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fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
sure

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fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
Oh, I didn't realize that the game actually started, whoops. Who needs to know their alignment or role on day 1 anyway?

I'm going to assume that the mortiz claim is sincere, since my experience is that their usual day 1 behavior is to snooze throughout. Similarly, as scum their playstyle would let them lurk their way through the first couple days easily. That said I don't have a problem with eliminating a negative utility role day 1, really.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

wologar posted:

Careful, FoS. This is the type of post that can get you executed D1. :v:

someday people will realize that i just post my sincere thoughts day 1 and hope that if i get executed, the rest of town will know its cause scum thought i was an easy target

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
Hmm. In one of my games I gave scum a masonizer specifically because one of the town info roles was a mason detector. Something to keep in mind going forward.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Tired Moritz posted:

I'm a masonlet

:goofy:

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

hambeet posted:

what you thinking fos?

I'm thinking that TM is wildly outside of their normal day 1 character, and the ambiguous mason-or-not-mason claim feels calculated, a way to deal with zoya's gambit without overcommitting. I'm pretty happy with a mortiz vote atm but I don't want to rush things just yet.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Sandwolf posted:

huh??? You claim Miller every game, I think you’re referring to the post where I misspoke, but someone else even pointed out I meant Miller

This feels disingenuous imo

Wait are you sure? I've been in like, 4 games with moritz recently and I remember zero miller claims??

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
I don't really think that jokeclaims early in day 1 are policy vote territory lol.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
Besides if we're policy voting on bad info, I still think the weird "masonlet" nonsense is way more compelling.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

CubicalSucrose posted:

##vote FoS

When fool flips scum we chain-flip Keats, gottem.

Brain genius poo poo here

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
Sussy oomphies ijbol while fleeking

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
rofl

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Sandwolf posted:

Probably FoS no vote in D1 strikes me as hesitant scum

You should be noticing that I don’t vote until the end of day 1 in any game lol. I’m still open to mortiz, who I still feel is posting very out of character this time. I could be talked around to Keats, who I remembered opened my game with a “fake” “town-aligned survivor” claim during Egyptian job.

I’m thinking cube is town; this is very their style.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

wologar posted:

What do you make of Hal and Keane?

I have no read on either really. Hal hasn’t posted much of substance and I’m not familiar enough with keane to have a feeling that I trust.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Sandwolf posted:

make an assessment

My assessment is that I've been noticing that this is a favorite D1 scum technique. It takes advantage of a weak case against someone and puts a focus on them in hopes that they'll say something that can be used to justify a scumrush. It's not as though you, or most other people, have exactly made a ton of strong reads.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Maerlyn posted:

I do want to vote one of the people Zoya mentioned, I will find it insanely hilarious if the entire scum team is contained in that group because they were afraid Zoya would mason one of them.

Alternatively zoya is scum and the whole thing is a gambit.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
Well time is running low so I'm going to go ahead and

##vote mortiz

I'm somewhat suspicious of people putting a lot of stock in zoya's thing, but it is day 1. Similarly I would be completely unsurprised to find out scum are trying to push cube or I, given that we've been easy day 1 targets in several recent games, for the same justifications given as this time around, and scum knows it. Moritz's participation just continues to be out of character though and it's by far my most solid opinion atm.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Sandwolf posted:

This feels like a bandwagon vote FoS :/ I kinda feel like I’m bullying you and I’m really trying not to but this feels very scummy.

My dude it was the literal first suspicion I posted in this thread, and he's tied for 3rd place in votes atm.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

fool of sound posted:

Oh, I didn't realize that the game actually started, whoops. Who needs to know their alignment or role on day 1 anyway?

I'm going to assume that the mortiz claim is sincere, since my experience is that their usual day 1 behavior is to snooze throughout. Similarly, as scum their playstyle would let them lurk their way through the first couple days easily. That said I don't have a problem with eliminating a negative utility role day 1, really.

Right fuckin here

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
The only thing that's changed is my opinion on how sincere the claim is

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Mr. Humalong posted:

"tied for third place" is doing a lot of work here lol

“Two votes including my own” is perhaps not the incriminating rephrasing you’re hoping for.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

quote:

Votecount for Day 1

CCKeane (4): wologar, shwinnebego, shwinnebego, Zoya, Maerlyn, CubicalSucrose
CubicalSucrose (3): Idle Amalgam, Johnny Keats, Johnny Keats, Johnny Keats, Mr. Humalong, Idle Amalgam, CCKeane
Tired Moritz (2): CCKeane, Sandwolf, Johnny Keats, shwinnebego, Johnny Keats, CCKeane, shwinnebego, fool of sound
fool of sound (2): CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose, shwinnebego, Hal Insandenza
Hal Insandenza (2): hambeet, Punkreas
Sandwolf (1): CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose, Tired Moritz
wologar (1): Idle Amalgam
Johnny Keats (0): CubicalSucrose, Maerlyn, CubicalSucrose, Maerlyn
Zoya (0): CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose
Punkreas (0): wologar, wologar, shwinnebego, shwinnebego
hambeet (0): Punkreas, Hal Insandenza, Hal Insandenza, Punkreas

Not Voting (0):

With 15 alive, it's 8 votes to execute. The current deadline is September 12th, 2023 at 9 p.m. PDT -- that's in about 3 hours, 30 minutes.

Starting to run low on time. I'm ok with going after keats for reasons I outlined in a prior post, but it's def not a very strong suspicion. I'm willing to jump to Keane to prevent a NL, but even on reread I just don't have any strong feelings one way or another about them. I don't want to vote cube; like myself they tend to attract d1 aggro because they don't to the d1 behavior standards or whatever, and their behavior this time looks exactly like town cube that I've seen in multiple games.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
I don’t think anyone thought your doc claim was serious, even less than cop

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
I'm happier voting keats than I am keane but I'll be more or less around for another couple hours. Tbh I wouldn't be adverse to a big swing to zoya to test how sincere their masonizer gambit actually was.

##vote keats

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
Keats why would you sincerely claim doctor day 1 before any serious pressure was even on you?

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
Yeah see, that sounds like a schrodinger's claim to me. You can spin it as a joke or sincere as convenient. I don't know why I should put much stock in it.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

CCKeane posted:

Late days posts are strange and feel more geared toward figuring out town zeitgeist than finding scum - the zoya post here is strange, especially since I'm not sure where the sincerity of the masonizer Gambit comes in?

That plus the reaction to Keats feel bad.

As I said earlier I think that zoya's masonizer claim could easily have been a coordinated scum gambit where some or them choose to claim masonabiity, knowing it probably won't get tested.


CCKeane posted:

FoS equivocates a LOT.

Yeah, I don't do the stupid rear end goon mafia kayfabe where I pretend my suspicions are ironclad until suddenly they're not

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

CCKeane posted:

Right, which is fine, but this is also combined with a lack of pressing people or otherwise attempting to scum hunt - your game has seemed very reaction based, which does make me suspicious, as it can be easier for scum to stay light and respond to cases rather than have to manufacture one.

It's day 1, please don't pretend any cases today are particularly meritous. They're mostly meta-reads and trying to find some easy target to avoid an NL.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
My only opinion on maerlyn is that I didn't like them unreservedly pushing zoya's gambit. I'm not sure I see anything else that pings me? What are you seeing?

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
We have an hour

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Maerlyn posted:

Part of me wonders if you claimed cop then doc hoping someone would bite and reveal themselves

That would be a really bad plan tho??

I think cube's right, the lack of counterclaim this deep in is a major point in keats' favor.

##unvote

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Johnny Keats posted:

Maerlyn want to kill Cube with me?

You were just swinging maerlyn as a lunch target? This feels crazy opportunistic.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
I earnestly think that killing zoya would give town the most useful information. If they're town, then we know that their gambit was legit and that scum probably didn't claim masonizability. If they're scum, then we know i's likely that other scum DID claim as such. Also they're probs going to end up mod killed despite their best efforts due to chain probe.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
##vote zoya

gently caress it I'll go for it.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
When I'm voted out by a scum rush day 1 again, just remember to execute the obvious scum who did so on day 2. Just like last game.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
##vote Maerlyn

who is almost strictly opportunistic

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
Cube you made this exact same mistake in the harry & the hendersons game. Let yourself be led by a last minute scumrush into killing me.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Maerlyn posted:

and what about Keats?

Unless someone counterclaims we shouldn't vote keats. Unless you're scum who want to kill the doctor, of course.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
Hey cube why did I see you visit Keats last night

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fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
##vote cube

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