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Tiny
Oct 26, 2003
My leg hurts....

Proud Christian Mom posted:

The only Palestinian American in Congress was just censured

https://twitter.com/CraigCaplan/status/1722093820718813652?s=20

What the Actual gently caress? Are they going to upgrade the congressional dress code to explicitly forbid head scarves next?

This whole thing is pissing me off. Yes, Isreal has a right to exist. Yes, they have the right to control their territory. Yes, they have the right to dispute what is and is not their territory to the UN.

They do NOT have the right to drive a people into the sea. They do not have the right to genocide. The the civilized nations of the world should be CLOWNING on isreal for doing what was done to them and not being able to realize they've become the baddies.

Someone else on these forums recently said it in a way that I thought made sense; I'm paraphrasing: "Your average isreali highschool kid, after passing the history class unit on the Holocaust, either thinks "This must never happen again", or "this must never happen again TO US". The folks who think the latter is OK seem to be the isreali equivalant of MAGA folks.

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Tiny
Oct 26, 2003
My leg hurts....

Lum_ posted:

Trump is extremely popular in Israel.


"Netanyahu - In Another League". Campaign poster playing up his personal connection to Trump (there's another one with Putin, which also didn't age well.)

So "Israeli MAGA folks" are in fact the majority, and yes, they are pretty much of the "Never Again (to us)" variety. Especially after 10/7, Gazans aren't seen as innocent, or even human; referring to them as "animals" in government statements has been depressingly common.



(note that in Hebrew, "human animals" (chayot adam) is frequently used to describe criminals and isn't *quite* as genocidal as it sounds in translation. It's still bad.)



With rhetoric like this being tossed around, it's hardly a wonder that the IDF isn't terribly concerned about the civilian body count.


I'm not involved and have no dog in this particular fight, but...

The mostly Jewish Israelis really don't see the parallels? The demonizing, the de-humanizing a whole population? The "Othering" of "Sub-humans"? They really can't tell one attempted genocide from another? They really can't see that they're doing a 9/11 style "We got hit and we're going to destroy a whole country over it" overreaction?

That's the part that is angering me enough to vote real hard about it (lol).


*sigh* I'm going to go touch grass and take a nice long walk tomorrow.

Tiny
Oct 26, 2003
My leg hurts....

Midjack posted:

It won't be mistargeted at all, they'll have some bullshit pretext that we won't even try to debunk.



"Well, you see, we had confirmed intel that this one person who murdered 50 pregnant women 5 years ago was hiding in that orphanage. He walked by a hamas member on the street and got photographed a few years ago. We cannot tolerate terrorism, so... Those children should have chosen better friends."

Is some poo poo I can see isrealis saying. I ain't got a problem with jews, but I DO have a problem with isreal currently.

How come folks here on these forums can distinguish between "Of course isreal has a right to exist", "isreal is bad", "Palestinians shouldn't be killed for existing, that's genocide, and I thought we all agreed that genocide was BAD" and "gently caress all jews antisemitism is my jam"?

How come they loving CANT explain those distinct viewpoints in the rest of the country and media? Seems like the mass-media narrative is that either you support isreal committing genocide on their "enemies" or you're a jew-hater.

There isn't a mass-media faction in america that supports the viewpoint of maybe stop loving killing people who can't fight back and have no ability to leave the killing fields.

Tiny
Oct 26, 2003
My leg hurts....
Honestly? At this point, with starvation running rampant?

Airdrop pallets of canned water and MREs. Put a live-streaming 360 degree camera on top of each pallette (or just a cheapass cellphone) to see who gets it.

Thing is, the isrealis are well supplied, if they steal the airdrops they haven't actually been helped. They had enough to eat and drink before stealing it, it's no net improvement to them other than denying to their enemy.

But the actual gazans? Even if they only get 1 out of 5 airdrops before the isrealis do it's worth it. And evidence of the isrealis stealing pure humanitarian aid would play well.

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