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Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

I ignored Raised Fist until 60 hours into the game on what must have been 100+ attempts to beat the first deck on purple chip. I've reached scientific notation in this game but am still learning things — so many early on situations where it could have kept me going on long enough to figure out a replacement. Such an incredible game.

I'm still certain though that Superposition is definitely absolute dogshit and that anyone whose stats show it as their most used Joker would have to be a loving alien.

EDIT: Holy poo poo, thinking about it now... Burglar slaps.

Old Doggy Bastard fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Nov 24, 2024

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Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Unormal posted:

Superposition is not good, but if you get it early by accident its not hard to put together K->A and A->5 straights, and 10 tarot cards early can be pretty significant, so don't just delete it.

God drat. I didn't know that while we can't wrap staights, Aces can be used for K->A or A->5 straights. Thanks!

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Square Joker is a nice dude, but he's no Wee Joker. 😍

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

What do people here think about Hiker? Even with Splash in Ante 1, it feels like the bonus is too spread out across a bunch of cards.

Horace Kinch posted:

Wee Joker goes off so hard if you can start copying 2's early. I had a run where I was playing 5 of a kind and flush 5 2's but RNG said no to Red Seals & Glass.



It was a glorious feeling to unleash untold legions of Kings (Holographic Edition, Red Seal, Steel Card) and 2s (Holographic Edition, Red Seal, Glass Card). It's the kind of thing anyone who sticks with the game will eventually enjoy, and it's really sold it as Game of the Year for me.

EDIT: Wait, this looks like a job for Bandit, Hanging Chad, and Hack. Maybe that changes things enough.

EDIT EDIT: gently caress this game is great. No for Hanging Chad and Hack, but Bandit and Brainstorm is a powerful team.

Old Doggy Bastard fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Nov 27, 2024

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Jossar posted:

Hiker might be okay if you could very thoroughly trim your deck or otherwise lock in that you only want to draw a specific type of card early on, but otherwise is pretty useless. Definitely seems like one of the "grab this on Gold Stakes as a Negative" cards.

Yeah, even with that insane stuff it still wasn't an ideal deck near the end (but I won). I probably should have ditched Hiker for a better XMulti though.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Flower Pot not working with Smeared Joker makes me sad, but I guess it is a lesson in carefully reading effects.

EDIT: If an eternal rental joker can't be paid, will it go defunct but reactivate later with funds?

Old Doggy Bastard fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Nov 27, 2024

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

I've been getting up the first few decks to golden. I've gotten Red and Blue up to unlock gold stake, but no dice. I'm trying to beat orange stake on yellow deck now, but it's rough. These higher difficulties feel like there's no chance unless you get something strong enough to survive at the start, which isn't super fun in a challenging way.

Anyone have any general purple/gold tips, especially for yellow deck?

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

GoutPatrol posted:

Pick a strategy: don't skip anything so you see as many stores as possible to find what you need or reroll ante 1 until you find a good skip so there is no pressure until ante 3/4. Never let yourself get below $25.

And sometimes just get lucky.


Not gold, but orange. This has to be the first time I won without ever discarding, which is easy when you have the smallest deck and 10 hands a round.

I did it! Gold stake on the yellow deck is done. That extra initial cash really, really, really gives some extra leeway. Mine, as always, does wonders. Delayed Gratification early started to keep me alive longer in games until I got a good grasp of when to ditch it.

Stuntman helps control Raised Fist and would probably be a good fit with Blackboard.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Ariong posted:

To conquer the black deck you must completely reorient your idea of what constitutes a good start. Round 1 shop has square joker, hanging chad, or blueprint? drat, that’s a shame, those won’t get you through the early game, you’re probably sunk. Round 1 shop has jolly joker, mystic summit, or riff-raff? Hell yeah, we’re in business.

Black Deck and some other decks and high difficulties really remind you of how important the fundamentals are. Riff-Raff loving slaps, getting him in the Round 1 shop is huge. Even if he gives you complete garbage it is garbage that can be sold.

siriuslysomething posted:

I have played so much of this game and just need to do the jokerless challenge (which is so loving hard) to have done all the decks and stakes and all the challenges.

I keep looking at my steam achievements and saying it's a real shame I will never get completionist+ or completionist++ but...

I need to get around to doing the jokerless challenge after getting through gold stake on all the other decks. Really wish there was a joker unlocked for doing it.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

I swear to God that Space Joker upgrades things way more than 1/4, but maybe that's just because Wheel of Fortune doesn't tend to upgrade 1/4 times (because sometimes none are eligible). Total bro, had no idea he was good.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

GaiaShell posted:

As my act of contrition I've had several runs where that fucker never once fired except maybe one high card instead of the fifteen flushes I wanted it to work

I was struggling and using almost every hand each round, so maybe that is why it seemed to go off more? If rounds are ending after one hand it probably doesn't have as much worth.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

It loving sucks to never get offered a single XMulti once on gold stake and then hit Ante 4. It just feels like a waste of time.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

What have everyone found to be the easier or harder decks to beat on higher stakes?

So far I've beaten Blue Deck, Yellow Deck, and Anaglyph Deck on gold stake. I am working on gold stake for Red Deck and Green Deck, but I have had no luck beating that final difficulty yet. Some of these get a little weird and I wanted to check what strategies or pitfalls people have figured out.

I can't tell if I'm stupid for trying to go for straights with the Painted Deck. The higher hand size is so helpful, but there are so many different boss blinds that drop you right in your tracks if specialized. No repeat types of hands? Well, gently caress your Card Sharp. Only one hand at all? Good luck. Cards drawn face down? Embarrassing and deadly.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Aggro posted:

I just had the most blessed run that I've gotten in ages. Playing Plasma Deck, Red Stakes. Didn't really have much going until Ante 4, and then the deck just went bonkers. Despite having a deck of entirely clubs, playing a Flush Five still took down The Club in one hand. And the boss was Verdant Leaf which again didn't matter.

I ended up with Triboulet, Yorick, and Caneo. All of them became Holographic or Polychrome because Wheel of Fortune hit four times. I also had DNA which I kept the whole time to keep making more Glass Queens. I used a Trading Card to get rid of all of my other face cards, and then either Hanged Man or Death took care of the rest. By the high Antes, my deck was nothing but Glass Queens and Steel 10s. I had Flush Five up to level 9. Yorick ended up at a 14x modifier. Caneo was at 38x.

Best hand was 8.519e18 which was 4 Glass Queens + 1 Glass Polychrome Queen, and 4 Steel 10s in hand. Finally lost on Round 42 when playing 4 Flush Fives in a row wasn't good enough.

I imagine the only way to get higher than that would've been to get a Red Seal on the Glass Polychrome Queen and dupe that, or luck into a Negative Baron and get Steel Kings in my hand. I didn't see a Negative Joker tag until Ante 13.

Seed: QA2Z32Y7

It's a great feeling. This was my first and so far only time making it to scientific notation.

Like you said, it gets even crazier with Brainstorm or Blueprint, and the insane amount of Glass/Steel Polychrome Red Seal Kings possible.

Old Doggy Bastard fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Dec 1, 2024

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Ghost Deck sucks. I've been trying to beat gold stake but can barely get to Ante 3 sometimes because I don't get +Multi cards offered, and other times can't get past the 4/5/6 hump because I don't get offered XMulti cards.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008


Even on gold stake? Please uplift me from the darkness of ignorance.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

I agree, but it feels like I don't get enough offers from the shop or cash or something. It's hard to get a Chip, +Multi, and XMulti cards offered to me by the time it ramps up.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

I'll try to stick to the fundamentals and keep trying, one out of a handful of times I manage to get a decent/acceptable +Multi on the first shop or two.

I've had a weird run just start that is totally not me doing good practices, but I had a free Blueprint and stupidly turned it Polychrome. What would be the optimal ordering for these? If the blueprint is to the left and activating the pants, the Polychrome will apply the x1.5 before the pants and suck, right?



Learning experience.

EDIT: As predicted, I died. But it would be good to know in the future if I get another Blueprint sent from the heavens (far too early).

Old Doggy Bastard fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Dec 1, 2024

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

AweStriker posted:

You don't necessarily have to use the Hex on the first joker you get. Sometimes you can be done with a joker and pivot.

I've held off a few times but started to pick up steam and then became unable to use it because it would mean wiping out Jokers, keeping me barely alive. I zoned out with the blueprint before realizing the order issue. SAD!

But not as sad as a perishable Cavendish.



EDIT: Died, but wasn't a fan of that run.

Old Doggy Bastard fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Dec 2, 2024

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Ariong posted:

I mean it’s not perfectly optimal, but it’s still really really good. The blueprint copies the pants and then applies the x1.5 to its own flat mult bonus. So if your pants are up to +10 then you get (10 * 1.5) + 10 = 25 mult. After that every two pair you play works out to an additional 5 mult. The biggest issue at that point is winning too fast and thus missing out on scaling. Why did you predict that you would die with this extremely powerful early combo? And how did you die?

I fell into the issue of winning too fast and missing out on scaling. Current game, much more careful about not squandering stuff.



EDIT: Newer run has me set up in a good spot. But, if I'm right, the biggest issue I have at the moment is getting a chip joker?



Died.

Old Doggy Bastard fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Dec 2, 2024

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Thank you for the comprehensive feedback Ariong, that's all really helpful. Mystic Summit is a bit embarrassing, I'm so used to Raised Fist as a +Multi that I forgot the polychrome makes ideal placement different. Splash was indeed the lease bad thing in a pack (only one to not be an eternal rental)

I believe that I was upgrading my hands, but it probably wasn't as much as needed because my money situation was abysmal. I did have a few +Multi upgrades on my Queens. Upgrading them looks like an even bigger priority than I already thought. The difference in score from hands with upgraded Queens and the hands with plain jane Queens was very noticeable. Glass remains essential.

Ariong posted:

[*]Photograph benefits from enhanced non-face cards like mult, lucky, and glass cards getting scored before your first face card, but Half Joker means you can only have up to two of those. If you’re going for three of a kind then you can’t have any because the first card scored will always be a face card.

This is interesting and much clearer explained than most places online. I knew enough to put glass cards last, but not that the interaction order would work the same for Photograph. Half Joker was a move of last resort and all of that worked together poorly, but my offerings were low and I was super tired. Whole run was a mess and I was reaching that Ante 5 moment where you start to panic because I had no +Multi (so far, everything had been perishable) and bought the Ramen before Blackboard (which I'm usually more comfortable with) came after next round.

The best Blackboard synergy for me so far has been Stuntman. Stuntman also works well with Raised Fist. Contender for my favorite card. Speaking of...



I'm not running flushes this run, but used a card to create a joker and got The Tribe. I actually would love some input on what kind of hands would be ideal for this setup. Would it be for larger hands, like 3OAK, Full House, Straights, or Flushes?



Here's my situation with planet upgrades. So far, economy jokers have all been rentals, so it's been a bit limited. I didn't know that early on you may want to go for an economy joker first, but it makes sense.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Ariong posted:

Advice (polite) to not be spending all my money up in here on stupid poo poo.

About to enter the final battle and look in much better shape, feeling confident. Burglar is so loving nice, being a joker who can take the dive makes him even better.



Pretty sure I'm about to beat this and show the impact that teaching/learning the game can have. Keep faith, new players! It was so awesome to explain to me my mistakes, my game flow is feeling 100% better.



Not my greatest run in the world, but it got me one step closer to gold stake and I think these new guidelines on "don't spend so much loving money" will make a huge difference.



EDIT: Oh, yeah. I'm so back. Thanks!

Old Doggy Bastard fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Dec 3, 2024

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Canio with no Hanged Man, Justice, or Spectral packs feels bad man.

EDIT: It's okay, the universe balanced me out with a Rocket on Ante 1 and the best joker.




EDIT: Saving money changes things so much. I've now managed to win gold stake on Red Deck, Blue Deck, Yellow Deck, Ghost Deck, Abandoned Deck, Checkered Deck, and Anaglyph Deck.

Old Doggy Bastard fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Dec 4, 2024

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Tonetta posted:

yep and then you transform your other cards into your juiced up cards and suddenly you're pod racing

Hiker, Splash, and Wee Joker was amazing. Once I traded Hiker out for Hanging Chad, it had become one of the most incredible things I've seen in my entire life. The only moment that brought me more happiness was my wedding day – until I picked up a Blueprint. It instantly shot up to first place, which my wife was mad about until I got her into Balatro.

Ariong posted:

Hmm that’s odd, it makes me feel like the smartest person in the world. Perhaps the game simply reveals what is already there? How droll.

oh god gently caress i just played a four card hand into the psychic again

Balatro made me feel dumb, and then clever, and then frustrated, and then determined, and then a lot of pride, followed by periods of alternating satisfaction and frustration until I hit the wall a few weeks back and Ariong's Don't Spend Cash Like MC Hammer™ eventually got me back up to beating most decks on gold. Much like actual MC Hammer, my finances are actually, on average, super good in most games.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Ariong posted:

If you’re avoiding them because you think they’re just bad, give them a shot. You might realize something you missed before. If you’re avoiding them because they don’t fit your current gameplan, yeah, go ahead and skip them, they’ll come around again.

Childhood is thinking Stuntman is bad, adulthood is understanding Stuntman is my absolute best friend in the world.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

FalconImpala posted:

Something about the jokers makes me deeply uncomfortable

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Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

I caved and bought it for my cellphone. The game is a lot easier without all of the jokers unlocked, there's about 25 that I haven't done yet and it really makes a lot of the better/classic ones come up more.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

What jokers did you used to love, but grew to hate as you got better at the game and/or started doing higher stakes?

Blur used to be so cool to me. But now? He's such a disappointment.

Baseball Card is occasionally alright, but that's another one that I used to love. He just restricts the rest of your jokers too much.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

I've finished each deck on gold stake except for black deck, which is just not very fun at all. I've beaten all but the last two challenges. This game has brought out a completionist in me that doesn't usually exist for most games. True masterpiece of a game.

Ariong posted:

Pareidolia. It holds a special place in my heart as the first joker with no obvious benefit that really made me start thinking about synergies and buildcrafting for the first time.

Same! I think it is one of the best examples to start to explain the game to people who haven't been exposed to it. One joker makes all cards face cards, one gives a multiplier to face cards, another makes all face cards gold, ect. If for some reason I have Vampire and Midas Mask at the same time and run into Pareidolia, it's a swell day, but even then there's probably something better or I've already won anyway.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Scholtz posted:


10 left! 8 Uncommon, 2 Rare.

Is this graphic from a site? I would love to generate one for myself. I have now beaten every deck on gold stake. Feels good man.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

I've done all the decks on gold, and all challenges but the last one - the dreaded Jokerless challenge. Best that I've gone so far is to Ante 5.

EDIT: Holy poo poo, I did it.

Old Doggy Bastard fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Jan 2, 2025

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

4OAK is the best. Keep trying until you get a Mars for sale in the first Ante. It allows you to beat the first boss and the second Ante boss with a single hand. Hold onto Deaths to turn cards into each other, since if you can only get 3OAK in a round, there's always an out by using Death. Tarot cards that give +4 Multi and +30 Chips can also keep you alive early on, and as you progress, eventually you shift to Steel cards and eventually Glass. Red Chip cards can make a huge difference, especially on top of Glass. Don't spend money early on, you can clear the first Ante without any modifications with some luck. But, buy any Death or Mars that comes up. It took me an hour or two. At first it is a nightmare, but eventually the mechanics start to click and it all comes down to luck and skill.

You can do it!

Getting gold stickers on all these Jokers is brutal.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Anyone know how the interaction with Photograph and Holographic plays together in terms of order?

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Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

I have no interest in it, but I can't help but admire the craftsmanship and dedication. It's really distracted me from the fact I'm sick and losing a lot.

Trying to gold sticker the shithole jokers, or at least, ones that don't work well at high stakes or absent extremely specific situations. Amalgam Deck negative joker solution feels... smart, but I've also not had the negative tag show up for three games.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

mutantIke posted:

I got vampire/midas expecting it to be a complete game changer and then lost to the very next boss blind

I still think it goes hard.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

I have all but one legendary joker gold stickered. Now it's just endless disable boss blinds.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Fedule posted:

Is there anywhere in the game that logs your run history and lets you see your deck/jokers? At a scan through stats/profile I don't see it, although the charts showing your most used cards are neat.

Sadly, no. Mods exist, but I've never tried them.

EDIT: There's a class of Jokers that I call the "highschool boyfriend" to my wife. Jokers that are great to start... but that around Ante 3-4 you outgrow and need to call it splits with.

Old Doggy Bastard fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jan 14, 2025

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

I caved and bought the phone version to play alongside my wife before bed, and it's awesome. Pixel Fold looks great open, and looks great even with the small "normal" screen aspect ratio. I didn't figure out how to get it to expand until dozens of great hours later. Sometimes, rarely, I'll flick something into oblivion by mistake - but that's deff only a thing when I'm on heavy sleeping meds. It's been fun playing all over again, and seeing what its like to not have ~20 clutter jokers constantly spawning instead of core ones I prefer. Lack of instant restart isn't that bad, and it's made me appreciate lower stakes more.

EDIT: The fact that Gros Michel will not get a gold stake sticker if it explodes in the final round is cruel.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Does the game have some sort of evil algorithm that decides which joker is duplicated by Invisible Joker, or does it seek out eternal negative jokers and/or stuff that is loving useless to have multiple of (like Astronomer) instead of numerous alternatives (Photograph, Hanging Chad, Brainstorm, Blueprint)? It feels like it will always choose Midas mask nine times out of ten.

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Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Elman posted:

I think the only two decks I have left are black and ghost, so I'll be looking forward to that. Can't be worse than Jokerless!

I actually sort of found Jokerless liberating once the flow started to click for me.

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