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Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

I just don't want anyone else to die :(

I have bad news, dude. They're gonna liquefy everything and everyone in there, and the west will cheer that poo poo on.

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Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

Don't Ask posted:

It wasn't, though.

It wasn't what?

Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

pantslesswithwolves posted:

What a loving chode. What does he expect to do other than get in the way?

gorge himself on the rich political capital of turning up to Israel, what else

Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

notwithoutmyanus posted:

The bigger question is when they wake up and realize how lovely they look because this is just not good. Pretty sure the body count is just rising from here and will accelerate from water shortages.

Plenty of voters will demand the cruelty increase. Why would they want it to stop?

Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

Proud Christian Mom posted:

Are we gonna bring back the Iran boogeyman now? We really are doing 2000s greatest hits

I seriously thought you guys were better than this yeah. what the gently caress lol

Luceid fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Sep 30, 2024

Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

TheWeedNumber posted:

At least the death stops for that long.

First time?

Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

psydude posted:

So the Houthis engaged in some casual piracy of a ship that only has a very tenuous link to Israel.

It looks like a fairly direct link to Israel in that it's still owned by Ray's Car Carriers despite being operated by the NYK group. I guess if you deny your enemy his ports to some degree, it's not a bad play to make people nervous about insuring those vessels or even going for that port entirely.

Why let your enemy's economy happily carry on if you're on hostile footing?

Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

psydude posted:

I'm not trying to be obtuse here, but how does hijacking a ship leased by a Japanese company that was transporting cars from Turkey to India deny Israel their ports and hurt their economy? I could see if the ship was bound for an Israeli port, maybe.

I'll have to check more after work because trying to juggle all this on a phone is annoying. If it's still an asset owned by an Israeli oligarch then it's not too surprising. I'm thinking of the flurry of activity post invasion to put pain on Russian elites, but I am leaving assumptions on the table about how this ownership is structured. Sure, it's going to also sting the Japanese group renting the boat, but surely it's also a pain point for the owner?

Edit: ok yeah I need to check on a sane device later because I'm seeing two different ship names being posted around now??

Luceid fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Nov 19, 2023

Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

pmchem posted:

brave dudes taking an unarmed, empty, civilian ship

Almost as brave as the IDF bombing hospitals and apartments! Gotta start somewhere.

Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

Kazinsal posted:

Man, I don’t think anyone had “forced circumcision of enemy combatants” on their war crimes bingo card for this one :stare:

Actually, this raises a question: seeing as there’s no way you could spin it as necessary medical procedures, if done on a captured combatant that would count as mutilation of a POW and thus be against some kind of international law of war, right?

I mean if you lose the war and get prosecuted, sure? In theory? Otherwise I can't see anyone getting in trouble for this, the west is in total psycho mode where all the lever-wielders are giving in to their most base impulses.

Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

RoyKeen posted:

I'm not sure what the point is of these videos that are edited to show nothing. It looks cool, I guess, but I've never seen a real result of these moves. Maybe someone places something on an APV? It shows poor tactics for the Israelis but in the end it's just some Tik ToK propaganda.

There's no maybe involved about that part of it.

Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

I really really don't understand why some of you guys still insist on giving Israel the benefit of the doubt about any of this stuff given how consistently they lie about civilian deaths. They've been doing it for loving decades at this point.

Something about not wanting to give in to extremist exaggerations or something, nevermind that every Israeli ministry release is basically true on opposite day and claims the most insane poo poo.

Given the history of loose RoEs throughout history and all the panic and confusion on the day, and the interviews now, and it really is not that extreme to assume that IDF helicopters wound up splattering some percentage of ravers. What percentage? I dunno, but shooting vehicle guns nearby probably wasn't a great idea so the burden of proof is probably on them to prove the exploded cars aren't caused by helicopters.

It wasn't a bad derail, and bulletsponges insight into why it's a possibility was cool.

Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

knox_harrington posted:

any action Israel takes is illegitimate, because the country shouldn't exist. And any action Hamas takes is legitimate, because Israel shouldn't exist.

Hell yeah.

Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

knox_harrington posted:

At least we established that y'all agree that Israel is a country that a) does exist and b) has a right to exist.

I disagree. Israel is an occupying force and a genocidal ethnostate, and should be forcibly dismantled! The violence visited upon the occupying force, of which the armed settlers are part of, is justified and 10/7 was justified too. Your response?

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Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

knox_harrington posted:

Setting aside that this view is exactly why Israel behaves in such a belligerent way; if you don't understand what a "country" is it makes sense that you also can't understand what is and is not permissible for military forces to do in conflict.

Countries behaving in a manner such as Israel suck rear end, and I am unmoved by reference to some vague notion of statehood (or whatever) as a defense for their rabid dog behavior biting everyone in range, their politicians arguing for the use of starvation and epidemics against the Palestinian people, and so on.

The old adage sticks: if everyone you meet acts like an rear end in a top hat, you might be the rear end in a top hat. Israel cries that everyone hates them, while lashing out as the latest in a long line of violent colonial projects. How stinkin' odd!

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Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

psydude posted:

To go back and review the last 4 pages because we just finished discussing this at length and don't need another 4 pages rehashing the same arguments.

I kindly disagree with the IDF defense crew here, you can turf me out of the thread if those are the rules but you don't get to say that we all agree when clearly we don't!

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Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

McNally posted:

Ok, calling this thread the "IDF defense crew" clearly eradiates any credibility that you're here in good faith, so I'm just going to go ahead and tell you to gently caress off out of this thread and to never come back.

Not the whole thread, just Knox and Psydude. I think better of gip than that, dude.

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