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Beyond's greatest sin is the last act. We didn't need yet another fist fight in a high place between the captain and the villain. Find a new goddamn ending that hasn't been done in over half the trek movies.
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In general Beyond had good bones and was by far the best of the three but I'll still admit there's a lot of little stuff that needed refinement, especially regarding the presentation of the villain. It's known the script was extremely rushed (I think it went from nothing to filming script in a few months) and the lack of time to rewrite and refine and clean up can show.
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Apr 10, 2025 17:35
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MikeJF posted:In general Beyond had good bones and was by far the best of the three but I'll still admit there's a lot of little stuff that needed refinement, especially regarding the presentation of the villain. It's known the script was extremely rushed (I think it went from nothing to filming script in a few months) and the lack of time to rewrite and refine and clean up can show. Beyond has its flaws, but what it really has going for it is Into Darkness being such a stinker right beside it that it makes it look like Mozart just by comparison 
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Apr 10, 2025 17:38
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bull3964 posted:Beyond's greatest sin is the last act. We didn't need yet another fist fight in a high place between the captain and the villain. Find a new goddamn ending that hasn't been done in over half the trek movies. 100%, I’m also enough of a fuddy-duddy I also hated the “blast Beastie Boys to overcome the robot swarm” or whatever all that was, but whatever, my desperately clinging to Star Trek’s reliance on original or rights free music is a pretty minor nit to pick at
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Apr 10, 2025 17:46
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I don't mind Star Trek using more modern music but I thought the Beastie Boys song was cheesy and dumb. It's the only thing I remember not particularly liking in Beyond.
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Apr 10, 2025 17:47
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Waffleman_ posted:I'm not gonna complain about more Pegg. Right up until Hot Fuzz, sure. Once JJ Abrams got involved and Pegg lost a lot of weight he stopped being charming and now just turns me off in basically everything he’s done since.
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Apr 10, 2025 17:56
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Nick Frost is the only one of the cornetto guys who didn't have his soul drained by Hollywood imo
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No Dignity posted:Nick Frost is the only one of the cornetto guys who didn't have his soul drained by Hollywood imo Pending his casting as Hagrid in the Harry Potter TV show, anyway...
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Apr 10, 2025 18:08
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Nessus posted:I suppose one of the things Lower Decks makes explicit which was implicit in the 90s Treks is that being in Starfleet is actually very desirable and enjoyable even for the jackoffs and guys mucking out the biofilter in the holodeck. (OK, maybe not that part specifically.) While they maybe laid it on too thick, I also think that it's a useful creative/dramatic constraint -- "the characters are, by and large, happy to be here. People are not forced to be in Starfleet by destiny or conscription or whatever." In Voyager's "Good Shepherd" we see two Starfleet ensigns who aren't happy to be there (one got an easy ride through the Academy as a Bajoran diversity quota thingy, one was just trying to do literally a single year of field experience and ended up in the Delta Quadrant) and it's quite fascinating to see that basic idea overturned. Waffleman_ posted:I'm not gonna complain about more Pegg.  F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I don't mind Star Trek using more modern music but I thought the Beastie Boys song was cheesy and dumb. It's the only thing I remember not particularly liking in Beyond. Remember, it was going full circle to Kirk being arrested for joyriding in someone's car to Sabotage in the first movie.
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Apr 10, 2025 18:31
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Sabotage exists in Beyond purely to sell the Classical Music joke, one of the funniest zingers in the film. It could have been literally any 90s alt rock tune.
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Apr 10, 2025 18:33
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nine-gear crow posted:Sabotage exists in Beyond purely to sell the Classical Music joke, one of the funniest zingers in the film. It could have been literally any 90s alt rock tune. It could have been but Sabotage was perfect since it's got the resonance of being used in JJ Trek already, and they're literally doing sabotage to it.
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Apr 10, 2025 18:37
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They made a similar joke in Dr Who, the same series Pegg was on 
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Apr 10, 2025 18:37
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Half of sci fi has made that joke at some point
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The original Halo did the same joke in 2001. but funnier since it’s the meatheaded marines complaining about Sarge playing buttrock at them (“watch your mouth, son, this stuff is your history!”) Probably not the origin of the gag either, I would imagine it’s about as old as rock and roll. Beyond isn’t as aggressively lovely and contemptuous as the previous two movies, but it’s still pretty feeble
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Apr 10, 2025 19:23
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ORCH5.vc posted:One engineer? Don't forget the guy who disappeared for six years before being killed off a few episodes from the finale, or the guy who was sucking up to the Kazon for some reason, or the guy who turned up as a fossil, or the Vulcan sex pest, or the serial killer etc. etc. Okay, Belana and Kim solved a problem that hundreds of brain genius engineers have been totally unable to solve in ages and ages With fewer resources too! Here's a thing - it winds me up (and I know it shouldn't) reading the descriptions of the two parters when they say they wrote the second part just on vibes. I mind it a BIT LESS between series - like with BoBW - but not when it's slap bang in the middle of voyager series 4 and they've got a two parter where they just don't have an end.
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Rocks into replicators.
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"A Fishful of Dollars" 1999, still probably not the first. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C52MXbkhepQ
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Apr 10, 2025 19:32
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I mean they also did it because Sabotage rules and that “WOAHHHHH” in particular is nicely synched with the visuals
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Apr 10, 2025 19:43
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MikeJF posted:Half of sci fi has made that joke at some point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C52MXbkhepQ E: DAMNIT
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skasion posted:Probably not the origin of the gag either, I would imagine it’s about as old as rock and roll. There was a crummy FOX sci-fi show called Space: Above & Beyond where the space pilots stumble across a tape recorder; they turn it on, ask what it is, and someone says: "I believe it's by a musical act known as 'The Pink Floyd'". It's been about thirty years, so I may have the details wrong. Taear posted:Here's a thing - it winds me up (and I know it shouldn't) reading the descriptions of the two parters when they say they wrote the second part just on vibes. I mind it a BIT LESS between series - like with BoBW - but not when it's slap bang in the middle of voyager series 4 and they've got a two parter where they just don't have an end. Which one are you talking about?
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Beyond was could have totally built towards Krall/Edison rediscovering his humanity once he was confronted with the Yorktown and how Starfleet/humankind had progressed and then sacrificing himself to stop the super-weapon, but well. It didn't.
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nine-gear crow posted:to not at least give Beyond a watch is like getting up to the doorstep of the fireworks factory after having both hands blown off by fireworks and then turning around and going home. Fixed
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Apr 10, 2025 20:05
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Too much about Beyond rubs me the wrong way.
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MikeJF posted:In general Beyond had good bones Yeah, Karl Urban's great. 
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Beyond isn't without its flaws but it's easily the best of the Kelvin films IMO, probably because it wasn't slavishly devoted to hitting every classic story beat. ("Khaaannnn!!!")
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ORCH5.vc posted:There was a crummy FOX sci-fi show called Space: Above & Beyond where the space pilots stumble across a tape recorder; they turn it on, ask what it is, and someone says: "I believe it's by a musical act known as 'The Pink Floyd'". It's been about thirty years, so I may have the details wrong. Doctor Who had a gathered audience watching the Earth get destroyed by the sun in the year five billion watch her go to the sounds of a traditional ancient ballad uncovered by archeologists. (Britney Spears, Toxic) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Apr 10, 2025 |
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Arivia posted:Remember,  quote:it was going full circle to Kirk being arrested for joyriding in someone's car to Sabotage in the first movie. Forgot about that.
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ORCH5.vc posted:Which one are you talking about? Both Killing Game and Year Of Hell But it applies to Gambit too, and basically every two parter
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Arcane is just for kids Man this thread keeps delivering
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MikeJF posted:Doctor Who had a gathered audience watching the Earth get destroyed by the sun in the year five billion watch her go to the sounds of a traditional ancient ballad uncovered by archeologists. (Britney Spears, Toxic) And 'How did that old song go? Oh yes; burn, baby burn.'
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ORCH5.vc posted:There was a crummy FOX sci-fi show called Space: Above & Beyond where the space pilots stumble across a tape recorder; they turn it on, ask what it is, and someone says: "I believe it's by a musical act known as 'The Pink Floyd'". It's been about thirty years, so I may have the details wrong. That show was way better than people give it credit.
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Rubber Chicken posted:Arcane is just for kids It's a cartoon (which are only watched by children) about a video game (which are only played by children), so what else could it be?
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Spave: Above and Beyond was excellent. It was BSG but without the funding. Very 90s.
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Taear posted:Both Killing Game and Year Of Hell I remember absolutely hating the ending of The Search when I watched it as a teen. It kind of killed interest in DS9 for me for a long time. The runabout still being in orbit around the prison camp in By Inferno's Light was pulled right out of the writer's room's rear end.
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happyhippy posted:Spave: Above and Beyond was excellent. And just like BSG after the really expensive first episodes the incredibly talented group of space fighter pilots mostly walk around on the ground with guns because that's way cheaper.
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I think you may be misremembering BSG
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I think you may be misremembering BSG Yeah, neither version of BSG is light on space fighter action. It was the reason why the original series got axed, because it was that drat expensive in Late 70s money, and also a reason why the new series was constantly in danger of meeting the axe too. Unless you somehow watched a cut of BSG that consisted purely of all of Helo's scenes on Caprica in Season 1 and literally nothing else, I don't see how that's an accurate statement
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BSG1978 leaned really hard on the space combat footage produced for the initial BSG movie. I'm sure there was some additional exterior footage created for the series but my recollection is that just about every episode that had a space fight was using the same footage as 95% of the other space fights did. That said my understanding is that the producers had gone in thinking they were going to be doing a movie-of-the-week every other month or something like that, and then ABC got greedy and demanded a weekly series which completely hosed over their planning.
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nine-gear crow posted:If we're being completely real here, any Star Trek that's not TOS, The Motion Picture, or the first five seasons of TNG up to "Disaster" is fan fiction i don't give a gently caress what ol' gene said, his god drat name's on the title cards for TAS, ergo TAS is real fuckin' Star Trek (credit to D.C. Fontana for this logic)
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ORCH5.vc posted:I remember absolutely hating the ending of The Search when I watched it as a teen. It kind of killed interest in DS9 for me for a long time. I showed DS9 to some friends who loved Trek but had never seen that series and when we got to The Search the ending made them definitely refuse to watch any more DS9.
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