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metallicaeg
Nov 28, 2005

Evil Red Wings Owner Wario Lemieux Steals Stanley Cup

spookygonk posted:

The bodywork is quite lovely, I guess this is for displays or contests?

I think you underestimate what people will do just for the love of the game

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Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

First thing I do to any car is upgrade the head unit, speakers, and throw an amp and sub in.

But I do it reasonably as I just want to enjoy music, not rattle bolts loose.

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007
That's not what gaslighting means you hyperbolic dipshit.

Laserface posted:

First thing I do to any car is upgrade the head unit, speakers, and throw an amp and sub in.

But I do it reasonably as I just want to enjoy music, not rattle bolts loose.

Hah this guy probably doesn't even install cable lifts in his car.

tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007


Need those ground staps to make sure your really grounded to the ground.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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tater_salad posted:

Need those ground staps to make sure your really grounded to the ground.

cant have pesky tires block your real pure unhindered ground

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Guys guys it's ok I have a grounding strap attached to the car

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!
A friend of mine loves to send me e-copies of audiophile wankmags and point out the insane things in them. He just sent me one, and I had to post the ad copy here:



A quick look on their website before I lost too many braincells, their fuses are directional and require burn-in between 50 and 250 hours. I found a price for one marked as "high-end" at a steal for 1,600 UK Pounds (USD2,000), but the ad there suggests they top out at UK 8,000!

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.



Hahahaha holy poo poo it's magic quantum crystals 2.0 baby!



£3,700 and you get your gold level socket identified with a bit of black marker written on the back.

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012




I wonder if those fuses actually function as fuses. As I understand it, it's tricky to design and manufacture and QA fuses that reliably trip when you want them to, but also don't trip or damage themselves while passing currents close to (but not over) their rated limit. I might be too cynical here but it doesn't feel likely that a company focused on ripping off audiophiles bothers hiring anyone with expertise in that niche domain.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

BobHoward posted:

I wonder if those fuses actually function as fuses. As I understand it, it's tricky to design and manufacture and QA fuses that reliably trip when you want them to, but also don't trip or damage themselves while passing currents close to (but not over) their rated limit. I might be too cynical here but it doesn't feel likely that a company focused on ripping off audiophiles bothers hiring anyone with expertise in that niche domain.

"Slow blow" fuses are designed to not immediately give out when over current rating as I understand it. Fast blow are supposed to break immediately at the right spec.

But yeah they are just wrapping regular fuses with printed stickers

https://www.airtaudio.com/product/qsa-home-audio-fuses/

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!
It makes me feel they missed a trick by not putting a blue LED inside the fuse so it glows like in the advert. I guess that would mean they couldn't just buy cheap fuses and sell them on, though.

movax
Aug 30, 2008

former glory posted:

I worked as an EE for a large electronics company many moons ago designing TV/audio broadcast control rooms and mobile trucks for events. Preamble to say that in those years I met and collaborated with some of the most obsessed and knowledgeable image/audio-philes out there, and absolutely none of them had any of the snake oil stuff that these guys obsess over. That’s why this stuff is so fascinating to me. :psyduck:

What they did religiously adhere to when it came to quality where the infrastructure rubber meets the road was:

- Common-mode noise cancellation. Never ever using an unbalanced connection anywhere. Ever. Everything is on an 3 prong balanced connection, especially due to wire lengths. You can immediately hear the difference

- grounding, grounding, grounding. Clean dedicated grounds for the plant. Avoiding ground loops at all costs by sticking to strict conventions when bonding wire shields at end points

- physical room treatment

- speaker quality, unfortunately, but up to a reasonable point. Assuming all speakers are of a reasonable quality, it’s the type and frequency response for the application that matters most. A studio monitor will be great for a tech in a treated room to pick out the most subtle details, but will sound dead and tinny as hell in someone’s rectangular drywalled den

Customers would sometimes pick out specific amps and mixer types, but that stuff had so an unbelievably subtle effect on the overall chain aside from a usability / workflow perspective. It’s actually so boring.

What I’d like to hear from these insane collectors are their $200k stereo speakers with the crazy horns etc. that’s probably wild and fun to hear compared to my basic setup.

Yep... that's all incredibly sensible. I don't run anything unbalanced at home unless I am forced too -- it's not that much more expensive and peace of mind is worth it. The other thing I do is always run optical where possible, because I'm lazy and just don't want to think about ground loops. My Sonos stuff is basically the only exception nowadays, but given that they are network audio players w/ everything integrated, you don't really have to think about ground loops. Line-in on the Amp is the only thing I wish was balanced.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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BobHoward posted:

I wonder if those fuses actually function as fuses. As I understand it, it's tricky to design and manufacture and QA fuses that reliably trip when you want them to, but also don't trip or damage themselves while passing currents close to (but not over) their rated limit. I might be too cynical here but it doesn't feel likely that a company focused on ripping off audiophiles bothers hiring anyone with expertise in that niche domain.

you are overthinking it, all they do it just paste a new label

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

lol amir is going after op-amp "rolling" [what a stupid name, how did it get called that?] and people are not happy
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/sparkos-ss3602-opamp-rolling-in-fosi-p4.61946/
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/does-op-amp-rolling-work.61518/

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007

Venerado, intrepido, y lagomorfo periodista de primera clase
Audiophilia is basically “natural diamonds” but for (mostly) hetero men.

We solved the problem of “more than good enough” and fully commoditized and ubiquitized the solution for pennies on the dollar, made it accessible to pretty much anybody who wants it, basically did wizard magic engineering over multiple generations and working lifetimes to get to this point, but that’s actually bad because mine can’t be special if I go with that easy off-the-shelf solution

trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Apr 3, 2025

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

IMO the natural response to diminishing hedonic returns on equipment should be to just get stupid about hoarding music and finding the most obscure weird crap to brag that you have.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

qirex posted:

lol amir is going after op-amp "rolling" [what a stupid name, how did it get called that?]

it comes from "tube rolling", the same thing but swapping tubes instead of opamps, and apparently thats called that because of the rolling motion you use to pull a tube out of a socket

Mr. Mercury
Aug 13, 2021



Music you own should always be the vast majority of your total expenditure on the hobby.

An audiophile without a NAS is a fool

death cob for cutie
Dec 30, 2006

dwarves won't delve no more
too much splatting down on Zot:4
you think so? how many copies of Aja can one person reasonably need? a NAS seems overkill

Mr. Mercury
Aug 13, 2021



death cob for cutie posted:

you think so? how many copies of Aja can one person reasonably need? a NAS seems overkill

At least 6 or 7 titled slightly differently, with at least a FLAC, MQA, and 128kbps MP3

cdc
May 28, 2007

Mr. Mercury posted:

At least 6 or 7 titled slightly differently, with at least a FLAC, MQA, and 128kbps MP3

No, vinyl, reel to reel, cassette and a wire recorder.

RoastBeef
Jul 11, 2008


death cob for cutie posted:

you think so? how many copies of Aja can one person reasonably need? a NAS seems overkill

The friendly local Linux iso repo has 23 different releases with ~4 different quality levels each.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Mr. Mercury posted:

Music you own should always be the vast majority of your total expenditure on the hobby.

An audiophile without a NAS is a fool

SAN sounds better

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




Unironically SONOS level gear is good enough for most people.

I have OK ears and a music background and they’re … good. Even 2x of their cheapest models are fine.

Extremely high WAF, too. 90% of what we listen to is very digital anyways.

My new trick for upsetting my audiophile leaning boss is ask him if his room is treated yet.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007

Venerado, intrepido, y lagomorfo periodista de primera clase

well why not posted:

Unironically SONOS level gear is good enough for most people.

I have OK ears and a music background and they’re … good. Even 2x of their cheapest models are fine.

Extremely high WAF, too. 90% of what we listen to is very digital anyways.

My new trick for upsetting my audiophile leaning boss is ask him if his room is treated yet.

sonos is horrible, and after the bullshit they pulled last year I’d never consider investing in their products or ecosystem. There’s nothing they offer that can’t be done better with AirPlay, Spotify direct, Tidal/qobuz, etc.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Palladium posted:

SAN sounds better

I want to read someone sincerely making this argument.

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




trilobite terror posted:

sonos is horrible, and after the bullshit they pulled last year I’d never consider investing in their products or ecosystem. There’s nothing they offer that can’t be done better with AirPlay, Spotify direct, Tidal/qobuz, etc.

yeah but I bought my stuff years ago so idgaf

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


well why not posted:

My new trick for upsetting my audiophile leaning boss is ask him if his room is treated yet.

Biggest bang for your buck. What's his excuse? Does he not want his poo poo to sound better? Does he not believe in the laws of physics?!

cdc
May 28, 2007

Olympic Mathlete posted:

Biggest bang for your buck. What's his excuse? Does he not want his poo poo to sound better? Does he not believe in the laws of physics?!

Well, not if he's an audiophile no.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

trilobite terror posted:

sonos is horrible, and after the bullshit they pulled last year I’d never consider investing in their products or ecosystem. There’s nothing they offer that can’t be done better with AirPlay, Spotify direct, Tidal/qobuz, etc.
I'm not giving them any more money but I wouldn't call it "horrible." one of the main reasons people were so upset with the new app is it was a genuinely good [if expensive] system before that. two of the base model speakers is a great sub-$400 bedroom system and none of the other small wifi speakers out now are as good value as the Era 100

Am I glad I don't have a hard dependency on their ecosystem anymore? Definitely, but the reason their fuckups are headline news is because they ruined something that was good.

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




Olympic Mathlete posted:

Biggest bang for your buck. What's his excuse? Does he not want his poo poo to sound better? Does he not believe in the laws of physics?!

He has a new house … and a wife who runs the finances.

YerDa Zabam
Aug 13, 2016



death cob for cutie posted:

you think so? how many copies of Aja can one person reasonably need? a NAS seems overkill

I had a music "mini-nas" of sorts with a Raspberry Pi zero 2 W running Moode. Easy to set up for anyone half tech savvy, and cheap as gently caress. That bit would put off the actual audiophiles most likely.
This reminds me, I'll have to set it up again since it has vanished in my recent home/brain chaos.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007

Venerado, intrepido, y lagomorfo periodista de primera clase

qirex posted:

I'm not giving them any more money but I wouldn't call it "horrible." one of the main reasons people were so upset with the new app is it was a genuinely good [if expensive] system before that. two of the base model speakers is a great sub-$400 bedroom system and none of the other small wifi speakers out now are as good value as the Era 100

Am I glad I don't have a hard dependency on their ecosystem anymore? Definitely, but the reason their fuckups are headline news is because they ruined something that was good.

“Google makes a good service, you just can’t rely on it because they’ll kill it in five years”

Like, okay. Sounds like a bad, unreliable service then

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.



YerDa Zabam posted:

I had a music "mini-nas" of sorts with a Raspberry Pi zero 2 W running Moode. Easy to set up for anyone half tech savvy, and cheap as gently caress. That bit would put off the actual audiophiles most likely.
This reminds me, I'll have to set it up again since it has vanished in my recent home/brain chaos.

I had something similar but I got too lazy to use it and now just use the marantz/denon built in streaming, including if I actually have the physical cd

Mr. Mercury
Aug 13, 2021



Streaming is very convenient but I make it a point to buy music as much as possible because if I like something, I wanna own it.

Also when my playlists get obliterated without warning due to licensing changes, it can be annoying!

Thrifting CDs, buying from Qobuz, bandcamp are all fairly affordable, which I like

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

trilobite terror posted:

“Google makes a good service, you just can’t rely on it because they’ll kill it in five years”

Like, okay. Sounds like a bad, unreliable service then

It was good for 20 years before they decided to very publicly step on their own dicks in order to launch some headphones nobody wants. They were an outlier in the tech industry, a company that makes good reliable hardware and usable software. Of course this led to them not being a $100B company or whatever so steps had to be taken to enshittfy. There were definite warning signs like the s1/s2 transition but I don't think anyone thought they would literally break the act of playing music for most of their customers with no warning. But headphones nobody wanted must be shipped.

Hellequin
Feb 26, 2008

You Scream! You open your TORN, ROTTED, DECOMPOSED MOUTH AND SCREAM!

well why not posted:

Unironically SONOS level gear is good enough for most people.

I have OK ears and a music background and they’re … good. Even 2x of their cheapest models are fine.

Extremely high WAF, too. 90% of what we listen to is very digital anyways.

My new trick for upsetting my audiophile leaning boss is ask him if his room is treated yet.

Room treatment is such a massively undervalued component in making things sound good, my roommate moved out back in September and I've been transforming his old bedroom into an office/music room/home studio. Part of that has meant putting up acoustic panels, foam on the door, and bass traps in the corners and everything just sounds so much better it's unbelievable, cuts down on sound spillover too. The first night I had my desk in here and threw on some music and listening in there started giving me a headache because of echoes.

We mastered speakers and amplifiers back in the '70s the only difference now is that you don't have to pay $5000 for a great setup. I'm like you in that I've got a music background, did years of ear training and can still hear upto 18500khz in my mid-30s and my $200 pair of bookshelf speakers are good enough that I see no reason to upgrade at all. Ditto for headphones really, I've got a pair of Shure-840As and I don't know what I'd really get out of paying hundreds of dollars more. Diminishing returns.

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May 8, 2012

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Hellequin posted:

Room treatment is such a massively undervalued component in making things sound good, my roommate moved out back in September and I've been transforming his old bedroom into an office/music room/home studio. Part of that has meant putting up acoustic panels, foam on the door, and bass traps in the corners and everything just sounds so much better it's unbelievable, cuts down on sound spillover too. The first night I had my desk in here and threw on some music and listening in there started giving me a headache because of echoes.

We mastered speakers and amplifiers back in the '70s the only difference now is that you don't have to pay $5000 for a great setup. I'm like you in that I've got a music background, did years of ear training and can still hear upto 18500khz in my mid-30s and my $200 pair of bookshelf speakers are good enough that I see no reason to upgrade at all. Ditto for headphones really, I've got a pair of Shure-840As and I don't know what I'd really get out of paying hundreds of dollars more. Diminishing returns.

I remembered seeing a vid on YT where russian music producers did a blind test of studio monitors in their treated studio. They overall preferred the cheapo neumi BS5p the most, beating stuff way more expensive like genelecs

which is in line from my firsthand experience: expensive speakers are very overrated if you are never gonna utilize their SPL potential, and if you gonna run with no room treatment or EQ it becomes a gamble so you might as well run with something cheap like the 305P

Palladium fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Apr 5, 2025

Hellequin
Feb 26, 2008

You Scream! You open your TORN, ROTTED, DECOMPOSED MOUTH AND SCREAM!
Yeah the only reason I can really see myself really upgrading is if I bought a pair of Yamaha HS5 or HS7 monitors or a pair of Yorkville YSM5s like my sister has (they're good). I'm not going to do that though, these Edifier 1700s are fantastic as far as I'm concerned. I do not give a poo poo that they're a "budget" brand. They're fine.

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Hellequin
Feb 26, 2008

You Scream! You open your TORN, ROTTED, DECOMPOSED MOUTH AND SCREAM!
Also it's kinda funny that a lot of the snake oil bullshit with the expensive stuff is now largely confined to speakers, because when you look over into IEM land, everyone is raving about something like the 7hz Zero2 which cost like $25. The Chi-fi brands and people like Crinacle really popped a bubble there. I remember back in 2009 when I was looking at IEMs for the first time there was a lot of "you need to spend at least $500 to have even a chance at a decent experience" type stuff.

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