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Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Yami Fenrir posted:

Again, I have literally demonstrated my power on you, why are you ignoring this

Well that’s not your only power! One example isn’t covering your whole role

Also to be pedantic, before I claimed you said “I know all 3 of Hal’s powers” and only after I said I was a doc did you say “yes he’s a doc” so you never actually demonstrated you knew anything for real before I claimed

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shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


hambeet posted:

who tomorrow tho shwinney?

who tomorrow?

Yami tbh

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Hal Incandenza posted:

Well that’s not your only power! One example isn’t covering your whole role

Also to be pedantic, before I claimed you said “I know all 3 of Hal’s powers” and only after I said I was a doc did you say “yes he’s a doc” so you never actually demonstrated you knew anything for real before I claimed

I completely flipped my scumread on you upside down tho?

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Yami Fenrir posted:

I completely flipped my scumread on you upside down tho?

Also like I already said, I was mistaken about your masonry thing, how often do I have to repeat that hal

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
Anyway,

I implictly trust hum, Cuz unless this is some god tier bussing this is just town. The only reason I'd revisit him if we keep getting no-nk nights and chain yeeting town.
I also trust Hal implicitly because I know he has a doc power because I copied it - and there has been zero evidence of any additional non-scum kills other than vigs dayvig, which wouldn't be covered by the doc. So Hal pretty much simply has to be town in my mind.
Same with Josef because of the confirmed gunsmith - we have both that and a miller.

Strong town read on RWC, for nailing wolo. The power could exist outside of the scope of town PRs which is why I'm not willing to write it down as mechanically confirmed as town, but it's close.

I'm actually unsure about egalz and moritz, they're too lurky to tell for sure. I've been leaving them be because of the cop, but now I'm not entirely sure if I trust the cop anymore.

I'm still very paranoid about beet. We know that he visited nobody n3 due to the position which does give him some credit, but it's also very possible that he ran into the hum self-jail or whatever it was.

As for shwinn... I still don't think he's scum but I do agree with hum that the flavor is strange and the action choices kind of stink. Copping the lurkers seems townie but giving them the apples seems kind of suspect. I've seen cursed gift giving roles before so I'm wary of that.

Ultimately I think shwinn's the best option for today. There is a good chance he's a 3p, and if we're wrong we still confirm two players as town.

##vote shwinn

Mr. Humalong
May 7, 2007

##vote shwinn

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


why is giving apples to the people i know are town sus?

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


anyway i don't think town can lose with the number of confirmed town and protective powers in play

if you do flip me just don't forget that yami might be the final scum/anti-town

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


i still think it's gotta be beet first

claims to be functionally vanilla, unverifiable night actions, many reasons why his potential NKs have failed

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

shwinnebego posted:

why is giving apples to the people i know are town sus?

TMoritz and Egalz (especially the latter) are pretty much non-entities and unlikely to be targeted by the NK with both hum and hal being around imo.

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


well at the time i was thinking hum and hal might be scum, so

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

shwinnebego posted:

well at the time i was thinking hum and hal might be scum, so

You thought hum was scum when he was leading the charge against meen?

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
Railed on illu fairly early too, so that read seems kinda weird

Mr. Humalong
May 7, 2007

shwinnebego posted:

why is giving apples to the people i know are town sus?

Giving an apple to the claimed bodyguard is whatever, it’s fine. Giving an apple to the (now) functionally VT who has managed to cast a single vote all game is, uh, a choice. You also seemed annoyed at not being able to do it last night even though nobody died. I don’t think the last remaining non-town is going to be gunning for TMor over several other people in the game.

Combine that with you also claiming to have an activated BP and the ability to create a masonry, none of your action names really fitting your flavor, your flavor being noticeably different from literally everyone else in the game…it’s a lot for me to believe.

Rhymes With Clue
Nov 18, 2010

A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage
I have a lot of good reasons to want to vote shwinn and not a lot of reasons to vote anyone else.

I thought Yami saying he knew all Hal's abilities and not saying what they were is not bad. withholding that information until Hal had said it seems reasonable enough. Ofc this would also work if Yami was scum/3P.

I do think Yami ought to full claim. Everybody else has except TMor I think, and we all saw what TMor can do even if we don't know the flavor.

Back to reasons to vote shwinn, he confirmed TMor and EGalz as town, which is something he could have done as scum also. If he's 3P he wouldn't have been sure but who is gonna come in and say "No actually I am not town"? I think TMor did say he wasn't comfortable being confirmed town, which is a stance I don't really understand.

Anyways, if shwinn flips town we at least have undeniable mech confirmation of two players. If he's a threat to town then hopefully that does it. It seems kind of unfair that we spent three days flipping only scum and the game's still not over.

Not voting yet, there's plenty of time left. This game has been more night than day, it seems like..

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Rhymes With Clue posted:

I have a lot of good reasons to want to vote shwinn and not a lot of reasons to vote anyone else.

I thought Yami saying he knew all Hal's abilities and not saying what they were is not bad. withholding that information until Hal had said it seems reasonable enough. Ofc this would also work if Yami was scum/3P.

I do think Yami ought to full claim. Everybody else has except TMor I think, and we all saw what TMor can do even if we don't know the flavor.

Back to reasons to vote shwinn, he confirmed TMor and EGalz as town, which is something he could have done as scum also. If he's 3P he wouldn't have been sure but who is gonna come in and say "No actually I am not town"? I think TMor did say he wasn't comfortable being confirmed town, which is a stance I don't really understand.

Anyways, if shwinn flips town we at least have undeniable mech confirmation of two players. If he's a threat to town then hopefully that does it. It seems kind of unfair that we spent three days flipping only scum and the game's still not over.

Not voting yet, there's plenty of time left. This game has been more night than day, it seems like..

I already fullclaimed, I just haven't claimed my recent actions.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Yami Fenrir posted:

Yeah, this is what I was thinking yesterday too.

With the speed people were caught I'm mostly certain it's only town that did the action, although I trusted shwinn before that.

Anyway, I'm Jules Massenet. (Funnily enough I used to be the guy that died in the n0 kill but asked to have it swapped out)

I've got an item creating ability (based on the characteristic, I make an oneshot). I now know all 3 of Hals powers and am pretty sure he's town. Not going to say what I did with the thing or what it is though.

Second, I can do the same thing, but target two players - essentially creating an item for another player.

Third is the windmill flavor action which is useless.

Rhymes With Clue
Nov 18, 2010

A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage

Yami Fenrir posted:

I already fullclaimed, I just haven't claimed my recent actions.

Okay, fair, I forgot you'd done that after wolo flipped.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
How about this.

I will claim one of the abilities I copied if Hum thinks I should do so.

I don't want to reveal the other just yet.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
It's just that I have no new info so I feel like claiming what I have only really benefits scum/3p

Mr. Humalong
May 7, 2007

Yami Fenrir posted:

How about this.

I will claim one of the abilities I copied if Hum thinks I should do so.

I don't want to reveal the other just yet.

I am fairly confident that shwinn is the one and if he’s not I will block beet tonight. I’d say just reveal it. Is it like my passive or something?

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Mr. Humalong posted:

I am fairly confident that shwinn is the one and if he’s not I will block beet tonight. I’d say just reveal it. Is it like my passive or something?

No it isn't.

I got a copy of Keats retroactive track.

Probably going to use it tonight.

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Mr. Humalong posted:

I am fairly confident that shwinn is the one

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
Any particular action you think is worth checking hum?

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
my body beg for hambeet blood

Mr. Humalong
May 7, 2007

Yami Fenrir posted:

Any particular action you think is worth checking hum?

I think if we don’t flip shwinn definitely track his n1 or n2. If we flip shwinn and he’s town and confirms the cop actions then you could maybe confirm one of my roleblocks? If he’s town and not a cop check anyone besides Hal lol

Mr. Humalong
May 7, 2007

Votecount for Day 5

shwinnebego (2): Yami Fenrir, Mr. Humalong
Yami Fenrir (1): hambeet
hambeet (1): shwinnebego

Not Voting (5): EGalz18, Hal Incandenza, JosefStalinator, Rhymes With Clue, Tired Moritz

With 9 alive, it's 5 votes to execute. The current deadline is January 23rd, 2024 at 3:30 p.m. EST -- that's in about 1 day.

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Mr. Humalong posted:

I think if we don’t flip shwinn definitely track his n1 or n2. If we flip shwinn and he’s town and confirms the cop actions then you could maybe confirm one of my roleblocks? If he’s town and not a cop check anyone besides Hal lol

Why would I be town and lying about my seer checks?

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

shwinnebego posted:

i still think it's gotta be beet first

claims to be functionally vanilla, unverifiable night actions, many reasons why his potential NKs have failed

thread has seen two of my powers: my day vig d1, and I masoned you and Hal n1.

Josef actioned copped my third power yesterday when I drank the potion, the one about sending messages after I die.

So that’s all three of my powers. I don’t have four like you, nor does anyone else so far…

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

##vote shwinney

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

:slick:

Rhymes With Clue
Nov 18, 2010

A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage

Tired Moritz posted:

my body beg for hambeet blood

Well so far you have voted out one town and no scum so forgive me if I don't entirely trust your reads here.

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Rhymes do you actually think I’m more likely scum than beet at this point

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)

Rhymes With Clue posted:

Well so far you have voted out one town and no scum so forgive me if I don't entirely trust your reads here.

i didnt want to vote for keats....

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.





Grimey Drawer

Tired Moritz posted:

my body beg for hambeet blood

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.





Grimey Drawer
Driving now but I still suspect beet lied about the potion to buy time to ask the mod if he'd be tracked to a hider and only drank when he knew he'd be safe

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

JosefStalinator posted:

Driving now but I still suspect beet lied about the potion to buy time to ask the mod if he'd be tracked to a hider and only drank when he knew he'd be safe

Thats a good point but the annoying part is with all the other mod errors i can't tell the difference between that and an actual error

Rhymes With Clue
Nov 18, 2010

A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage

shwinnebego posted:

Rhymes do you actually think I’m more likely scum than beet at this point

Right now I think the likelihood is you>TMor>beet

But I know nothing for sure.

(I may have got that > thing backwards, in which case I think it's clear anyhow)

Rhymes With Clue
Nov 18, 2010

A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage

Tired Moritz posted:

i didnt want to vote for keats....

Why not? And you DID vote for Keats. Do you only vote for people you don't want to vote for?

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JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.





Grimey Drawer

Rhymes With Clue posted:

Right now I think the likelihood is you>TMor>beet

But I know nothing for sure.

(I may have got that > thing backwards, in which case I think it's clear anyhow)

The alligator eats the bigger number

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