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Count Roland posted:Do you guys actually think sending us troops to Gaza would be supported? They'll support some kind of "limited " engagement that will spiral, at least at this point. If Trump eats poo poo a couple times between now and then there might be more resistance within his own party.
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How many aid piers can be sent
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I mean, do you guys think this will happen? US boots in Gaza? Palestinians being expelled? Just a few days ago a trade war was about to stay involving Canada and Mexico, which amounted to nothing at the last minute. Surely this talk of Gaza will end up the same way.
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Feb 5, 2025 18:48
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Count Roland posted:I mean, do you guys think this will happen? US boots in Gaza? Palestinians being expelled? I wouldn't be so sure. I'm in DC where a bunch of unthinkable actions that will cause cascades of carnage to our national society and end up costing us billions and billions of dollars are well underway.
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Feb 5, 2025 19:18
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What's the math look like for war with Iran in the near future? I feel like US troops in Palestine would push the needle quite a bit on that one, but I also don't know jack poo poo about foriegn relation politics.
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Count Roland posted:I mean, do you guys think this will happen? US boots in Gaza? Palestinians being expelled? Who the gently caress knows if there'll be US boots on the ground in Gaza, but the point is this guy is openly cool with genocide and I'm pretty certain the supply of weapons to Israel won't stop if they start razing Gaza and the West Bank to the ground. Dick Bastardly posted:What's the math look like for war with Iran in the near future? I feel like US troops in Palestine would push the needle quite a bit on that one, but I also don't know jack poo poo about foriegn relation politics. Expect a war with Iran to be won by the US if it happens, and that the occupation will be ruinously expensive. Even if they pull what Bush initially wanted to do in Iraq and make the occupied people pay for their own occupation.
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Feb 5, 2025 19:39
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Count Roland posted:I mean, do you guys think this will happen? US boots in Gaza? Palestinians being expelled? I think it depends on how Trump is doing politically at the point of deployment. If he has eaten poo poo a few times between now and then he might have to put up with some objections. If he's rolling along he will have enough juice to get at least the initial deployment going, which will likely be all it takes to have the whole thing spiral. This stupid brand of adventurism is different from the Canada/Greenland thing in that it has an organized political lobby pushing it forward. AIPAC is a major player in US politics and they'll be greasing the skids to keep the momentum going on these promises, I bet.
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Feb 5, 2025 19:47
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Count Roland posted:Do you guys actually think sending us troops to Gaza would be supported? It would be unpopular in a 55/45 sort of way, and no meaningful pushback would ever occur. The strongest internal opposition would be from the Pacific Pivot guys who want to go all-in on opposition to China, whether they can actually talk Trump out of doing something who the gently caress knows, the man is not a rational decision maker.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Dandywalken posted:How many aid piers can be sent Aid piers? Just wait till the Donald J. Trump Boardwalk is opened up
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PittTheElder posted:It would be unpopular in a 55/45 sort of way, and no meaningful pushback would ever occur. Where can I go to find people in support of this, minus Aipac or Jpost. Seriously, a news site or forum or whatever. This really runs contrary to my understanding of US politics-- but then, little in the past few weeks has made much sense.
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Feb 5, 2025 20:07
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This is not a proposal to send troops, in trump's brain if you offered people in Gaza a home and a job and not to be bombed then they would obviously take that offer because you would be mad not to. e: and for the non trump bits of the administration that can think 2 moves ahead, rejecting this 'very generous' offer gives carte blanche for Israel to go ahead and do whatever.
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Feb 5, 2025 20:21
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Intent doesn’t necessarily matter. Remember this is the administrator that killed Soleimani and we only narrowly avoided an armed confrontation over that one.
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Count Roland posted:Where can I go to find people in support of this, minus Aipac or Jpost. Seriously, a news site or forum or whatever. This really runs contrary to my understanding of US politics-- but then, little in the past few weeks has made much sense. The entire viewership of Fox News? I think your mistake is assuming that the electorate will make a decision about the policy and use that decision to update their opinion about the administration implementing it, as opposed to it happening the other way around. If Trump is doing it, they'll support it.
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Could you link to an opinion piece or something arguing in favor? Not so much the expulsion of Palestinians (I'm not surprised Americans would support that) but Trump's notion of the US "owning" Gaza. I've not seen any support for that particular notion outside Israel.
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Feb 17, 2025 14:49
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Count Roland posted:Could you link to an opinion piece or something arguing in favor? Not so much the expulsion of Palestinians (I'm not surprised Americans would support that) but Trump's notion of the US "owning" Gaza. I've not seen any support for that particular notion outside Israel. I don't think the idea has cohered enough for anyone to defend it. Our point is that if it ever does cohere, Trumpists will defend it.
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Feb 17, 2025 19:52
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Count Roland posted:Could you link to an opinion piece or something arguing in favor? Not so much the expulsion of Palestinians (I'm not surprised Americans would support that) but Trump's notion of the US "owning" Gaza. I've not seen any support for that particular notion outside Israel. What you're looking for is the interview in the White House when Benjamin Netanyahu visited. You have to synthesize his viewpoint from the whole conversation, as is sometimes necessary with politicians who weave rather than distill to bullet points. Obviously I'm open to you interpreting it differently.
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Potato Salad posted:What you're looking for is the interview in the White House when Benjamin Netanyahu visited. You have to synthesize his viewpoint from the whole conversation, as is sometimes necessary with politicians who weave rather than distill to bullet points. No, that's the opposite of what I want. I know why Bibi and the Israeli right wants this. I don't know why Trump does but I don't care either, he says all sorts of weird poo poo. The part I'm struggling with is Main St USA wanting the US to own Gaza. Since the Iraq war boots on the ground has been quite unpopular, doubly so in the middle east. People don't want occupations or entanglements or the US being world policeman. This has been a mainstay of Trump's platform and is very important with his base. I've yet to see any indication that this attitude has changed. Nor have I seen anything that makes me think Gaza is a special case. But I'm willing to be convinced. I'm looking for evidence that regular Americans, of any stripe, are in favor of the US "owning" Gaza.
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Count Roland posted:No, that's the opposite of what I want. I know why Bibi and the Israeli right wants this. I don't know why Trump does but I don't care either, he says all sorts of weird poo poo. A number of voters will hoot and hollar in support for anything their chosen "team" in politics does, regardless of the actual content or wisdom of said choice. Another number of voters will shriek in ecstacy if given anything that even faintly smacks of "strong man" poo poo, and going "we will simply take someone else's land. It would be easy, for us." Appeals to them. So while I don't think you'll necessarily find a majority in favour of this, I'm convinced you're absolutely going to find a considerable subsection of mulch-brained idiots and fascists who are in favour. These are not groups of people who think in terms of consequences or costs, even if they'd be opposed to them if lead to them in a roundabout way or without context, merely in the immediately emotional payoff of "hell yeah my team" or "oh man my country STRONG!!!! STRONG!!!!"
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In addition to what Purple said, I believe a quick survey of the sheer popularity of certain proposed programs that haven't seen so much as a committee vote for over a decade in Congress indicates that what's popular and what we do are two very different things. As a specific example, a lot of the energy behind Trump in this prior election concerned issues & preferences that necessitate reeling in corporate power. Will this administration act on that surprisingly popular, surprisingly bipartisan mandate? Unlikely.
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Count Roland posted:[...] I'm looking for evidence that regular Americans, of any stripe, are in favor of the US "owning" Gaza. Does the attitude need to be explained? Is it hard to predict? They don't care. Not for, not against. What they want is to know what their team says and what the expected answer should be if asked. It shouldn't be a surprise that no friend of theirs would ask. Someone who has a team could have answered "I don't know" "I haven't the information necessary to satisfyingly answer questions on this subject" but that would be embarrassing. You say "I don't talk to the likes of you, X" and can now talk about the faults with x and why it's morally correct to hate x, or you leave, or you remember what the soundbite is and try to quote it as best you can. None in this demographic are interested in answers to any question they don't care about. The point is to make the dumbfuck questions go away. If Trump says a thing that's good enough because whatever this is about, it's happening to someone else. Who cares. ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Feb 17, 2025 |
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