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CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Wologars posting feels pretty desperate.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:39

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# ? Jan 21, 2025 23:02

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

wologar posted:

No sk means a fourth scum.

I don't think Hal is scum. The vibes say town.
I was very suspicious of Keane D1 but then he played in a towny way. Could be scum.
Sand and Zoya could be town or scum and I wouldn't be surprised. I don't really see any difference between their town and scumgame, except for something from Sand that thankfully hasn't come up this game.

I'm not scum, but all I can offer in my defense is my voting/scumhunting record and dashing good looks.

Why is a 4th scum materially different from an SK?

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:40

wologar: Feb 11, 2014

The difference is that scum is not a role, it's an alignment.

There can easily be a SCUM-Jailer, SCUM-Rolecop, SCUM-Backup or SCUM-Death-Masonizer (this one is much less likely, though).

While if there was a sk, it'd be SELF-Serial-Killer.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:40

wologar: Feb 11, 2014

CCKeane posted:

Why is a 4th scum materially different from an SK?

wologar posted:

The difference is that scum is not a role, it's an alignment.

There can easily be a SCUM-Jailer, SCUM-Rolecop, SCUM-Backup or SCUM-Death-Masonizer (this one is much less likely, though).

While if there was a sk, it'd be SELF-Serial-Killer.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:40

wologar: Feb 11, 2014

Is it you, Keane? Are you a SCUM-Rolecop?

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:41

wologar: Feb 11, 2014

I see it.

##vote Keane

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:42

Hal Incandenza: Feb 12, 2004

Zoya posted:

so you want to kill ... the jailor, lol

we have 5 right now, once we yeet we'll have 4

if i'm the yeet, that means you have, taking all roles at the word, a BG, a cop, a ghost mason, and a vanilla townie

if you don't immediately catch the real killer tomorrow, you misyeet, and you're down to 3... even if you now know exactly who the killer is, you now, as the only prot, a BG, have to guess who they're gonna kill, sacrificing yourself instead of them

oops you still died, though, so the killer wins, and the game ends

bad ending

Yeah, true, I am influenced by your desperation to keep creating scenarios where I am scum to satisfy your ego (or advance your scum/SK aganeda)

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:42

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

wologar posted:

The difference is that scum is not a role, it's an alignment.

There can easily be a SCUM-Jailer, SCUM-Rolecop, SCUM-Backup or SCUM-Death-Masonizer (this one is much less likely, though).

While if there was a sk, it'd be SELF-Serial-Killer.

This doesn't affect the plan Zoya offered up.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:43

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

you yeet me tonight, and the game doesn't end

in any of these scenarios, hal has to try to guess who the SK is gonna kill. whether he succeeds or not is kind of here nor there, so i won't keep throwing it in as a variable, i'll just consider "the SK kills hal" and "hal guesses the kill target and jumps in front of the bullet" as identical, since, they are identical in the end

if keane is the SK:

if he kills hal, its wolo/keane/sandwolf. no one is cleared, because there is no jail. keane says he checked wolo and got SK... sandwolf is kingmaker
if he kills sandwolf, it's wolo/keane/hal. keane says he checked wolo and got SK... hal is kingmaker
if he kills wolo, he's foolish, but it's keane/hal/sandwolf. he probably argues it was hal after all, and sandwolf is kingmaker
boy things really suck in every possible scenario if keane is the sk huh
there is no scenario where town survives a misyeet

if wolo is the SK:

if he kills hal, its wolo/keane/sandwolf. keane maybe catches wolo. sandwolf is kingmaker
if he kills sandwolf, it's wolo/keane/hal. keane maybe catches him. hal is kingmaker
if he kills keane, spiderman mexican standoff
there is no scenario where town survives a misyeet

if sandwolf is the SK:

if he kills hal, it's wolo/keane/sandwolf. keane clears wolo, but keane cleared sandwolf before. they probably yeet sandwolf
if he kills keane, its wolo/hal/sandwolf. spiderman mexican standoff, wolo probably gets yeeted
if he kills wolo, keane is kingmaker

if hal is the SK:

im sick of typing this out its all the same scenario basically

the point is that with a BG in the mix instead of a jailor, you can't announce your target like i am doing. and there's zero confirmation that you did what you said you would do, because a BG visit is not confirmable. jailing is confirmable. it doesn't work with you alive and me dead, hal

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:43

Hal Incandenza: Feb 12, 2004

wologar posted:

Is it you, Keane? Are you a SCUM-Rolecop?

Who chose to rolecop instead of kill last night? Or else you think Keane got Sandwolfs role earlier in the game?

I dunno seems unlikely

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:44

wologar: Feb 11, 2014

Zoya posted:

you yeet me tonight, and the game doesn't end

in any of these scenarios, hal has to try to guess who the SK is gonna kill. whether he succeeds or not is kind of here nor there, so i won't keep throwing it in as a variable, i'll just consider "the SK kills hal" and "hal guesses the kill target and jumps in front of the bullet" as identical, since, they are identical in the end

if keane is the SK:

if he kills hal, its wolo/keane/sandwolf. no one is cleared, because there is no jail. keane says he checked wolo and got SK... sandwolf is kingmaker
if he kills sandwolf, it's wolo/keane/hal. keane says he checked wolo and got SK... hal is kingmaker
if he kills wolo, he's foolish, but it's keane/hal/sandwolf. he probably argues it was hal after all, and sandwolf is kingmaker
boy things really suck in every possible scenario if keane is the sk huh
there is no scenario where town survives a misyeet

if wolo is the SK:

if he kills hal, its wolo/keane/sandwolf. keane maybe catches wolo. sandwolf is kingmaker
if he kills sandwolf, it's wolo/keane/hal. keane maybe catches him. hal is kingmaker
if he kills keane, spiderman mexican standoff
there is no scenario where town survives a misyeet

if sandwolf is the SK:

if he kills hal, it's wolo/keane/sandwolf. keane clears wolo, but keane cleared sandwolf before. they probably yeet sandwolf
if he kills keane, its wolo/hal/sandwolf. spiderman mexican standoff, wolo probably gets yeeted
if he kills wolo, keane is kingmaker

if hal is the SK:

im sick of typing this out its all the same scenario basically

the point is that with a BG in the mix instead of a jailor, you can't announce your target like i am doing. and there's zero confirmation that you did what you said you would do, because a BG visit is not confirmable. jailing is confirmable. it doesn't work with you alive and me dead, hal

I insist that there is no sk.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:44

wologar: Feb 11, 2014

Hal Insandenza posted:

Who chose to rolecop instead of kill last night? Or else you think Keane got Sandwolfs role earlier in the game?

I dunno seems unlikely

Hm. I'd have to review the night action lists, but if this is true then it has to be Zoya.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:46

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Hal Insandenza posted:

Who chose to rolecop instead of kill last night? Or else you think Keane got Sandwolfs role earlier in the game?

I dunno seems unlikely

It's harsh but fair that your argument is "Keane won't have had time to perform his night actions". I would torpedo my scum buddies for a laugh.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:46

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

wologar posted:

I insist that there is no sk.

it doesn't really matter, the only difference would be that if YOU'RE scum, keane will assuredly not be able to catch you via his rolecop. unless you're also a mason, in which case, he catches you in a lie (VT) and you'd be dead tomorrow

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:46

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

i think wolo slipped up here tbh because i caged him in with my plan

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:47

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

##unvote

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:47

wologar: Feb 11, 2014

Zoya posted:

it doesn't really matter, the only difference would be that if YOU'RE scum, keane will assuredly not be able to catch you via his rolecop. unless you're also a mason, in which case, he catches you in a lie (VT) and you'd be dead tomorrow

It doesn't make a difference in my case. Vanilla scums are typically called "goons" here.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:48

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Zoya posted:

it doesn't really matter, the only difference would be that if YOU'RE scum, keane will assuredly not be able to catch you via his rolecop. unless you're also a mason, in which case, he catches you in a lie (VT) and you'd be dead tomorrow

Right, or if Wologar is, say, godfather.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:48

Hal Incandenza: Feb 12, 2004

Zoya posted:

you yeet me tonight, and the game doesn't end

in any of these scenarios, hal has to try to guess who the SK is gonna kill. whether he succeeds or not is kind of here nor there, so i won't keep throwing it in as a variable, i'll just consider "the SK kills hal" and "hal guesses the kill target and jumps in front of the bullet" as identical, since, they are identical in the end

if keane is the SK:

if he kills hal, its wolo/keane/sandwolf. no one is cleared, because there is no jail. keane says he checked wolo and got SK... sandwolf is kingmaker
if he kills sandwolf, it's wolo/keane/hal. keane says he checked wolo and got SK... hal is kingmaker
if he kills wolo, he's foolish, but it's keane/hal/sandwolf. he probably argues it was hal after all, and sandwolf is kingmaker
boy things really suck in every possible scenario if keane is the sk huh
there is no scenario where town survives a misyeet

if wolo is the SK:

if he kills hal, its wolo/keane/sandwolf. keane maybe catches wolo. sandwolf is kingmaker
if he kills sandwolf, it's wolo/keane/hal. keane maybe catches him. hal is kingmaker
if he kills keane, spiderman mexican standoff
there is no scenario where town survives a misyeet

if sandwolf is the SK:

if he kills hal, it's wolo/keane/sandwolf. keane clears wolo, but keane cleared sandwolf before. they probably yeet sandwolf
if he kills keane, its wolo/hal/sandwolf. spiderman mexican standoff, wolo probably gets yeeted
if he kills wolo, keane is kingmaker

if hal is the SK:

im sick of typing this out its all the same scenario basically

the point is that with a BG in the mix instead of a jailor, you can't announce your target like i am doing. and there's zero confirmation that you did what you said you would do, because a BG visit is not confirmable. jailing is confirmable. it doesn't work with you alive and me dead, hal

Why me over Sandwolf/Keane/Wolo though? They offer no real protection to anyone. There are unquestionably proven actions at this point that show at least one night I was bodyguarding a player instead of killing, that can't even really be in doubt at this point. Plus the other things I have done/said that don't like up with stuff an SK would do.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:48

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

A godfather wouldn't necessarily shock me, I suppose, especially with a miller. Run the ole "no cops but there's a miller and a godfather" game.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:49

wologar: Feb 11, 2014

It's not Hal and I don't think Sand is plausible.

It's either Keane or Zoya. If I'm lunched, I hope you remember this (and I hope I'm correct lol).

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:50

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

Hal Insandenza posted:

Why me over Sandwolf/Keane/Wolo though? They offer no real protection to anyone. There are unquestionably proven actions at this point that show at least one night I was bodyguarding a player instead of killing, that can't even really be in doubt at this point. Plus the other things I have done/said that don't like up with stuff an SK would do.

your protection doesnt matter for the numbers game cuz you die for it, so its a complete wash

unfortunately BG does nothing for us at this gamestate

the reason why you over anyone else is that if there's an SK, the missing deaths make way way way more sense if it was you than anyone else, who would have simply had to have had extraordinarily bad luck in choosing targets

but i think wolo is doing his best to change the plan right now into us voting him today, so you might be safe!

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:50

wologar: Feb 11, 2014

CCKeane posted:

Right, or if Wologar is, say, godfather.

Then you would cop me as Godfather, no?

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:50

Hal Incandenza: Feb 12, 2004

Yeah it seems most likely to be wolo at this point, starting to agree

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:50

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

I am tempted to just vote Wologar at this point. Wologars posting is pretty desperate, and he sends to be trying to see what sticks. In particular, I think is role would be caught by my rolecop, so he's trying to manufacture a case against me.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:51

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

wologar posted:

Then you would cop me as Godfather, no?

Yes, I would.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:51

wologar: Feb 11, 2014

I think I can't contribute anything else and I have no way to clear myself. Let's move this along.

Godspeed, town. ##vote wologar

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:52

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

CCKeane posted:

I am tempted to just vote Wologar at this point. Wologars posting is pretty desperate, and he sends to be trying to see what sticks. In particular, I think is role would be caught by my rolecop, so he's trying to manufacture a case against me.

i think he got boxed in by me laying out all of the scenarios of The Plan, none of which end up with him in control even if he's immune to your cop somehow (super-godfather)

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:52

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

if we yeet wolo, does the plan change at all? if game continues

i jail sandwolf, keane... rechecks hal? gently caress i dunno, it's less clean cuz there's no info to gain me/hal/sand have all already been checked by keane

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:54

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

wologar posted:

I think I can't contribute anything else and I have no way to clear myself. Let's move this along.

Godspeed, town. ##vote wologar

Is this a scum claim? It's fine if it is - I think scum got pretty unlucky this game.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:57

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

if we yeet wolo and the game continues, then it's presumably one of a scum-aligned death masonizer, scum-aligned rolecop, scum-aligned jailor

if it's me i can't kill without sandwolf immediately alerting us that i didnt jail him

if it's keane he kills hal me/sand clear eachother and we yeet him, or he kill

...

,,,,,,,

if we yeet wolo and the game continues, i jail sandwolf, hal BGs me, and keane ... does whatever he wants

the literal only scenario, if hal is town, is that hal dies

cant kill sand, he's immune

can't kill me, you kill hal instead

i can't be the killer cuz sand would notice

sand cant be the killer cuz he's jailed

if we yeet wolo now and the game continues, AND hal is town, the killer loses

if we yeet wolo now and the game continues, and hal is the killer, it's trickier

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:58

wologar: Feb 11, 2014

CCKeane posted:

Is this a scum claim? It's fine if it is - I think scum got pretty unlucky this game.

Nope. I'm town, but there's nothing I can do to prove it and I don't have the energy to push for a win next day in this situation, so it's best if I get out of the way now.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 03:59

Sandwolf: Jan 23, 2007; i'll be harpo

the last 26 posts gave me whiplash. I don�t think it�s Hal. Wolo does feel like the only one who�s out but he�s also advocating to kill himself so lmao. Keane feels good but he also feels kinda calculating here, but there�s like a dozen eliminations he could just go with.

I�m probably too drunk for this

# ? Sep 21, 2023 04:00

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

wologar posted:

Nope. I'm town, but there's nothing I can do to prove it and I don't have the energy to push for a win next day in this situation, so it's best if I get out of the way now.

but we were about to yeet hal before you spoke up

i guess i don't really know why you spoke up

# ? Sep 21, 2023 04:00

wologar: Feb 11, 2014

Zoya posted:

but we were about to yeet hal before you spoke up

i guess i don't really know why you spoke up

I had doubts about it being Hal and now I'm pretty sure it isn't Hal.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 04:01

wologar: Feb 11, 2014

Again, I think it's either Keane or Zoya as fourth scum. I'm leaning Keane, but I'm not certain.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 04:02

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

IF THE GAME CONTINUES:

Hal: BG me tonight
Sand: try to masonize wolo
Keane: who cares it doesn't matter
Me: jail Sandwolf

if hal is town the town cannot lose

if hal is the killer it's more complicated but i'm not gonna strain my braincells to write out the dozen scenarios when wolo is selfvoting already

if keane is the killer he has to kill hal, and then die, or we just drag this out for an infinite number of days with no-executes

if sandwolf is the killer he can't do anything because of jail

if i am the killer i can't kill without sandwolf catching me

game is solved

##vote wolo

# ? Sep 21, 2023 04:03

Sandwolf: Jan 23, 2007; i'll be harpo

wologar posted:

Again, I think it's either Keane or Zoya as fourth scum. I'm leaning Keane, but I'm not certain.

Ugh. I might go reread dead scum just to see if there�s anything towards Keane or Zoya. Both seemingly caught scum, but, at least Keane I�ve seen hard bus before

# ? Sep 21, 2023 04:04

Zoya: Jun 12, 2023; echoes of a distant past,
bodies die but voices last.
once were held within a cell,
your mind is where these voices dwell.

Sandwolf posted:

Ugh. I might go reread dead scum just to see if there�s anything towards Keane or Zoya. Both seemingly caught scum, but, at least Keane I�ve seen hard bus before

just vote wolo, the only scenario where town can lose (including if i am the killer) is if hal is the killer and even then it would be a long shot

# ? Sep 21, 2023 04:05

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# ? Jan 21, 2025 23:02

wologar: Feb 11, 2014

If it's Hal after all, I'm converting to Sandwolfism and advocating for his lunch every game from now on.

# ? Sep 21, 2023 04:05

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