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The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
fun fact, CDs are literal spirals with one long track, not sectors like a hard drive. they are designed to be able to play with no buffering so the bits can go directly from the laser to the DAC. it’s basically a phonograph but with digital encoding.

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The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
thats not exactly true, there’s also to 8-to-14 decoder and the time codes. but still basically no ram required.

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

Internet Old One posted:

You sound smart. What was meant by the “8 times oversampling” that my cd player was so proud of itself for?

no loving clue

echinopsis posted:

so as opposed to this, what’s a sector on a hard disk, in a physical sense?

are hard disks rings?


on vinyl it’s a constant rate of spin so do the outer tracks carry more information? and similarly how to digital media deal with this? bits at max squash at the mid and less at the outer? or some fancy technology that compensates for this ?

a hard drive is rings (“cylinders”) cut into slices (“sectors”). then there’s a third dimension (“heads”) because platters are double-sided and there is often more than one, and each has its own read-write head.

cds are not constant rate of spin, but not continuous either. they have 3 zones (inner, middle, and outer) and the disc changes speeds between them. the encoding is set to match the rotational velocity, not linear velocity of the disc. I.e. the holes get elongated as you approach the outer edge of the disc

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
op your thread is infested with vinyl fetishists. I have no choice but to recommend gassing to keep them from spreading.

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
when do iPods come back in style? I have a few ready to be used

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

how do tracks work? i.e. how does the player know where to advance to when you hit 'next track'

CDs have a table of contents at the start that lists the tracks, kind of like a partition table. however, there are no discrete blocks on audio CDs. instead they use time codes. there is a very low bitrate signal encoded in the data stream that contains the current time (if the disc were one long track including the track number). the table of contents lists the time codes of each track start. your cd player seeks to approximately where that would be on the disc, starts reading, and adjusts itself until it finds the time code it wants.

a cd player doesn’t need to keep track of what the current track is or the time, it can display the track and time codes directly from the disc with no processing. sometimes you’ll see a cd player show -1 seconds before a track starts. that’s literally in the time codes on the disc.

The Management fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Jan 31, 2024

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
CDs were designed to be read by extremely simple ASICs with basically no compute power. like I said, they’re basically phonograph records with digital encoding.

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

graph posted:

are audiophile morons

yes

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
I have no devices capable of playing a cd at my house. I do still own many CDs though for reasons

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

echinopsis posted:

with cd rom did that have much more redundancy and whatever compared to the phonograph nature of audio cd

CD ROM dedicated 256 bytes out of every block (2304 bytes) to error correction data. the cross-interleaved reed-solomon encoding ECC made them very resilient to clustered errors. this means that they are very good at recovering from errors caused scratches on the disc surface, even if the scratch is parallel to the track path.

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

echinopsis posted:

cds are great tho

like they worked out how high frequency we can hear. doubled it for ny good reason

and 16 bits.. it’s a sufficient number of bits

they doubled it for a very precise reason, the Nyquist–Shannon sampling theorem, which is a fundamental rule of digital sampling. it basically says you can perfectly encode any analog signal if you sample it at twice the maximum frequency.

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The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

Internet Old One posted:

Aren’t Sony CD DACs just good in general?

no, they suck

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