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wologar posted:I don't understand it myself, tbh. ![]()
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# ? Feb 11, 2025 08:11 |
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##unvote for a minute
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Tea Party Crasher posted:What do you mean by this? I don't get an exact number, just a binary SCUM or TOWN result. It would seem pointless for me to get a number anyway, seeing as I die if I worship with two scum Tea Party Crasher posted:Two things to report: saladscooper posted:Cloacamazing! has died. She was Rainbow Capitalism, SELF-aligned Executioner. Bifauxnen posted:One of the main reasons I haven't trusted you much is because you sound overpowered yourself! What would happen if you had targeted Cloa, who was not SCUM and not TOWN? I'm less happy about TPC today.
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CubicalSucrose posted:What would happen if you had targeted Cloa, who was not SCUM and not TOWN? No idea. The only two results I've gotten are the town and scum results
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CubicalSucrose posted:
Our faith can only be strengthened by being tested...
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Could somebody explain to me how we think the hot tub situation worked? Because as far as I can tell the only ways we can explain cube and Josef's results Is if there is a redirector, or one of them is lying. And it seems unlikely to me that one scum role could do all of that
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Tea Party Crasher posted:Because as far as I can tell the only ways we can explain cube and Josef's results Is if there is a redirector, or one of them is lying. That, or Wolo is an undetectable godfather's scum who can jail, redirect and kill All in the same night. Even more unlikely in my mind.
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It seems more likely to me that either: Cube is telling the truth about being blocked by wolo's shadow realm, and Josef is lying about having a redirected successful result Or Josef is telling the truth about getting a strange successful result, and was redirected by say either Cube or CPig (who I trust but we have to consider everything)
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Tea Party Crasher posted:Josef is telling the truth about getting a strange successful result, and was redirected by say either Cube or CPig (who I trust but we have to consider everything) Although that would require CPig to be an undetectable godfather mason who can redirect and kill in the same night. You all would know better about what the cap on power levels are though
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Tea Party Crasher posted:Could somebody explain to me how we think the hot tub situation worked? Because as far as I can tell the only ways we can explain cube and Josef's results Is if there is a redirector, or one of them is lying. And it seems unlikely to me that one scum role could do all of that When's deadline again? I wonder if I'll have time to spreadsheet claims. VF actually is showing no deadline. I suppose there's some chance there are still two scum left, though that seems unlikely. I keep wanting to think Bif is an arsonist but then remember Clo was elim'd D1.
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Votecount for Day 5![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() With 6 alive, it's 4 votes to execute. The current deadline is June 28th, 2023 at 6 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 day, 8 hours.
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I have an idea, but it is admittedly risky: what if we all turboed me for execution. Then we can flip me, and verify my role. That doesn't do much to clear things up on its own but I think the benefit would come during the night cycle. The way I see it: Wolo would have a 1/4 chance of either protecting a town, or jailing our scum and seeing their action command. And if they were to jail one of our innocent townies, they would be able to verify this innocence somewhat by seeing their command Scum wouldn't be able to safely target Wolo, because Bif would see that. Is this sound?
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Oh no, Wind is spreading.
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Lol
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I suppose what I said about our night mechanics remains true anyway even if it's not me we lunch. So it would make more sense just to stick with Josef then Cube as the plan
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Plus if someone tries to visit me in the night Bif will see that too
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Actually, now that I'm thinking about it...JosefStalinator posted:Again, if TPC is so useful to town and everyone believes them, not sure why everyone is so quick to ignore the whole "scan 2 scum and you die" bit. Josef was scanned alongside a confirmed scum (wind), meanwhile the only time Cube has been scanned there was likely only one mafia left. I haven't gotten any mod confirmation about whether or not worshiping with a godfather and a scum would kill me, but perhaps being "undetectable" just means if someone directly targets you you give back a TOWN result- and even if this were the case the truth of them being scum would supersede that and get me killed if I worshiped with both them and a scumbuddy. In light of this I would actually prefer our order to be Cube -> Josef methinks
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##vote Cube
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CPig's silence makes me... uneasy.
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wologar posted:CPig's silence makes me... uneasy. ![]()
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Although it is worth noting that CPig was also scanned along with Keats
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Going to try and spreadsheet this but if someone else is faster that'd be great.
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Tea Party Crasher posted:I have an idea, but it is admittedly risky: what if we all turboed me for execution. Then we can flip me, and verify my role. That doesn't do much to clear things up on its own but I think the benefit would come during the night cycle. The way I see it: Was there some scum agreement to all self-hammer/blow themselves up at some point? I would spreadsheet but I have a class shortly, should be around tonight to continue to untangle this. I'm a tiny bit pinged on TPC for the above posts and Cube's reasoning, but I don't know if I really want to vote them. Cube still seems to be the one we know least about. Tea Party Crasher posted:I'll ask Did you get NO response or were they just like "you don't know"?
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wologar posted:CPig's silence makes me... uneasy. What would the case on cpig even be, mechanically? They sell ice cream during the day, but at night are a redirector and can do a night kill? It may be worth mapping out the ice cream buyers each day to see if there's some pattern there about how redirection/hot tubs develop the following night... seems a bit overpowered to me if its true?
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JosefStalinator posted:Did you get NO response or were they just like "you don't know"? They haven't answered. And I'm assuming from the deadline announcement that they would have had the opportunity to answer, but that's just speculation
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Sorry, yesterday got busy and I was exhausted. So basically two things. Cube is pretty high on my list simply due to the fact that they were in wolo instead of wind for the wind vote. Their claim is also fairly easy as it's hard to actually trace. (Unless I missed someone verifying it, which is quite possible) Right now I'm fairly certain TPC is probably town, like sure bussing is one thing but that hard? On both wind AND keats? I could see Josef if there's a godfather type role and bif is the only one alive that hasn't been scanned by tpc yet iirc. I think i'd vote for Cube, then josef if it was coming down to it and we were gonna no vote.
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JS two things: 1) Can you claim your N3 action and you N1/N2/N3 results? 2) Can you ask the mod if your action would count as a visit?
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wologar posted:I dragged TPC to the shadow realm yesterday and got a result of ##worship! What did you do N3?
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Reading back, Keats gave ANarc a thing (early?), So definitely used the inventor on (something). This should help a bit.
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wologar posted:Ok. You seemed very convinced about this hot tub thing, why so sure?
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Bif I thought you could only Doujin every other night? You did Wol N1, JS N3, so how could you do TPC N4? Everyone has confirmed those things happened, so I'm just misrrading something I think.
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Keats' 5 token ability is interesting and plays well with scum being able to pair two players together. Wol <> Voodoo paired up N1/N2/N3 forced to target each other seems like what happened, assuming Voodoo told the truth each time. Wol breaking out last night is kinda weird, but let's assume that's true with Voodoo's death. Also, me and Bif both failing our actions on TPC are aligned with this. It's possible Voodoo also Jailed me last night, I don't think we can tell the difference between that and the Wol semijail. To be clear, my actions were: N1 Nothing N2 TPC (success) N3 TPC (success) N4 TPC (fail) JS claimed to visit TPC and RWC on N3 but Bif saw them visit Wol. JS claimed to visit Cube and TPC on N4 but shouldn't have been able to given Wol's semijail. JS's N3 is really weird? Was that just Bif catching a scum fakeclaim and Keats ending early? We explained the anon votes. Can someone map the killers? Keats making a thing and Hum's results should help us here.
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Tea Party Crasher posted:Could somebody explain to me how we think the hot tub situation worked? Because as far as I can tell the only ways we can explain cube and Josef's results Is if there is a redirector, or one of them is lying. And it seems unlikely to me that one scum role could do all of that Part of the reason N1 sounded so confusing was because of Keats' claim. He claimed to have bounced off me to ANarc. But now we know that was just his random poo poo. The only redirection we know about for sure is flipped town Voodoo, who said he kept ending up on wolo (I also observed him visiting wolo) despite choosing different targets. wolo has claimed to similarly end up on Voodoo despite choosing different targets, until last night when he successfully targeted TPC. We only have wolo's word for this. So one way it could work is if wolo was always really targeting Voodoo. But last night my watch on TPC did fail, so that suggests wolo's "Shadow Realm" claim is true and he did target TPC instead. IF this game allows scum to NK and also do a side action at the same time, wolo could have done that. But he sounds heaps more townie to me than either Josef or Cube even before that big if comes into play. CubicalSucrose posted:Bif I thought you could only Doujin every other night? You did Wol N1, JS N3, so how could you do TPC N4? Everyone has confirmed those things happened, so I'm just misrrading something I think. After I sell a doujin, I have to spend a night off making more. Josef snubbed me so I was good to try again on TPC the next night.
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CubicalSucrose posted:It's possible Voodoo also Jailed me last night, I don't think we can tell the difference between that and the Wol semijail. Voodoo still visited wolo last night. I believe this wasn't a redirection, but an attempt to see if targeting wolo on purpose this time gave him any different result. Just TPC and Voodoo visited wolo last night, Josef did not. I believe this is because Josef was too busy killing Voodoo to keep doing the "hot tub" thing on wolo. This could work if Josef's writing ability doesn't actually target two people to swap their fates, but to link their fates. Or it could be both with Josef telling a half-truth. And on thinking harder about it, it would make sense to have that resolve before wolo's jail blocked the ability to redirect Voodoo. Cause wolo wouldn't have been targeting Voodoo at first, unless the ability successfully resolved.
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K with that I'm all good with thinking through today ##vote Josef
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Bifauxnen posted:K with that I'm all good with thinking through today Assuming it's not JS for some reason (then it's probably CPig), I am planning on targeting Wolo so you should see my visit (probably...I imagine scum still have a Keats-generated roleblock). Unless there's a better way for us to set things up. This allows Wolo to WIFOM you and TPC to potentially block a kill. I haven't fully thought this part through though. ##vote JS
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Okay, so...if the game isn't over after JS is out: CPig does nothing. Bif does nothing active. I target Wolo. TPC targets (Bif, two others, not sure it matters? Maybe NOT Wol in case Wol dies.) Wolo targets (someone). Then Bif should get results of: (Cube visited Wolo) (Either no one, or maybe Wolo targets TPC)? Does that give us the most info depending on who is lying/NK'ing?
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It seems that Cube already answered the questions he'd asked me earlier. Nifty.
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wologar posted:It seems that Cube already answered the questions he'd asked me earlier. Nifty. Yeah I had to reread everyone like twice or something to get all my blanks filled in. ANarc said they got a thing N1 So Keats N1 has 3 tokens, now 1 so scum have a roleblock. N2 has 4 (unsure if used) N3 has 7 (unsure if used). Anybody else mention getting a surprise one-shot? And still need to map out NKs.
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# ? Feb 11, 2025 08:11 |
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CubicalSucrose posted:JS two things: 1) N1 - Keats and Wologar (successful) N2 - Wind and Wolo (success) N3 - TPC and RWC (success) N4 - Cube and TPC (success) My understanding was that my role counts as a visit, but I'll ask, because I guess I am technically just writing a book and not necessarily going to a place to do a physical action. It's also fairly certain that at least one of my night actions was redirected, given the tracking results and fact that I never got a non-successful result. CapitalistPig posted:Cube is pretty high on my list simply due to the fact that they were in wolo instead of wind for the wind vote. Their claim is also fairly easy as it's hard to actually trace. Obviously I know I'm town so I want to avoid wasting another day - again, the fact that TPC is still alive should clear me, but without the rules clarification, some room for ambiguity remains. I think of all the available options, I consider the following from most to least likely: 1. Cube has the most easily fake-able claim and has flown most under the radar in the various redirection/hot tub shenanigans, and has a few suspicious votes to boot. They're my first choice as sneaky scum here. 2. TPC could be lying about their role - this would require a pretty long-con busing of his teammates, but is theoretically possible. Also seems very Keats-ian based on what I've seen in their games. 3. Cpig is scum and has some night time power in addition to ice cream that includes redirection or something. I need to go map their ice cream selling to see if there's any connections. 4. Bif could be half-lying about their role - we know the doujin and tracking stuff is accurate, but there could be more going on with the doujin that create bad situations, redirections, or something else for town. 5. I don't think wologar is lying and I won't vote them barring some radical new info- if they're scum somehow, well played. ##vote Cube CubicalSucrose posted:Yeah I had to reread everyone like twice or something to get all my blanks filled in. Never got anything interesting at night beyond Bif's doujin sale.
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