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TBH I didn't really understand the restaurant dynamic in season 1 either. They had customers and even a line out the door at opening in one episode, but they were always struggling like nobody showed up. It was like reverse Bob's Burgers where they have no customers but always have money for adventures.
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Colonel Whitey posted:It was pretty funny when they tried to pretend it’s not ALL rich customers at the fancy Olivia Colman restaurant, there's one couple who saved up all year for this! Laughable deluded poo poo from this show I made $40k a year in Chicago and still managed to go to Schwa a couple of times. There's a vast gulf between rich and struggling to make rent in which people do occasionally treat themselves to something fancy. Fine dining places cost about as much as tickets to a big concert, a sporting event, plane tickets somewhere, etc. It's just a bit more ephemeral. Henchman of Santa fucked around with this message at 17:21 on May 22, 2025 |
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Well sure people do it, but having that be your stated reason for working in fine dining is the deluded part
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gurragadon posted:TBH I didn't really understand the restaurant dynamic in season 1 either. They had customers and even a line out the door at opening in one episode, but they were always struggling like nobody showed up. I think they explained it as it was colossally mismanaged, like they were making some money but also wasting it. Also Mikey took a lot of money and hid it in tomato cans
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May 22, 2025 19:25
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Yeah, the restaurant; Was way overstaffed for the business since Mikey had a soft heart and hired anyone in need. A sandwich take out place does not need 3 cooks, a tillman, 2 dishwashers, an EVS, and a baker all working at the same time. Underpiced the food for the COGS Paying interest on a $60k loan Having an addict for an owner also cuts into profits Vvvv Because the $60k was for Carmine to open a restaurant with a clean slate. Not tied down to all the baggage the sandwich shop brought with it. To put it symbolically, Carmy escaped and went his own way, Mikey wanted to protect him from all the mistakes and baggage their parents put on him. Macdeo Lurjtux fucked around with this message at 20:57 on May 22, 2025 |
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Also don't forget being behind on pretty much every single bill if I recall correctly, and a bunch of practically defunct equipment. I'll be honest I still dont fully understand what Mikey was doing or how he messed it all up that bad. Even if he was failing to pay back the mob or something, if you have that much money to put into cans then why not pay the bills and fix up the joint.
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They were kind of back and forth on how bad it really was depending on plot needs, but yeah, they also mention that with the debt they pissed off a bunch of their suppliers with late and unpaid invoices so it's all cash up front. So smaller quantities at worse margins (Carmy having to trade sports collectibles for beef that probably fell off of a truck), along with general mismanagement and being overstaffed. Marcus' whole thing comes out of the realization that it's insane to pay for a full-time baker rather than just buy bread. I don't think they ever directly addressed Mikey's money in the cans plan, and I was never sure if the start of season 2 was a retcon or part of it from the start. But Mikey's plan seemed to be that since Cicero was willing to steadily give him loans without too much pressure, he kept taking them. They went in the cans to stay out of the bank both to keep Cicero and Mikey out of trouble and to keep it off the books. That's where it get a little fuzzy, because I think all they confirmed on the show was that Mikey "wanted a clean start, maybe he did want to do The Bear." I was never sure if Mikey's plan was to let The Beef fail, wander off with the stashed money and start over himself or with Carmy (figuring that Cicero would end up whole after they sold the building, which begs the question why he didn't just sell it). Or if he figured that he'd set it up and after he died Carmy could use the stashed money to start something new or do even more ridiculous fraud and keep The Bear going and hope that all the debts would die with Mikey. Or if he maybe just didn't have a plan, which seems possible. Maybe up there with the abandoned attempts at insurance fraud. Show wise it just meant that Carmy could pay off most of the debts, because lol, even with Mikey's mismanagment they were still close to breakeven and a good chunk of the debt was part of a hare-brained scheme.
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Actually, did we ever get anything definitive that Mikey was using? I realized i had this assumption he was because people kept saying it, but thinking back it was always in reference to The Beef being poorly managed and the missing $60k. Which we've since gotten other explanations for.
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I know I've talked poo poo about Season 3 a lot but I decided to start watching Season 1 again. It's still a pretty amazing season of television and it's cool seeing how so many things get set up and paid off over time. Especially in hindsight knowing where things go, it reallynlends itself well to a rewatch. E: Pete knocked out on Xanax sleeping on Richie's shoulder in the car is hilarious. Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Actually, did we ever get anything definitive that Mikey was using? I realized i had this assumption he was because people kept saying it, but thinking back it was always in reference to The Beef being poorly managed and the missing $60k. Which we've since gotten other explanations for. He was an alcoholic and also allowed Richie to deal coke to guys like Nico out back behind the restaurant to help them get theough Covid, to the point where Nico had his phone number. It seems like it was a lot of things compounding on his preexisting mental health problems. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 04:03 on May 24, 2025 |
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The best thing to come out of this show is the Original Berf joke. Everything else is mostly forgettable but some of it is interesting.
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Arc Hammer posted:I know I've talked poo poo about Season 3 a lot but I decided to start watching Season 1 again. It's still a pretty amazing season of television and it's cool seeing how so many things get set up and paid off over time. Especially in hindsight knowing where things go, it reallynlends itself well to a rewatch Yeah as wanky as season 3 got the show has a great foundation. I'm hopeful they've taken on board some feedback and season 4 will be a bit more grounded.
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Onto Season 2. Man, the Claire stuff just does not work with this show.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFILT02VIWo Looks like Richie hired Jess to work at the Bear.
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gurragadon posted:TBH I didn't really understand the restaurant dynamic in season 1 either. They had customers and even a line out the door at opening in one episode, but they were always struggling like nobody showed up.
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Arc Hammer posted:Onto Season 2. Man, the Claire stuff just does not work with this show. I don't necessarily dislike the performance, but she's clearly there as a walking macguffin.
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Onto Season 3 again. You know, the blackscreen pauses for TV commercials weren't included on Seasons 1 and 2 on Disney Plus, so having them in Season 3 is really loving annoying. Episode 3 is still a lot of fun.
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I got up to the Tina episode last night and then turned it off. I don't know what it is about that episode that pisses me off but I didn't like it the first time around and I have little desire to watch it again. I'm trying to figure out the timeline of things. So Mikey kills himself 4 months before the show starts, in 2022. Carmy is running the hear for two weeks before hiring Sydney, and then season 1 happens over the span of another 2 months, I believe? Then they find the money and decide to open The Bear. Season 2 takes place entirely over the course of three months as they do the demolition, renovation and soft open. Season 3 proper starts a week after Season 2 ends, and it runs or just over a month. Episode 3 covers their first month of business, when Sydney bumps into Adam on the streets she says it's been a chaotic month, and then that same episode they hear that Terry is closing down Ever and the final service is in two weeks time. Natalie gives birth during that two week span, so working backwards that means she would have been pregnant all throughout Season 1, right? I know that fiction works along compressed timelines but when you start setting hard dates in your story it really makes some things feel frantic and more rushed than they come off as. Like Richie has an entire transformation in Forks but it only happens over a week's time and he spends three of those days cleaning Forks.
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It is an unfortunate side effect of the storytelling choices. People were battling over in The Pit thread about a character not evolving over the 18 weeks the show aired even though it only takes place across one day. Either you can let it go or it will get stuck on your craw.
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I am ready to be hurt again.
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According to sources the first two episodes will be 130 minute long montages set to strings and Sabrina Carpenter, without dialogue.
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MiddleOne posted:According to sources the first two episodes will be 130 minute long montages set to strings and Sabrina Carpenter, without dialogue. Each? Hell yeah
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wrapping up a rewatch, binging through the end of S3. let's go. vvv e: yes, from my understanding the whole season drops at once. Scott Forstall fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Jun 23, 2025 |
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Are they dumping the whole season at once again?
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Ah yes, the worst way to release a show except for maybe the half season + 18 month wait
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Season 4 ends with Carmen taking a dump on a plate and serving it to the audience.
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episode 6 is sugar learning to be a mother while jamie lee curtis drives her insane in a terrifying way. the other 9 episodes are a slow motion cut of carmen putting a single bayleaf on a piece of cheesecake
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ilmucche posted:episode 6 is sugar learning to be a mother while jamie lee curtis drives her insane in a terrifying way. the other 9 episodes are a slow motion cut of carmen putting a single bayleaf on a piece of cheesecake With tears in his eyes as Joel McHale tells him he's worthless
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Bravely predicting that this season will end with success at the restaurant but wait ? Whats this? Carmys mom DIES right at the very end? Oh nooooo!! This show is so much like shameless (also a completely irredeemable piece of poo poo show). Worthless tertiary comedy characters. Misery porn jelqing. Troubled hot people
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Shameless is perfectly defensible if you pretend Frank died in like season 5 and the show ended.
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Jimmy's gonna go bankrupt from other lovely investments and the restaurant will be collateral damage as he sells the place to cover his debts.
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Bismack Billabongo posted:Bravely predicting that this season will end with success at the restaurant but wait ? Whats this? Carmys mom DIES right at the very end? Oh nooooo!! this will absolutely be it. or it ends with a shot of Carmy smiling.
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rewatching the end of S3, thinking about the plot lines that are left hanging for S4... -I forgot about the offhand shade at Salt Bae right near the end of E10, but that was great -Jess seems to be joining Cousin at The Bear -Carm and Claire? -shipping Sid and Luca? -does Sid break away from The Bear? She has a panic attack in the closing moments of S3, representing the penultimate cliffhanger -the Chicago Tribune review will make or break The Bear. The final cliffhanger is Carm reacting to mixed glimpses of the review with a "Motherfucker!" fired up, ready to go for tomorrow (it seems like its dropping late in the day so I'll probably just binge it Thursday)
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I like that so many of those were introduced in an early episode then never went anywhere. We were trying to remember things that happened but other than "Sid gets another job offer" we drew blanks
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All of those suffer from being lame and meandering. Forgettable might be a mote apt word.
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I kinda wish more shows would stop trying to develop their characters or move its plot. The Bear’s entire selling point, for me, is its arthouse pretensions. Sick craft and keen observation are all that’s needed. Anyway, its best episodes require little to no prior knowledge and involve the setting up of brand new characters. It might as well be an anthology series.
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Arc Hammer posted:Jimmy's gonna go bankrupt from other lovely investments and the restaurant will be collateral damage as he sells the place to cover his debts. Didn't that happen at the end of season 3? He lost on a short and needed the money tied up in the restaurant to cover it.
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Vegetable posted:I kinda wish more shows would stop trying to develop their characters or move its plot. The Bear’s entire selling point, for me, is its arthouse pretensions. Sick craft and keen observation are all that’s needed. Anyway, its best episodes require little to no prior knowledge and involve the setting up of brand new characters. It might as well be an anthology series. Rob Zacny described the food cinematography as if it were photos of a crime scene and that's really stuck with me.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Didn't that happen at the end of season 3? He lost on a short and needed the money tied up in the restaurant to cover it. It was implied during one scene in a car with The Computer but was never mentioned again, so I'm assuming/hoping that it crops up this season. It's amusing seeing the guy who positions himself as the voice of reason getting everyone else hosed for his bad decisions.
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