older coworker has discovered the c++ keyword "auto"

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AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:43

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AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

greg my brother i am no longer going to review any code for you

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:44

Archduke Frantz Fanon: Sep 7, 2004

good for them

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:49

Deep Dish Fuckfest: Sep 6, 2006; Advanced
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we talking pre or post c++11 here?

# ? Jun 2, 2023 16:03

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

we talking pre or post c++11 here?

post, but regardless its going to make code so much harder to read lol

# ? Jun 2, 2023 16:11

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if that's anywhere near the hardest thing to figure out with whatever c++ codebase you're working with then consider yourself lucky

# ? Jun 2, 2023 16:14

FUCK SNEEP: Apr 21, 2007

auto is good because it lets me pretend c++ is a better language like python

# ? Jun 2, 2023 16:21

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

you auto use a better language

# ? Jun 2, 2023 16:27

Dijkstracula: Mar 18, 2003; You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!

when I worked at the fruitstand, my team�s style guide mandated �auto� for all declarations except �int�; using it for �bool� was optional

# ? Jun 2, 2023 16:33

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

if that's anywhere near the hardest thing to figure out with whatever c++ codebase you're working with then consider yourself lucky

oh there is tons of problems, just was riffing since this is going to make code even more unreadable lol

# ? Jun 2, 2023 16:40

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Captain Foo posted:

you auto use a better language

we have a much better devleoped and documented framework in java but there is exactly 1 team in europe somewhere that refuses to move and we still have to support it lol

# ? Jun 2, 2023 16:44

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

Why on earth would you not use implicit type declarations if your language supports them? At least in C# it makes code a lot more readable.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 16:50

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

# ? Jun 2, 2023 16:58

Dijkstracula: Mar 18, 2003; You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!

akadajet posted:

Why on earth would you not use implicit type declarations if your language supports them? At least in C# it makes code a lot more readable.

in general I agree, but the downside of type inference is that it puts a burden on compiler error messages to succinctly tell developers why and where inference has failed, and, well, C++ error reporting etc etc

# ? Jun 2, 2023 17:44

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Captain Foo posted:

you auto use a better language

# ? Jun 2, 2023 17:45

InternetOfTwinks: Apr 2, 2011; Coming out of my cage and I've been doing just bad

I find explicit type declarations more clear a lot of the time but really it depends on what the thing is doing imo.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 18:10

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

does auto make types like in js? coz I love having my
code feel like it has all the stability of a tomato plant without any sticks holding it up

# ? Jun 2, 2023 19:17

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

AnimeIsTrash posted:

we have a much better devleoped and documented framework in java but there is exactly 1 team in europe somewhere that refuses to move and we still have to support it lol

they're smarter than you apparently

# ? Jun 2, 2023 19:29

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

the maojrity of people on this planet are smartter than me OP

# ? Jun 2, 2023 19:57

matti: Mar 31, 2019

i dont belive that

# ? Jun 2, 2023 20:00

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

echinopsis posted:

does auto make types like in js? coz I love having my
code feel like it has all the stability of a tomato plant without any sticks holding it up

no. it just means the compiler infers the type based on context. javascript figures out types and poo poo at runtime

# ? Jun 2, 2023 20:01

Sweevo: Nov 8, 2007; i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

this is what happens when you have a generation of programmers raised on javascript and p-lang toy bullshit

# ? Jun 2, 2023 20:09

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echinopsis posted:

does auto make types like in js? coz I love having my
code feel like it has all the stability of a tomato plant without any sticks holding it up

no it doesn't and thank loving god for it. the compiler has to be able to figure out the type at compile time for it to work

we are, of course, talking about auto when used as placeholder for a local variable type here, because in true c++ fashion every keyword needs to have as many different meaning as possible in different context (though thankfully all of them still require the type to be deducible at compile time). we're not talking about auto used as, say, a function parameter type as is now allowed in c++20. possibly with concepts acting as constraints. or as part of decltype(auto) and its delightfully obvious meaning. or its effect of transforming a normal god-fearing r-value reference into a universal reference of loose morals when replacing a concrete type in a variable definition. or the type of firearm best suited to ending my suffering

# ? Jun 2, 2023 20:13

Best Bi Geek Squid: Mar 25, 2016

auto was also the bus driver in the Simpsons

# ? Jun 2, 2023 20:33

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

no it doesn't and thank loving god for it. the compiler has to be able to figure out the type at compile time for it to work

we are, of course, talking about auto when used as placeholder for a local variable type here, because in true c++ fashion every keyword needs to have as many different meaning as possible in different context (though thankfully all of them still require the type to be deducible at compile time). we're not talking about auto used as, say, a function parameter type as is now allowed in c++20. possibly with concepts acting as constraints. or as part of decltype(auto) and its delightfully obvious meaning. or its effect of transforming a normal god-fearing r-value reference into a universal reference of loose morals when replacing a concrete type in a variable definition. or the type of firearm best suited to ending my suffering

this post is a fuckfest

# ? Jun 2, 2023 21:19

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

Sweevo posted:

this is what happens when you have a generation of programmers raised on javascript and p-lang toy bullshit

# ? Jun 2, 2023 21:33

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

auto is just telling the reader to gently caress off because you don�t care if they understand the context

# ? Jun 2, 2023 21:34

Best Bi Geek Squid: Mar 25, 2016

declaring my variables like �auto fellatio = 0;�

# ? Jun 2, 2023 21:36

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echinopsis posted:

this post is a fuckfest

wish that were true for my actual life

# ? Jun 2, 2023 21:36

Glorgnole: Oct 23, 2012

auto's not a big deal IMO... whenever you create a variable you're always writing it out like

code:

auto some_butt = std::make_shared<const Butt>();

and the type's just right there on the same line

# ? Jun 2, 2023 21:59

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

sounds like a good way to reduce cognitive load imo

# ? Jun 2, 2023 22:32

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

echinopsis posted:

sounds like a good way to reduce cognitive load imo

yeah, especially when your libraries are built on the house of cards that is c++ templates.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 22:42

Lime: Jul 20, 2004

just mouse over the auto

# ? Jun 2, 2023 22:59

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

Glorgnole posted:

auto's not a big deal IMO... whenever you create a variable you're always writing it out like
code:
auto some_butt = std::make_shared<const Butt>();
and the type's just right there on the same line

the main reason to use auto is because

code:

 

auto some_butt = FrobuleCreatorFactoryDefecator();
// returns 
// ButtDB::intrusive_shared_ptr_reference<Frobule::Engine::ButtInstance<Poop, ButtTraits>>

returns a type that is too long to write.

# ? Jun 3, 2023 01:11

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

people bitch about java being too wordy but goddamn

# ? Jun 3, 2023 01:31

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

rotor posted:

people bitch about java being too wordy but goddamn

it's nested templates and namespaces all the way down

# ? Jun 3, 2023 01:35

Ciaphas: Nov 20, 2005; > BEWARE, COWARD

i refuse to learn about anything after c++98

# ? Jun 3, 2023 03:52

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akadajet posted:

yeah, especially when your libraries are built on the house of cards that is c++ templates.

it's not a house of cards! it's a conceptual blueprint that contains latent house-like structures which can potentially be built from cards!

or from reinforced concrete

or from drywall

# ? Jun 3, 2023 04:22

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

I looked at the Boost Graph Library once and it was like staring into the sun

# ? Jun 3, 2023 04:27

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 12:21

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

i was like "the loving thing is all header files, where is the code??"

# ? Jun 3, 2023 04:27

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