, why are you interested in flavor if you don't think town should be interested in flavor arguments? Your role sounds different from mine in a way that seems strange. It's not that town shouldn't be interested in flavor arguments - I'm not sure whether we should or not, see above - it's that townies have less reason to be afraid of flavor arguments than scum. Probably. I can't be sure of that. But I do have to wonder why you think this has something to do with my role? That seems like an assumption - what do you know that I don't about the flavor of this game? My observations have to do with what I expect townies to react like in general.
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May 12, 2023 19:22
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Sandwolf posted:Defending Deadmeat and stuff but he usually is slow to start and gets a lot better as the game goes, so, he p much always gets a D1 pass from me but here he specifically seems a bit laidback Sorry, maybe I'm too tired, but I'm not sure if you're calling Deadmeat scum here or saying he isn't? Side note, I think all of this has just been a distraction and while I could see Somber as merely genuinely suspicious town, I do suspect that actual scum love opportunities like this to just sit back, let this poo poo coast its way to a misyeet and maybe drop some votes where necessary. So at the very least they're sitting in the wings chuckling, maybe posting some cursory contentless stuff to appear as if they're actively contributing when they're actually not. Would vote shwinn and maybe binus too to be honest, D1 curse be damned. Hunt some of your own too, people.
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May 12, 2023 19:47
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In fact let me just do this. The deadline is in the middle of the night for me so I'd rather put down a vote than leave it on the table. ##vote shwinn
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May 12, 2023 20:00
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Sandwolf posted:I’m saying I lightly read Deadmeat as town but pushing him D1 for not having much to say is like voting Hal for being on a plane. Okay, that makes sense. Who is scum though?
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May 12, 2023 20:09
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I think we're going to have some trouble voting Cube out of this game.
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May 12, 2023 20:16
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Sandwolf posted:But then you go on to say flavor is probably not that important, but definitely important. We've been over this, I'm not sure whether flavor can solve the game or anything - I expect it's more complicated than that - I just think insisting that we should refrain from having questions about flavor entirely is not a towny reaction. But either way, I think this is a distraction. Scum wants to run down the clock and have some rando misyeeted for basically any reason, and have plausible deniability tomorrow. Which reminds me, in case y'all didn't actually read the OP properly, we absolutely don't want to tie the vote because that can lead to multiple eliminations in a game that is already pretty small. As much as no yeet is a bad move D1, yeeting two people randomly is probably worse.
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May 12, 2023 20:48
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OMGVBFLOL posted:this seems like it'd be a counterproductive argument for scum to make, because he's right, it'd be great for them to shuffle off two townies d1. if that'd happened and they got a nk they'd start d2 more than halfway to a win. Even though I said it, I think it's a lot more NAI than that. If someone were to attempt to tie the vote deliberately people would be all over them the next day like poo poo on flies, it would be such an absolutely scummy thing to do. I admit it was more than a bit of self-preservation but also like, for a while there were a bunch of people at 2 votes a few hours before deadline and it would suck if that happened on accident because people were vote-shy. So, no death tonight. That's good, although I wish we had like... any more information to go on today. Sorry shwinn. Honestly I didn't expect there to even be vanillas in this game, but maybe he was the only one. Deadmeat5150 posted:Nobody died, so I'm suspecting a poisoner. Which is very thematic. Why is a poisoner thematic?
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May 14, 2023 08:09
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Sandwolf posted:I’d do wins or HCT today I know why you're suspicious of me but what is the case on wins please? This isn't me saying there isn't one, I just feel like I never really got it yesterday and I'm none the wiser today.
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May 14, 2023 08:10
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Somberbrero posted:I have a high degree of confidence on this. As in, that's why you're voting the way you are? Well I guess I'd like to hear what wins has to say first.
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May 14, 2023 08:34
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b-minus1 posted:He’s probably not going to say anything Speaking of, how are you so confident Somber's read is correct? I mean I get what's being put down here, you just seemed quick to agree with them. Also, I'm sorry to have to bring this up again, but if you could share your name that would really go a long way towards solving this little puzzle we've got here. I'm sorry if that makes you suspicious of me again but I literally have to ask.
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Okay, I guess while we wait for whatever else is going on I might as well get ahead of this. My role requires me to ask people their names. That's it. I don't care about anyone's flavor mechanically speaking beyond that, at least as far as my role is concerned, it's literally something I have to do in order for my role to do anything. Might as well speculate about flavor when I'm talking about it though. Shwinn was town, and looking at his role, I don't think that's a particularly major role in the movie. Whoever it was that claimed the robot dog seems like the same thing? I know for a fact that my role is an extremely minor character, because Sucrose had to explain it to me since I hadn't seen the movie and the youtube clip he sent me didn't work due to copyright poo poo. I don't know if this means minor roles from the movie are town and major ones aren't - that seems too easy, honestly. I don't think Sucrose would've designed the game that way.
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May 14, 2023 12:28
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b-minus1 posted:Wins’ lack of reaction to being voted is textbook scum behavior. Just waiting it out hoping that another wagon will take off (it did) Hmm. I will go back and read a little more closely, but this seems reasonable.
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Got anything to say about what Somber is saying about you?
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b-minus1 posted:Wins’ lack of reaction to being voted is textbook scum behavior. I feel like this is accurately summing up my feelings on wins right now. ##vote wins until you can come up with something better to say than that.
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May 14, 2023 19:12
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Somberbrero posted:Wins is not wrong, but I am sincere in anticipating a scum flip from him. Right, you don't have to say exactly what it is or anything, but this isn't just based on reads, right?
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May 14, 2023 19:42
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I'm willing to wait and see what tomorrow brings before we talk about whether to yeet Somber or not. But if wins doesn't flip scum, Somber has some tough questions to answer. What might hold me back is that in a game this size, I don't expect there to be a lot of scum so that would be a super risky gambit to just throw out D2.
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May 14, 2023 20:22
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Johnny Keats posted:Let's kill Somber instead actually ##Vote Somber You're going to have to explain that one in more detail, chief.
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The logic checks out, though. If wins flips town then we can trust that this is correct:wins32767 posted:Eh, the issue is that I've been trying to figure out how to breadcrumb and failing at it. I have a pretty strange role where if I visit someone at night to do my role, I die if they're scum. I didn't die visiting Somb therefore he's not scum. It doesn't really matter what Somber's role is in that situation.
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