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Sep 14, 2003

Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!

Borscht posted:

This may be the hottest take of the thread but I love YouTube premium. It’s the only streaming service I have.

It really is a huge qol upgrade if you watch a lot of youtube. Well worth the cost.

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Sep 14, 2003

Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!
JDAM's can be set to airburst FYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYApLv6kJnA

The crater size is hardly the smoking gun that it was a Hamas or IJ rocket misfire.

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Sep 14, 2003

Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!

A.o.D. posted:

The fact that the cars and surrounding buildings weren't completely shredded, however, is a mark against the cause being a JDAM.

Ok, SDB or MLGB then. Its not like the IAF doesn't have a whole range of different sized ordinance. Its not GBU-31's all the way down

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Sep 14, 2003

Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!

BUUNNI posted:

That doesn’t nullify what he said before. He’s clearly using media language to hedge his statement as to not make it so obviously bloodthirsty, our support will continue even while the Zionists genocide people, but we will have a “dialogue” while this happens.

Both outcomes, one with a “conversation” and the one without, end up in genocide committed by racist zionists and backed by the US.

Yeah, my take on his statement is "We will talk to them about toning down the genocide, but if they keep doing it and don't take our advice we are going to continue to give them everything they need to kill all the people of Gaza."

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Sep 14, 2003

Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!

BUUNNI posted:

This framework, of course, has been the standard for decades. There is nothing that will make us stop arming and funding Israel, evidently.

Historically at least, there have been times where the IDF stopped doing what they wanted to after the US stepped in and told them to stop.

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Sep 14, 2003

Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!

BUUNNI posted:

Can you provide me a link that goes over the history of the times the US stepped in? Genuinely curious.

Its usually through their roll in the UN, but the US played a big part in the ending of hostilities in the following conflicts.
1957 Suez crisis
1967 Six day war
1973 Yom Kippur war
1982 Lebanon war and siege of Beirut

Not so much lately

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israe...t%20a%20minimum

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Sep 14, 2003

Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!

Electric Wrigglies posted:

and if they wanted to be especially cheeky, they could say that because they attack the ammo magazine (with its ammo explosion blow off panels), that they are minimising human casualties - the crew should survive.

Based on the last clip of the Merkava brewing up I’m not sure that’s the case here.

Smoke pouring out the barrel while a huge jet of flame shoots out of your tank is usually a bad sign.

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Sep 14, 2003

Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!

Lum_ posted:

if only there was some possible end state to ths conflict that didn't involve the total annihilation of the other side. oh well, nothing for it, guess you got to pick a flag and kill everyone waving the other one.

If anything's radicalized me this war it's how the left has swiftly in less than a month moved from glee at Hamas' slaughter to outright denying it ever happened, 9/11 style. Roger Waters and Glenn Greenwald this week was a good example.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/roger-waters-false-flag-claim-hamas-attack-1234871588/

Who on earth considers Glenn Greenwald and Roger waters "the left" in the year 2023.

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Sep 14, 2003

Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!

Jarmak posted:

Piggy backing on this, some of y'all need to think back to just how much 9/11 broke brains and caused US politics to go insane for the better part of a decade. This attack was arguably much worse than 9/11 when it comes to psychological effect. The body count is not as high but the entire country has a population comparable to New York City. Also, the killings weren't from a single event but drawn out via direct personal violence, some of which carried shocking cruelty/brutality.

So you have the combination of the NYC "everyone knows someone affected" effect with a more psychologically traumatic mechanism for violence, and it shouldn't be surprising brains are broke as gently caress.

Which isn't to defend Israel's actions, but I can understand where they come from in the same way I can understand how the Israeli treatment of Gaza created a pressure cooker of anger and resentment that exploded into that horrible event.

And therein lay the issue at the core of retributive violence on a population level. It's very often driven by very real wrongs committed against people that have a very legitimate claim to retribution, but it is almost never visited upon those actually responsible for those wrongs. It only works if you stop seeing people as individuals and view them as dehumanized pieces of the country/ethnicity/clan/etc.

While this does seem to be happening there is a pretty big difference between the two events. Unlike the seemingly out of the blue major terrorist attack that 9/11 was for most Americans, this should not have been a huge surprise to most Israelis. It should not have the same "lose their mind" effect. Its an escalation of a long running conflict

The US was sowing the seeds of a terror attack prior to 9/11, but in a much more oblique way than the very direct way that Israel has prior to the 10/7 attack.

To me it seems much more of, "we already hate these people and wish they didn't exist and now they just attacked us. It's time to lay waste to them until the world makes us stop". The US was absolutely out for revenge after 9/11, but we didn't exactly send B52's to carpet bomb Kabul on 9/12.

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Sep 14, 2003

Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!

Jarmak posted:

I had a long response to this typed out and accidently lost it, but I'll say this:

There are people on this forum, and even in this thread, who feel strongly enough about this conflict that they feel compelled to rationalize away the deaths of innocent people by tying them to the crimes of the larger group they belong to (or hell in the case of some of them, just merely associate with). People who have no direct connection to this conflict at all are still able to be emotionally invested enough to rationalize the deaths of kids in their early 20s because they were insensitive about where they had a party. I was not empathetic enough, or aware enough, or thoughtful enough when I was 22-23 to see the ideological implications of most of the poo poo I was doing. Were any of you? Did we all deserve to be brutally murdered for being idiot kids?

So if unaffected people on the internet on the other side of the world feel compelled to dehumanize people like that to justify an outlet for their anger, how do you think it works for the guy who's coworker's son or daughter was beheaded? Do you think they're having a thoughtful introspection about the conditions and history that led us to this point, and then deciding this is their chance to finally be rid of the Palestinians? Or do you think they're going "Make those people pay and stop from them from ever hurting us again, and gently caress anyone who gets in the way" while rationalizing away every atrocity their side commits as either somehow necessary to that end, or that the victims somehow deserve to be lumped in with the people who need to pay?

The people in power in Israel who are making the decisions to flatten Gaza and push into the west bank right now are using the situation to further their ends. They aren't doing this systematic destruction purely out of rage.

I get what you are saying about the feelings of the people on the ground who have been directly effected by the October 7th attack. They have every right to be upset and to hate Hamas. They even can be justified, right or wrong at letting the hate for Hamas spill over to a general hate of Palestinians right now. But they aren't the ones in charge.

It also doesn't absolve the other world leaders who haven't strongly condemned the ongoing violence and in the US's case even continued military support for it, despite the constant stream of dead and dismembered kids that flows daily from Gaza.
Its not as though this is happening in the dark. Its being broadcast in 4k on social media. There is no "oh we didn't know how bad it was" excuse.

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Sep 14, 2003

Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!

shame on an IGA posted:

it's the same in that Iron Dome had led them to believe they were invincible

The wall and iron dome might have made them feel invincible, but it would be like the people of Seoul being flabbergasted to see the NK army blow through the DMZ. Shocked? sure, but surprised? probably not.

The US had its 2 great oceans to distance it from any aggressor. Sure they may blow up a Navy ship at a foreign port, or bomb an embassy somewhere. But that's as bad as it gets. An Israeli at most could say, yeah they regularly shoot rockets at us, but we have a defense system that shoots them down almost all the time. They are still aware that someone not too far away is trying to kill them on a regular basis.

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Sep 14, 2003

Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1723634283888161042


https://x.com/AvdullahYousef/status/1723717610288656757?s=20

lmao these are the clowns that people believed about decapitated babies and PIJ rockets hitting hospitals, don't ever give them the benefit of the doubt

e]not aimed at anyone in particular, just a big :psyduck:

Its very strong Sims 3 energy.

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Sep 14, 2003

Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!
2023 Hamas/Israeli War Thread: Cum QRF

Please?

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Sep 14, 2003

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Potato Salad posted:

The only test with respect to ethnic cleansing here is whether births are being forcibly prevented on the basis of ethnicity.

But the word in question is sterilization which is specifically a permanent procedure.

They were given contraceptives to prevent births which is ethnic cleansing. They were not sterilized to prevent births which is also a form of ethnic cleansing.

Words matter and using the wrong words gives people who want to deny ethnic cleansing room to maneuver.

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Sep 14, 2003

Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!

psydude posted:

Speaking of Russia, I've been seeing photos of Israeli tanks with cope cages welded on. They did practically nothing to help the Russians other than restrict visibility and I don't see why that'd be any different for Israel.

They aren't useful against things like Javelin or other top attack missiles but they have been somewhat effective in stopping drone dropped grenades down the loaders hatch. Since Hamas doesn't have high end top attack ATGMS, but does have drones it does make some sense.

They also don't have to worry about keeping a low profile since Hamas also has no tanks of their own.

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