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I understand not having much faith in the reboot scriptwriters but I think they probably did get why a doctor would be called bones. they just wanted him to say the thing
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Did anybody other than Kirk address McCoy as "Bones"?
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:I understand not having much faith in the reboot scriptwriters but I think they probably did get why a doctor would be called bones. they just wanted him to say the thing One thing I wish sci-fi and sci-fantasy could stand to do is not have to explain everything all the time. We don't need to know why McCoy is called Bones or I dunno where Han is from, sometimes just let things be as they are. Unless you have a really good story for it that is.
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loving Hodor rear end writing
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Nothing wrong with a good explanation. It's making explanations into character moments where poo poo hits the fan, imo.
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Dec 12, 2025 22:27
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"Bones" could be easily about that he is actually a capable field doctor and can do on-site medical operation including amputations if necessary, not just a one that relies on technology to take care of everything. So exactly the kind of doctor you want on the explorative long-distance missions.
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Dec 12, 2025 22:32
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Or sawbones has been a military nickname for doctors for like 200 years already we really don't need to invent any reason more than that.
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Der Kyhe posted:"Bones" could be easily about that he is actually a capable field doctor and can do on-site medical operation including amputations if necessary, not just a one that relies on technology to take care of everything.
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Dec 12, 2025 22:39
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Small Strange Bird posted:It would have been great if amputation was his cure for everything. Sulu's console blows up in his face? Amputation. Kirk gets stabbed? Amputation. By the end of the five year mission everyone aboard looks like veterans from Starship Troopers. Then again, you get an engineer who leans into the reactor, and you need 1-2 days off to get your body re-unfucked.
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End of Shoelace posted:Sisko's father surely isn't dying from a curable heart condition out of a sense of hobbyism. See, this is where Trek really gets interesting! Everyone ITT is certainly familiar with this spiel: PICARD: A lot has changed in the past three hundred years. People are no longer obsessed with the accumulation of things. We've eliminated hunger, want, the need for possessions. We have grown out of our infancy. Many people hear the above claim and jump right to the assumption that Star Trek’s Federation is a communist utopia. After all, if you blur your eyes a bit, it almost-kinda looks like Marx’s definition of wealth - contrasting bourgeois wealth with wealth in general: MARX: The wealth of those societies in which the capitalist mode of production prevails, presents itself as an “immense accumulation of commodities”, its unit being a single commodity. MARX (again): When the limited bourgeois form is stripped away, what is wealth other than the universality of human needs, capacities, pleasures, productive forces etc., created through universal exchange? The full development of human mastery over the forces of nature, those of so-called nature as well as of humanity’s own nature? However! The more you actually examine what Picard is saying, the further from Marx we get. The above Picard quote is from the episode The Neutral Zone, and there is very important context to it: RALPH OFFENHOUSE (a time-traveller from the year 1994): You've got it all wrong. It's never been about possessions. It's about power. … To control your life, your destiny. PICARD: That kind of control is an illusion. […] Here's what I propose: you can't stay on the Enterprise, but I have arranged for us to rendezvous with the USS Charleston, bound for Earth. They will deliver you there. RALPH: Then what will happen to us? There's no trace of my money. My office is gone! How will I live? PICARD: This is the 24th century. Material needs no longer exist. […] The challenge, Mister Offenhouse, is to improve yourself. To enrich yourself. Enjoy it. So, like, think about that for a second: Ralph here was a rich-rear end white man in 1994. His material needs were, obviously, already well-met. He even managed to cure his heart disease by effectively buying a Time Machine! So, what is Picard talking about? Well, he’s rationalizing the dude’s powerlessness, effectively carting him off to some kind of ‘enrichment center’ or assisted living facility. Picard frames this as a choice, but what actual choice does this guy have? He’s hosed! You want to control your destiny? Well, tough luck! The Neutral Zone is obviously presenting a sort of basic moral fable: Ralph may be rich and confident, but he can lose everything in the blink of an eye. Control is an illusion… because maybe we are subordinate to some kind of Cosmic Plan??? (Picard is pretty clearly kinda relishing the guy’s ironic punishment.) Note that Picard doesn’t say anything about getting Ralph a new office, because that doesn’t appear to be an option. Ralph is patently losing things, losing what he once had. So the “don’t worry; all your material needs will be met” thing is really ominous. Go read a book, I guess. (Hey, remember that episode Return Of The Archons, and how Kirk was all saying that a life without freedom is effectively death?) Anyways, a variation on this spiel appears in First Contact (the movie): PICARD: The economics of the future are somewhat different. You see, money doesn't exist in the twenty-fourth century. […] The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity. So, in this version, we have more specificity: Picard blatantly contrasts “wealth” and “betterment”. So, like, he obviously implies some kind of abstract, spiritual betterment. “Do away with your belongings and join our spiritual brotherhood.” Again, this becomes clearer with the context that’s frequently omitted: LILY SLOANE (a black woman from the year 2063): It took me six months to scrounge up enough titanium just to build a four-metre cockpit. How much did this thing cost? PICARD: The economics of the future are somewhat different. You see, money doesn't exist in the twenty-fourth century. LILY: No money! That means you don't get paid. PICARD: The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives, blah blah, etc. Trek fans might instinctively side with the paternal-sounding Picard, but Lily’s cutting right through the bullshit here. She wants to be compensated for her labour, the hours she spent working. When she talks about the cost of the Enterprise, she’s pretty clearly talking about labour costs. So we literally have Picard telling a black woman that, “in the glorious future, we don’t pay the workers. But, like, don’t worry; we give them free food and shelter, and they’re all very happy.” Like, oh no. Oh no! So, like, who does have the power? SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Dec 13, 2025 |
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Can you two continue the media illiteracy suck n' gently caress in PMs or something
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Dabir posted:Can you two continue the media illiteracy suck n' gently caress in PMs or something I wouldn’t really call anyone illiterate ITT. It just seems difficult to accept that Kirk Trek has money and McCoy is a kinda-misogynist rear end in a top hat. Like, he’s also pretty racist against Vulcans. This ain’t news. (There are a couple jokes about not-using-money in the whale movie, but that one takes place roughly two decades after The Original Series.)
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Dec 13, 2025 00:47
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current Enterprise thought: the United Earth seal looks real goofy with only half a laurel on it
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i assumed the name bones was a sly way to let the viewer know that he has a skeleton
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Squizzle posted:i assumed the name bones was a sly way to let the viewer know that he has a skeleton That drat calcium rich hobgoblin!
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Dec 13, 2025 00:56
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the character, not deforest kelley
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nine-gear crow posted:That drat calcium rich hobgoblin! curse his rigid infrastructure
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I'll say this: there's no loving way anyone, in even the most complex and elevated fantasies, works 8 hours a day building a starship or mining ores for literally nothing. It's too unrealistic for any kind of story. Holodecks are a less fantastical idea. Nobody is enriched by drudgery.
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its like how spock is named to let the viewer know that his body is full of spock
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Squizzle posted:its like how spock is named to let the viewer know that his body is full of spock Hey, it works for Data!
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exactly, the name data lets you know that his body is full of spock
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Squizzle posted:exactly, the name data lets you know that his body is full of spock He is fully functional, after all.
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Picard saying "Tea, Earl Grey, hot" lets us know his body is full of hot Earl Grey tea
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Although I have no faith in season three TOS (or maybe even season one or two) doing it right, I kinda wish they had gone with the Bones' estranged daughter angle instead of whatever the hell Way To Eden was. It would have been interesting texture for his character, and it seems like they were trying to give Bones some pathos in the third season (thinking of his super space cancer diagnosis in For The World Is Hollow).
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End of Shoelace posted:Picard saying "Tea, Earl Grey, hot" lets us know his body is full of hot Earl Grey tea but who is hot earl?? in this essay,
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Squizzle posted:the character, not deforest kelley But DeForest Kelley DOES have bones, in contrast to Kellam de Forest, who had only cartilage.
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Powered Descent posted:But DeForest Kelley DOES have bones, in contrast to Kellam de Forest, who had only cartilage. That's why he's so smooth
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Squizzle posted:the character, not deforest kelley Well now we're missing DeForest for the Kelleys
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End of Shoelace posted:I'll say this: there's no loving way anyone, in even the most complex and elevated fantasies, works 8 hours a day building a starship or mining ores for literally nothing. People love those power washer simulators and stuff.
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End of Shoelace posted:I'll say this: there's no loving way anyone, in even the most complex and elevated fantasies, works 8 hours a day building a starship or mining ores for literally nothing. Unless the Federation is a theocracy. And, y’know, unless there’s no real choice to the contrary. But really, everything in the franchise supports the idea that people are (sometimes) paid and they just don’t use physical currency. Here’s Dr. Bev Crusher buying some cloth: CRUSHER: Send it to our starship when it arrives. Charge to Doctor Crusher. Pretty straightforward! These credit accounts are how they pay for things in Quark’s bar.
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It's always been obvious Star fleet officers get money in some form to use with locals when they visit places. Nobody said anyone works 8 hour shifts doing anything (starfleet officers onboard ship aside)
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Waffleman_ posted:Well now we're missing DeForest for the Kelleys Kelley is DeForest. Bones is DeVorced.
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Dec 13, 2025 02:09
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All the ladies call him Bones because he does two things well and the other is practice medicine
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would moopsy swallow (or slurp) leonard mccoy whole and entire
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Squizzle posted:would moopsy swallow (or slurp) leonard mccoy whole and entire She already did, but when did we start calling Dax "moopsy"?
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Squizzle posted:would moopsy swallow (or slurp) leonard mccoy whole and entire Who wouldn’t
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Gnome de plume posted:All the ladies call him Bones because he does two things well and the other is practice medicine Dax can attest to it, he has a surgeon's hands.
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thotsky posted:People love those power washer simulators and stuff. 
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Gnome de plume posted:All the ladies call him Bones because he does two things well and the other is practice medicine 
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