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Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Hi friends, I am back from a terrible day and I am looking forward to going to the ball with my best beau shwinn... so we cannot kill him today, sorry.

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Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Wologar sent me a message right before the day ended yesterday asking how I felt about grandi and sandwolf, I think he was starting to think they were maybe scummy. I replied that Sandwolf seemed to be laying pretty low as far as being vocal about cases and grandi was even more so, so I can see either of them being scum

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

I am having a hard time figuring out why shwinn would have lied about hiding, but I am not sure that claim-state at the time he did so , and if there was anyone outside of RWC who could have potentially tried to visit and blow up the claim. If you think he's lying than it would seem RWC would have to be scum with him and I am just having a hard time seeing why they feel the need to go all-in fake-claiming together there. Seems too risky to me

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

I appreciate the humor in cube shooting keats for sure, but in every way that just seems like a scum move. Buuuuuuut there is the YPM thing, that would be a weird spot to blow up a scumbro unless the scumteam was in disarray from the meen hammer and YPM was like bus me for super town cred and ride it to the end. I dunno, I won't rule cube out as scum entirely but probably better places to look today

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

I really dislike the TMor vote by the end of that day and I bet scum were happy to get on that.

I think it was Sandwolf who was like "NO WAY WOULD YOU WANT VANILLA AS BACKUP ROLE" but doesn't blink an eye when Pmuzz basically claims the same thing. (I consider the backup choice of "just give me whoever has cool flavor" on the same level as saying just give me vanilla)

PhantomMuzzles
Jun 23, 2022

It's a puzzle.

Hal Incandenza posted:

I think it was Sandwolf who was like "NO WAY WOULD YOU WANT VANILLA AS BACKUP ROLE" but doesn't blink an eye when Pmuzz basically claims the same thing. (I consider the backup choice of "just give me whoever has cool flavor" on the same level as saying just give me vanilla)

TMor chose vanilla for his second choice. That is what I found extremely suspicious. I chose Messenger for my second choice, not vanilla. I merely said that if the esteemed hosts prefers, they could choose humor over randomness if I ended up with a backup.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

PhantomMuzzles posted:

TMor chose vanilla for his second choice. That is what I found extremely suspicious. I chose Messenger for my second choice, not vanilla. I merely said that if the esteemed hosts prefers, they could choose humor over randomness if I ended up with a backup.

ohhh well ok then!

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

I still don't like it though!

I think Keane had first pick in a WIFOA and took vanilla one time. Did anyone murder him??? (probably)

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

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Rhymes With Clue posted:

I thought you got redirected/had your results messed with N1

My results got stolen by Wol yeah but no redirection or anything like that, best I can tell.

Rhymes With Clue
Nov 18, 2010

A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage
Sorry about your bad day Hal, but at least you have a dance partner. I guess I will just stay home with my knitting, as usual!

Now let's just think for a minute here that perhaps as some have suggested the setup here is fire & ice. I mean, of course that would be ridiculouslly overcomplicated but hear me out.

In such a case, both scum teams would know it from the outset. In such a case, Iggy might not have been partners with Muse and therefore might not have known Muse was a bomb; Cube could be partnered with Iggy and not with Muse, and therefore is free to go after Muse. And everybody has to scumhunt--which could explain a lot.

Cube shot without particularly caring who he was shooting, as long as it wasn't someone on his team.

Day 1 Cube votes EGalz (town), Hal (??), wologar (town), and ends on birdstrike (town)
Day 2 Cube votes Muse (scum)
Day 3 Cube votes wologar (town, again) and Tired Moritz (town)
Day 4 Cube votes shwinn, shoots Keats

Cube has not voted for me, Grandicap, Phantom, Iggy, or Sandwolf

Okay this is ridiculously overcomplicated, yes--but where are we again?

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Rhymes With Clue posted:

Sorry about your bad day Hal, but at least you have a dance partner. I guess I will just stay home with my knitting, as usual!

Now let's just think for a minute here that perhaps as some have suggested the setup here is fire & ice. I mean, of course that would be ridiculouslly overcomplicated but hear me out.

In such a case, both scum teams would know it from the outset. In such a case, Iggy might not have been partners with Muse and therefore might not have known Muse was a bomb; Cube could be partnered with Iggy and not with Muse, and therefore is free to go after Muse. And everybody has to scumhunt--which could explain a lot.

Cube shot without particularly caring who he was shooting, as long as it wasn't someone on his team.

Day 1 Cube votes EGalz (town), Hal (??), wologar (town), and ends on birdstrike (town)
Day 2 Cube votes Muse (scum)
Day 3 Cube votes wologar (town, again) and Tired Moritz (town)
Day 4 Cube votes shwinn, shoots Keats

Cube has not voted for me, Grandicap, Phantom, Iggy, or Sandwolf

Okay this is ridiculously overcomplicated, yes--but where are we again?

I mean I guess it isn't THAT complicated, I don't know if I have ever seen two teams just called "SCUM" before but doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

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Sandwolf posted:

I will explain this after game (I didn’t)

What?

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

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CubicalSucrose posted:

Okay catching up after work but I don't see how Mycelia has a Hide when they supposedly targeted me N1.

I could be misreading that early D2 post.

Shwinn's case on Sand isn't bad but I'm not particularly inclined to vote out Sand today if we can help it.

RwC, if town, can clear themselves at night by sharing results. Less useful to eliminate them, but I still do think it could be Shwinn + RwC.

The Hide lie didn't really make sense to me. But here's a possible explanation?

Myc pirated Cube N1. I had gotten a vig N1. Maybe Myc got a vig as well and that's why they were suspicious (because I'd claimed backup). Shwinn mourner's Myc's VIG and needs to come up with some excuse. Hider claim seems safe and is something RwC can "confirm."

Now scumShwinn+scumRwC need to stay alive today, NK someone, then vig tomorrow and win?

Okay maybe this is me going galaxy-brain. But doing some endgame math.

7 alive now, 5 / 2
mis-elim is 4 / 2
NK is 3 / 2
If it's shwinn+RwC and they DO have a vig, they win.

So we're possibly in mis-elim-and-lose territory right now. Unless Shwinn actually got a Hide somehow, which I don't see. Sand's posts about their role are pinging me.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

CubicalSucrose posted:

Okay maybe this is me going galaxy-brain. But doing some endgame math.

7 alive now, 5 / 2
mis-elim is 4 / 2
NK is 3 / 2
If it's shwinn+RwC and they DO have a vig, they win.

So we're possibly in mis-elim-and-lose territory right now. Unless Shwinn actually got a Hide somehow, which I don't see. Sand's posts about their role are pinging me.

Did we decide it was impossible to get from Mycella?

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

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Hal Incandenza posted:

Did we decide it was impossible to get from Mycella?

I think it's most likely that Mycelia visited me on N1, based on their D2 post.

I think it's almost definitely true that Mycelia did NOT visit Sand (the actual Hider) on N1, given Keats/Sand N1 interaction, strongly suggesting that Sand actually Hid on N1.

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Hal Incandenza posted:

Did we decide it was impossible to get from Mycella?

I am almost certain that mycelia robbed sand n1, and I was given their hide upon their death

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

CubicalSucrose posted:

I think it's most likely that Mycelia visited me on N1, based on their D2 post.

I think it's almost definitely true that Mycelia did NOT visit Sand (the actual Hider) on N1, given Keats/Sand N1 interaction, strongly suggesting that Sand actually Hid on N1.

Could they not have visited Sand N2 and got a hider and then died right after?

I mean I’d love to think it’s shwinn and RWC and it’s that easy but it seems rather misplayed if it was to tie themselves together like that. Unless it’s the vig thing you mentioned and they just have to survive the day. But when Keats was still alive that would have meant two days even with the extra vig

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Feeling good about Hal

I’m definitely still sand -> grandi -> rwc


Cube is an outside chance

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Hal Incandenza posted:

I still don't like it though!

I think Keane had first pick in a WIFOA and took vanilla one time. Did anyone murder him??? (probably)

Keane also made a point to announce he was doing that and has done so in every WIFOA since

Rhymes With Clue
Nov 18, 2010

A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage
That vig shot. With 8 players, do you risk shooting a teammate? If you are town, and don't know your teammates?

I don't care how much they're needling you.

##vote Cube

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


shwinnebego posted:

I am almost certain that mycelia robbed sand n1, and I was given their hide upon their death

No I should have been untargetable on n1

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Alright turning brain off ##vote Shwin if it’s Grandi or Hal I’ll be fuckin’ rustled

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

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Hal Incandenza posted:

Could they not have visited Sand N2 and got a hider and then died right after?

I mean I’d love to think it’s shwinn and RWC and it’s that easy but it seems rather misplayed if it was to tie themselves together like that. Unless it’s the vig thing you mentioned and they just have to survive the day. But when Keats was still alive that would have meant two days even with the extra vig

Oh, Hider from Sand N2 is a good thought actually. Resolution order assumptions, but fair.

Survive 2 days unless I mis-shoot. It's probably not unlikely that I shoot today. But with the Myc N2 thing, the Shwinn case isn't as good as it looked earlier today.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

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Rhymes With Clue posted:

I tried to voyeur Shwinn but he was hiding so it failed.

Question for Shwinn though, claimed to have got a watch as mourner N2, and a hider N3, but I thought it was only every other day.

Who did you try and share your gossip to? Would the whiffed action stop the gossip as well?

Rhymes With Clue
Nov 18, 2010

A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage

CubicalSucrose posted:

Who did you try and share your gossip to? Would the whiffed action stop the gossip as well?

the whiffed action stopped the gossip. It would have been shared with you.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Rhymes With Clue posted:

##vote shwinn

That hider claim is just bothering me.

Rhymes With Clue posted:

##unvote

I see it's 4 votes now so I will wait.

I dunno this still looks bad. Like trying to avoid being linked together.

Then once a cleaner explanation for Shwinn + RwC comes out, starts to flail.

I guess there's a chance it's RwC but not Shwinn? That seems less likely to me, but could explain the hesitation in revealing results today.

Rhymes With Clue
Nov 18, 2010

A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage

CubicalSucrose posted:

I dunno this still looks bad. Like trying to avoid being linked together.

Then once a cleaner explanation for Shwinn + RwC comes out, starts to flail.

I guess there's a chance it's RwC but not Shwinn? That seems less likely to me, but could explain the hesitation in revealing results today.

I doubted shwinn's hider claim, first because my results were worded differently than when I tried to target Sandwolf (who said he was hiding, and the result sure sounded that way). And then because, you know, where did shwinn get hider?

But yeah, a cleaner explanation appeared. I don't 100% buy it but I also don't completely reject it.

Rhymes With Clue
Nov 18, 2010

A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage
Results in first case were basically that I couldn't find him, in the second case (shwinn) that my action just failed.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Rhymes With Clue posted:

I doubted shwinn's hider claim, first because my results were worded differently than when I tried to target Sandwolf (who said he was hiding, and the result sure sounded that way). And then because, you know, where did shwinn get hider?

But yeah, a cleaner explanation appeared. I don't 100% buy it but I also don't completely reject it.

This doesn’t really line up with what you’ve done in thread

The very first thing you said was that you couldn’t visit shwinn because he was hiding, nothing about weird results or even suspicion. At another point you even said well the hide could be from mycella

When there was more heat on shwinn you voted there just saying you doubted the claim but no reason given why, and then you unvote again in your next post. You then tried to generate suspicion a few other places without much traction before coming back around to shwinn and only now do you mention the different result

Maybe it is you as scum without shwinn

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Oh I was slightly off, you agreed with the pirate possibility after you unvoted. It’s still suspicious to me you didn’t reveal the result language discrepancy before now though

PhantomMuzzles
Jun 23, 2022

It's a puzzle.
I find it somewhat suspect that, though this is a Ball and we are here primarily to dance, some attendees were rather lax in attempting to secure partners.

After my original dance partner Keats was dragged away from me while we waited by the dance floor, I had assumed that all other partners had been spoken for. However, my mother impressed upon me the importance of participating in the dancing, so I set about to find a new partner. As an intelligent person, I did so systematically, alphabetically. And to my surprise, there was still one available!

I began by asking Cube to dance, and was informed they already had a partner.

Next I asked Grandicap, and to my great delight they accepted!

Now what gives me pause: it would appear that very early in the day, Keats and I became dance partners, and Hal and Shwinn became dance partners. Assuming RWC is telling the truth about being single, that means that at some point, Cube and Sandwolf became partners.

So why, I ask myself, did Grandicap and RWC not ask each other to dance? They had plentiful time to do so. Could it be they did not see a point in doing so, because perhaps they already have a secret wicked dalliance?

Furthermore, I asked Grandicap to dance less than ten minutes before RWC first posted about being still single. Could it be that Grandicap informed RWC of my invitation in their secret wicked conversation?

Despite my suspicions, I would still prefer not to vote for Grandicap because I am excited to dance with them. However, I am becoming more and more suspicious of RWC.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

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Votecount for Day 4

shwinnebego (2): Grandicap, PhantomMuzzles, CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose, Grandicap, Sandwolf, Rhymes With Clue, Rhymes With Clue, CubicalSucrose, Sandwolf, PhantomMuzzles, Sandwolf
CubicalSucrose (1): Rhymes With Clue
Sandwolf (1): shwinnebego, shwinnebego, shwinnebego

Not Voting (3): Grandicap, Hal Incandenza, PhantomMuzzles

With 7 alive, it's 4 votes to execute. The current deadline is November 03rd, 2023 at 10 p.m. CET -- that's in about 5 hours, 29 minutes.

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Sandwolf posted:

No I should have been untargetable on n1

*n2

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Where the heck is grandi

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

I’m gonna go with my heart ##vote RWC

I’d be ok with grandi probably or Sandwolf, would vote shwinn if I had to

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

I keep forgetting phantom, but I get mostly town vibes there right now

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Hal Incandenza posted:

I’m gonna go with my heart ##vote RWC

I’d be ok with grandi probably or Sandwolf, would vote shwinn if I had to

I think I'm either RwC or Shwinn today.

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo



No. I should have been untargetable on N1. I can’t hide every night.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

I exist, just dealing with life stuff at the moment.

I don't think id lurk this badly as scum, but maybe if my team wasn't really in danger.

I still think it's shwinn.
Pmuzz and rwc are the only other two id consider voting at this time.

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PhantomMuzzles
Jun 23, 2022

It's a puzzle.

Hal Incandenza posted:

I keep forgetting phantom

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