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JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.





Grimey Drawer
I'm down to ##vote punkreas

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Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011
Looks to be up to you Fool. Also if you want to look at who is possibly lying for their team's benefit, notice Maug and Plastic are literally voting different goals. Team naive is trying to pull it for themselves here.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Rhymes With Clue posted:

Also why could fool not be lying? What does telling the truth get you, when everybody is scum?

Feel free to eliminate me duder. I'm checked out of the game because it is impossible for me to win and I don't have a night action that matters.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
Oh boy I'm kingmaker let's kill

##vote punk

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
i'd have prefered to kill maug but oh well

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
:redhammer: Everyone stop posting, Punkreas just got hammered and the mod's probably AFK!

Votecount for Day 4

Punkreas (5): Maugrim, Illusionis, NeverHelm, JosefStalinator, fool of sound
Illusionis (4): Rhymes With Clue, Yami Fenrir, PlasticAutomaton, Punkreas
Maugrim (0): Punkreas, Yami Fenrir, Yami Fenrir, Punkreas

Not Voting (0):

With 9 alive, it's 5 votes to execute. There is currently no deadline set.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

quote:

"I'm a doctor, not a killer!" shouted Punkreas as the residents turned their attention toward the sharply-dressed, slightly cross-eyed, currently-human-form. But too many had seen Punkreas turn blue, show razor teeth, and demonstrate that they were a threat to anyone and everyone. Solution: remove the threat.
Punkreas, Dr. Jekyllstein Frankenhyde, Naive-Aligned INSANE (Mad?) Doctor has been elininated Day 4!

quote:

You can't make an omelet without cracking a few eggs or using egg-like-substitute, that's what you've always said. Through the powers of science, especially anatomy, you're pretty sure you've found a way to help people more effectively than those other, lesser doctors. Pretty sure.

At night, you may ##do-science to a player. The results you get will depend on your sanity.

Insane: You will kill your target.

You are a threat to every other alignment in the game.
You win when all threats to your alignment are eliminated.

Hope folks can get night actions in within about 18 hours or so, but will do a hard-ish deadline in ~24 hours.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

quote:

An uneventful evening passes.

Night 4 has ended. Day 5 begins!

Deadline at 4 PM Central Monday, about 50 hours from now.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
Ok so team normal time to give up your killing role player, cause i think everyone else should just chain-vote normal until their killer is eliminated.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

fool of sound posted:

Ok so team normal time to give up your killing role player, cause i think everyone else should just chain-vote normal until their killer is eliminated.

Agreed.

##vote Josef

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

fool of sound posted:

Ok so team normal time to give up your killing role player, cause i think everyone else should just chain-vote normal until their killer is eliminated.

Were you guys attacked then?

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
My team was not attacked.

I want to see if Illu absconds or has any more useful info for us after that Punkreas gold nugget.

I still don't know if Normal even have a killer, since the only evidence for it is Yami claiming to have lost his BP night 2. If I'm convinced they don't I'll be voting no execute

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
Or I guess I could vote Illu now since he can still supposedly win after we do so

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011
I'm pretty confident I'm absconding next night, I got 2 roles wrong way round, but otherwise I've solved the game

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
Getting the Normal killer out and then illu if he's still here sounds good to me.

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011

Yami Fenrir posted:

Getting the Normal killer out and then illu if he's still here sounds good to me.

Sounds like a plan

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
Votecount for Day 5



Not Voting (9): fool of sound, Illusionis, JosefStalinator, Maugrim, NeverHelm, PlasticAutomaton, Punkreas, Rhymes With Clue, Yami Fenrir

With 9 alive, it's 5 votes to execute. There is currently no deadline set.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
My vote didn't take?

##vote JosefStalinator

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Yami Fenrir posted:

Were you guys attacked then?

If im not dead then my team wasnt attacked. We just have killed the killing roles for the other teams.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
My assumption was that each team had a BP. That's why I'm asking.

NeverHelm
Aug 9, 2017

Never attribute to malice that post which is adequately explained by a poor sense of humor.
So it's come to this. Illu, I though we had some good times together. But I guess this was inevitable, and you dun goofed. You fell into our trap. We don't have a killer, for the record. Our "killer role" equivalent, with what we know of our sanities, is a "future Doc" which saves someone on the next night ("Trainee Bioterrorist"). That's all I'm going to say on this matter for reasons that will be obvious in a moment.

Turns out Illu is a killer after all - or that's what team Normal is assuming, despite his vehement denials in our masonry. Yes, really. Illu got to pick someone to have an unconfirmed masonry with on N0 (To help get a head start and find some allies as the loner, is what I assume is the game design reasoning). It was me. We in team Normal have essentially been on-and-off allies from the beginning (we cooperated by giving Illu a lot of info about our role assignments, and Illu also helped to corroborate some of our sanities), that's part of why I was so opposed to Zoya's plan D1. Things got a bit strained after that whole mess gained steam, and we decided to play along to not get dogpiled by the rest of you if Illu was dangerous. We were still a little unsure about trusting Illu at that point, especially when we had Voodoo check N1 and got "can kill". When Voodoo was confirmed to be Insane by Illu in the masonry we figured they could be somewhat trusted (we even did this whole thing where Josef publicly attempted to send a "coded message" telling Illu some stuff to "explain" why we made up), but no longer.

JosefStalinator posted:

Autoerotic asphyxiation
Of course, Illu is going to deny all this - I would be very surprised to see Illu actually admit it, since that's suicidal.

Our team's alignment seer got an impossible result looking at Illu last night (it seems Illu just gives completely random results from checks, which means Voodoo's is also useless) - and I lost my BP. I had told Illu that Hal had it, for the record.

I have no idea what Illu's actual plan is here - maybe force a five-way tie for some reason? But I'm not going to take this lying down. ##vote Illusionis

If you doubt all of this, know that I did breadcrumb it very early on right here:

NeverHelm posted:

I have a question for you, Zoya: How do you know someone won't just cover for the solo? What makes you so sure that nobody would back someone not part of their own team?
Salad gave me a good cover for it, thankfully - I was hoping to use that legitimate grievance to stop Zoya's plan and keep Illu hidden, but then things devolved and everyone got revealed anyway. :shrug:

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

NeverHelm posted:

So it's come to this. Illu, I though we had some good times together. But I guess this was inevitable, and you dun goofed. You fell into our trap. We don't have a killer, for the record. Our "killer role" equivalent, with what we know of our sanities, is a "future Doc" which saves someone on the next night ("Trainee Bioterrorist"). That's all I'm going to say on this matter for reasons that will be obvious in a moment.

Turns out Illu is a killer after all - or that's what team Normal is assuming, despite his vehement denials in our masonry. Yes, really. Illu got to pick someone to have an unconfirmed masonry with on N0 (To help get a head start and find some allies as the loner, is what I assume is the game design reasoning). It was me. We in team Normal have essentially been on-and-off allies from the beginning (we cooperated by giving Illu a lot of info about our role assignments, and Illu also helped to corroborate some of our sanities), that's part of why I was so opposed to Zoya's plan D1. Things got a bit strained after that whole mess gained steam, and we decided to play along to not get dogpiled by the rest of you if Illu was dangerous. We were still a little unsure about trusting Illu at that point, especially when we had Voodoo check N1 and got "can kill". When Voodoo was confirmed to be Insane by Illu in the masonry we figured they could be somewhat trusted (we even did this whole thing where Josef publicly attempted to send a "coded message" telling Illu some stuff to "explain" why we made up), but no longer.

Of course, Illu is going to deny all this - I would be very surprised to see Illu actually admit it, since that's suicidal.

Our team's alignment seer got an impossible result looking at Illu last night (it seems Illu just gives completely random results from checks, which means Voodoo's is also useless) - and I lost my BP. I had told Illu that Hal had it, for the record.

I have no idea what Illu's actual plan is here - maybe force a five-way tie for some reason? But I'm not going to take this lying down. ##vote Illusionis

If you doubt all of this, know that I did breadcrumb it very early on right here:

Salad gave me a good cover for it, thankfully - I was hoping to use that legitimate grievance to stop Zoya's plan and keep Illu hidden, but then things devolved and everyone got revealed anyway. :shrug:

What result did you get from Illu?

NeverHelm
Aug 9, 2017

Never attribute to malice that post which is adequately explained by a poor sense of humor.

Yami Fenrir posted:

What result did you get from Illu?
Assuming you mean last night's sanity check: Paranoid.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

NeverHelm posted:

Assuming you mean last night's sanity check: Paranoid.

Yeah, we got Insane on Illu last night.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
If you don't have a killer, what's the other role then?

NeverHelm
Aug 9, 2017

Never attribute to malice that post which is adequately explained by a poor sense of humor.

NeverHelm posted:

Our "killer role" equivalent, with what we know of our sanities, is a "future Doc" which saves someone on the next night ("Trainee Bioterrorist").
Here. Note that this did not come into play today, as far as we know.

NeverHelm
Aug 9, 2017

Never attribute to malice that post which is adequately explained by a poor sense of humor.
The Normal version of it was essentially a PGO, for the record.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

NeverHelm posted:

Here. Note that this did not come into play today, as far as we know.

The other other role.

Sorry if I'm having a brainfart but it's 1 am soooo

NeverHelm
Aug 9, 2017

Never attribute to malice that post which is adequately explained by a poor sense of humor.
The other two are dead (alignment cop and gunsmith) so it's just that and the sanity checker left.

NeverHelm
Aug 9, 2017

Never attribute to malice that post which is adequately explained by a poor sense of humor.
But yeah, it's getting late for me too and I'm going to bed now.

Rhymes With Clue
Nov 18, 2010

A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage
Okay I just assume everyone is lying. ##Vote Josef

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
That's a hell of a story but I was already kinda willing to do this today so ##vote Illu

There are still plenty enough people to turbo Josef tomorrow if his flip seems fine, and he's already claimed he can still win as a stump if he gets voted off, so let's just do it

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011

NeverHelm posted:

So it's come to this. Illu, I though we had some good times together. But I guess this was inevitable, and you dun goofed. You fell into our trap. We don't have a killer, for the record. Our "killer role" equivalent, with what we know of our sanities, is a "future Doc" which saves someone on the next night ("Trainee Bioterrorist"). That's all I'm going to say on this matter for reasons that will be obvious in a moment.

Turns out Illu is a killer after all - or that's what team Normal is assuming, despite his vehement denials in our masonry. Yes, really. Illu got to pick someone to have an unconfirmed masonry with on N0 (To help get a head start and find some allies as the loner, is what I assume is the game design reasoning). It was me. We in team Normal have essentially been on-and-off allies from the beginning (we cooperated by giving Illu a lot of info about our role assignments, and Illu also helped to corroborate some of our sanities), that's part of why I was so opposed to Zoya's plan D1. Things got a bit strained after that whole mess gained steam, and we decided to play along to not get dogpiled by the rest of you if Illu was dangerous. We were still a little unsure about trusting Illu at that point, especially when we had Voodoo check N1 and got "can kill". When Voodoo was confirmed to be Insane by Illu in the masonry we figured they could be somewhat trusted (we even did this whole thing where Josef publicly attempted to send a "coded message" telling Illu some stuff to "explain" why we made up), but no longer.

Of course, Illu is going to deny all this - I would be very surprised to see Illu actually admit it, since that's suicidal.

Our team's alignment seer got an impossible result looking at Illu last night (it seems Illu just gives completely random results from checks, which means Voodoo's is also useless) - and I lost my BP. I had told Illu that Hal had it, for the record.

I have no idea what Illu's actual plan is here - maybe force a five-way tie for some reason? But I'm not going to take this lying down. ##vote Illusionis

If you doubt all of this, know that I did breadcrumb it very early on right here:

Salad gave me a good cover for it, thankfully - I was hoping to use that legitimate grievance to stop Zoya's plan and keep Illu hidden, but then things devolved and everyone got revealed anyway. :shrug:

Hey it's a pretty good story buddy ##vote JosefStalinator

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Maugrim posted:

That's a hell of a story but I was already kinda willing to do this today so ##vote Illu

There are still plenty enough people to turbo Josef tomorrow if his flip seems fine, and he's already claimed he can still win as a stump if he gets voted off, so let's just do it

I don't buy Normal not having a killer so i'm voting there. Illu can wait.

Rhymes With Clue
Nov 18, 2010

A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage
Naïve had a malpracticing doctor, Paranoid had a poisoner, Insane had a strongman. So it is very hard to believe that Normal had NO killing role. And no such role has flipped so it's sstill there. I’m betting on a PGO, a variant Neverhelm seems to think isn’t there—or else a delayed kill of some sort instead of a delayed heal.

Would also be willing to vote Illu though, I think he’s lying too.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
Yeaaaaaah. Illu is probably lying but my math here is that is normal is probably holding their killer in reserve to swing the game right at the end. I really just don't see a day where we're not voting whichever normal feels most suspicious until we get their killer, unless normal want to just offer them up of course.

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
Votecount for Day 5

JosefStalinator (3): Yami Fenrir, Rhymes With Clue, Illusionis
Illusionis (2): NeverHelm, Maugrim

Not Voting (3): fool of sound, JosefStalinator, PlasticAutomaton

With 8 alive, it's 5 votes to execute. The current deadline is July 24th, 2023 at 4 p.m. CDT -- that's in about 16 hours, 45 minutes.

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
My concern is that if Illu is lying and his wincon involves the rest of us losing, the situation there is more urgent than the situation with the potential killer on Team Normal. Because he's about to win tonight/tomorrow

If we vote off Illu and one of us dies tonight there are still enough of us left to vote off both members of Team Normal

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
Don't care tbh.

Normal doesn't get to have a killer and that's as far as I care about this.

If Illu winning ends the game then that's a net plus for me.

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Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
I do see where you're coming from. I'm still hopeful of a friendship victory when all killers are gone so I am voting what I see as the safest path to that. But if Josef gets to -1 I'll hammer because it's clearly not going my way

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