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I hate to be that person but... Disney always has those signs up whenever they're doing any sort of filming. New parades, new firework shows, new commercials for new merch lines, movie releases, etc. They have for like 20 years. Technically in the policy you agree to when buying park tickets you agree to be filmed, but they put large signs up to indicate days where you're more likely to be filmed in case you didn't read that.
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Yeah, that's really basic "look we're shooting promotional materials in this public place today, you might be in the background, loving deal with it okay, we don't want any bullshit from rando lawyers" language. Disney is still the villains, AMPTP can go gently caress itself to death, but... not for wanting to have cameras pointed at a silly red carpet with Minnie and Mickey on it.
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It goes like this: Root for Disney against Ron DeSantis and the Republican party. Root against Disney in pretty much any other circumstance. TrixRabbi posted:Yeah, they would love to crush the unions forever, but do they actually have the cards to do that?
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Shrecknet posted:the bread & butter of streaming services, endless True Crime Documentaries, are not on the table, that content is under struck contract. "Reality Shows" would mean pure absolute garbage like Bachelor and such, which is not what moves the needle. And as noted upthread, the actual personalities that would get eyeballs on a reality show (LeBron James, Kim Kardashian) are in SAG now, so you'd be forced to put nobodies on TV The reality show, Alone has no host and the contestants film themselves throughout the series. I hope we're all ready for all shows to start working that way.
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If the two sides are this far apart, it feels like this strike might go a while. https://twitter.com/SentaMMoses/status/1681127057701617664 And the pictures for those who don't want to go to Twitter:          
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So basically they're doing what every single dogshit industry does if unregulated - they hide all the numbers and make up whatever story they want, and any attempt to see what's actually going on (because that's what a lot of these demands would require - actually giving up metrics for streaming) is stonewalled. Really wish our dogshit government populated entirely by olds whose conception of the world froze in 1978 would do something about this. Alas.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Really wish our dogshit government populated entirely by olds whose conception of the world froze in 1978 would do something about this. Alas.
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Every single local in the IATSE has been fighting for 12 hours on and 12 hours off since the goddamn 80's, and the leadership won't back it. So yeah, workers rights are laughable to anyone making money off said labor It's cool the public gets hip to this poo poo at least, hopefully no one caves e: a great doc/info site about that particular sticking point- http://12on12off.weebly.com/
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zer0spunk posted:Every single local in the IATSE has been fighting for 12 hours on and 12 hours off since the goddamn 80's, and the leadership won't back it. So yeah, workers rights are laughable to anyone making money off said labor To add, the doc Who Needs Sleep? is right here: https://vimeo.com/63127085
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VoodooXT posted:To add, the doc Who Needs Sleep? is right here: https://vimeo.com/63127085 Though if you can afford to, rent it through here instead (no judgement if you can't) https://vimeo.com/ondemand/whoneedssleep
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And PAs often have it the worst of the worst. A 14 hour shift as a PA is not uncommon at all. 16 hour shifts are less common but not a rarity. It gets to a point when you finally get a 12 hour day that it feels fuckin breezy. It's also killer since work days shift as the week goes on. A common work week on a film/show will look something like this: Monday - 5am start time. 7pm wrap. Tuesday - 7am start time. 9pm wrap. Wednesday - 9am start. 11pm wrap. Thursday - Noon start. 2am wrap. Friday - 5pm start. 6am wrap. Over the last year, I switched out of production and work adjacently in post-production now and my job actually has incredibly good hours. Sure there is the occasionally long day when we're working on a big project, but for the most part, I'm coming into work at around 9 or 9:30 and am out the door by 6pm. It has dramatically improved my mental health and goddamn does it feel like the work days fly by. It's infuriating too because film sets used to be 8 hour days... back in like the 50s/60s. By the 80s and 90s, they transitioned to closer to 10 hour days. The rise of digital hosed everything up and now we've got 12-16 hour days. Because there's nothing stopping you from filming more. When I worked on American Born Chinese last year, the Fox studio lot has a hard 14 hour limit on productions. But the secret is... that's just based off general crew call. People like PAs often show up an hour+ before crew call. So that's fun. TLDR - the film industry is tremendously hosed.
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That would also explain the fall in film quality. People are too tired to care (I don't expect people who have been there 10+ hours for a week to put their best into a film at that point. they're fried)
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:That would also explain the fall in film quality. People are too tired to care (I don't expect people who have been there 10+ hours for a week to put their best into a film at that point. they're fried) Half way through every work day people are just generally going through the motions. And it gets worse by the end of every week. And this doesn't even take into account various location difficulties. When I was driving to the Fox lot, it was roughly a 30-45 minute commute each way. But occasionally we'd be at the random location an hour away. If it's more than an hour away, it's probably going to involve travel/hotels/per diem, so you won't often get that outside of films. Shows will do everything in their power to stay within the Los Angeles area (or wherever else they're headquartered). With American Born Chinese, when days ran too long, they'd offer to reimburse for uber costs for crew since they've been working so long that driving would be unsave. But the fact that it gets to the point where they feel the need to do that is tremendously hosed up. imho - no crew members union or not, should be required to be on set for more than 10 hours. Because with travel time, that's still a 12 hour day.
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Thank you very much for the insight, Mordiceius.
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Mordiceius posted:
im a no budget non union filmmaker guy and I stand by this. last short i did we were pushing 11 hours, and it was getting late. we had more stuff to do and I just called it. Rescheduled. It's fun to do but if no one is getting paid no reason to hold people hostage. I know some fellow filmmakers who'll go until it's done. And I get that...but woof.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:That would also explain the fall in film quality. People are too tired to care (I don't expect people who have been there 10+ hours for a week to put their best into a film at that point. they're fried) I have always maintained that no one is doing anything worth a drat at hour 18 except becoming a liability, and you have to be a complete fucktard rear end in a top hat to fail at scheduling to even get to that point. The insane overtime should be a deterrent not a workaround for that, but, america.
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This was a good read when it originally did the rounds re: hours https://www.vulture.com/2012/05/how-long-are-the-days-on-a-movie-set-polone.html
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zer0spunk posted:I have always maintained that no one is doing anything worth a drat at hour 18 except becoming a liability, and you have to be a complete fucktard rear end in a top hat to fail at scheduling to even get to that point. There are a ton of people who loving leap at the opportunity as well - due to the low base pay rates. Your average PA is making $15-18 an hour. This is for hours 1-8. Hours 9-12 are 1.5x and hours 12+ are 2x pay. Usually this ends up being roughly $250/day. So $1000 a week after taxes isn't nothing. And this is for the lowest people on set. But then when you consider you can go weeks unemployed between shows/films, that money goes quickly. There are some people who will just go show to show to show and bank up the money, but their life outside of work will suffer greatly. If you look up any film worker memes, 90% of them will be about how if you're working in the film industry you have to be okay with abandoning any hopes of a social/romantic life or having hobbies.
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Some of those rejections are purely "No, gently caress you." Like Casting & Self-Taped Auditions, clause 6: "Anything I should know about the role in advance?" "Trade secret. Just read the lines." [The role is for a musical action-comedy about Rastafarians on the Moon in the year 3000 where all the performers have to wear stilts, directed by Tommy Wiseau]
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Same property but on a different street https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1681422349449543680
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They knew they'd get fined, it's well worth the cost.
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Here's a link I hadn't considered but seems obvious in hindsight:Studios Are Terrified That the Strikes Will Reveal the Truth About Streaming posted:The lack of transparency over viewership numbers is a major sticking point for both unions, and the studios won’t budge one inch. How can they? To do so will expose their entire system. https://www.pajiba.com/film_reviews/studios-are-terrified-that-the-strikes-will-reveal-the-truth-about-streaming.php
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That’s probably an overstatement. Most of the studios already break out their streaming revenue. Low viewership wouldn’t be a major revelation. Warner Bros Discovery actually reported pretty healthy streaming revenue this year so I’m not even sure the viewership data would pan out that way.
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All the streaming services report overall on their profits but that doesn't mean they can be trusted. See Bob Chapek and how he explicitly was lying about the Disney+ numbers and losing money hands over fist with the streaming service. It wouldn't be surprising if someone like Zaslav also is cooking their books and lying about their profitability. There's definitely a reason every streaming service refuses to have their streaming numbers go public or even to shareholders. There's some fuckery at some level of this stuff that they're desperately hiding.
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I would fully believe that all of the studios are terrified about anyone taking a deeper look at the streaming services as the greater public would see the entire thing is a house of cards.
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Of course they're trying to screw everyone over using deceptive accounting practices, they're so infamous for it we named the process Hollywood Accounting
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https://twitter.com/ZwiezenZ/status/1681420251274129413 They will never open the books, but the problem is they also dont want to pay a premium to not open the books. They want to keep the books closed and also use that as an excuse to not pay the workers.
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https://twitter.com/carolinerenard_/status/1679883983717535744?s=46&t=SEb-Lj78yZURgh7PjgaDXg re: Zaslav- dude is going all in (no pun intended) on All Elite Wrestling and expecting them to put out minimum 6 hours a week of content across 3 shows. Wrestling is cheap as hell, weekly, and pulls a consistent audience. anything they can do to keep sports or reality poo poo going is gonna be overtaking pretty much everything else on the market if those vampires have their way. https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1681563668339720193?s=46&t=WZMsIq1hmzOJouU9l425Vg also, TREE LAW gently caress I’m so excited the escape goat fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Jul 19, 2023 |
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Grendels Dad posted:Your post says AEW but the article you quote says WWE? AEW is being pushed by WBD, who’s CEO is Zaslav, to extend a current show by an hour and started a new one a month ago. I saw that second tweet and linked it because it’s all just so messy and lovely. WWE is it’s own can of worms re: unionization, but Rollins’ point is backing up how execs are looking at things.
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the escape goat posted:https://twitter.com/carolinerenard_/status/1679883983717535744?s=46&t=SEb-Lj78yZURgh7PjgaDXg I like the assumption here that if there aren’t any scripted shows and movies anymore a bunch more people will just immediately start liking wrestling
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the escape goat posted:AEW is being pushed by WBD, who’s CEO is Zaslav, to extend a current show by an hour and started a new one a month ago. Thanks for clarifying. And drat, now I kinda wish AEW would do a They Live and let all their wrestlers star in some movies so they can strike too.
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