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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
invent by philip in 1973 to springboard michael jackson to stardom the compact disc (or “CD”) is a round disc 100mm in diameter which has shiny pits that represent ones and zeros

these ones and zeros encode data and that data encodes music. block rockin beats. this was called black book

later they realised you could encode other data onto these discs and they call that yellow book

then at some stage they made it so CDs could be made of plastic and you could zap them with a laser and make your own. this was good for stealing music and games



all in all CDs are round. then they made DVD. then HD-DVD. then the playstation 3 I think.

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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

post hole digger posted:

do you like cds echi?

ye man

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Dijkstracula posted:

:actually: the digital audio standard is called the red book (and the SACD format is the ~scarlet~ book because it's fancier audio :eng101: )

post your favourite CD format specifications, mine is the green book because interactive movies will be the future

e: actually no it's the CD+G extension to the redbook because I am a sucker for stock karaoke b-roll footage

which one was brown book

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

The Management posted:

thats not exactly true, there’s also to 8-to-14 decoder and the time codes. but still basically no ram required.

the parallel port of digital music



so as opposed to this, what’s a sector on a hard disk, in a physical sense?

are hard disks rings?


on vinyl it’s a constant rate of spin so do the outer tracks carry more information? and similarly how to digital media deal with this? bits at max squash at the mid and less at the outer? or some fancy technology that compensates for this ?

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

akadajet posted:

do kids like cds over records? I feel like records are neater from a kid perspective.

the primary benefit of vinyl, and nothing will surpass this until it does, is that the album art is BIG

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
next you’ll be telling me people enjoy live music

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

The Management posted:

no loving clue

a hard drive is rings (“cylinders”) cut into slices (“sectors”). then there’s a third dimension (“heads”) because platters are double-sided and there is often more than one, and each has its own read-write head.

cds are not constant rate of spin, but not continuous either. they have 3 zones (inner, middle, and outer) and the disc changes speeds between them. the encoding is set to match the rotational velocity, not linear velocity of the disc. I.e. the holes get elongated as you approach the outer edge of the disc

thankyou for this sick as gently caress insight

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I had a video ipod and me and exwife took it on overseas holiday and I only had harold and kumar go to white castle so we ended up watching that movie at least a dozen times

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
on that tiny fuckin screen

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
it fascinated me how they worked out how to put sound between songs

like you couldn’t skip to it, but it wasn’t part of the previous track. you had to go to the previous track and let it go past the end to hear it

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
also things started happening as far as song length and time goes etc

on dark side of the moon or wish you were here the original vinyl just lists the songs in order

but when they made the cd they had to put a stake in the ground as far as when one song starts and another finishes


also on copies of reign in blood they hosed up the start of raining blood and put the end of postmortem as the start of it so you get videos of kids playing along to raining blood but starting with the end of postmortem hahahahah classic funy times

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I think anyway . lol

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

graph posted:

are audiophile morons still paying $$$ for gen 1 ps1s

my 14 yo tells me “dad your ps1 can play cds!” and i’m like “i know :smugmrgw:

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

The Management posted:

CDs were designed to be read by extremely simple ASICs with basically no compute power. like I said, they’re basically phonograph records with digital encoding.

this is sick

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
am I remember correctly that there were multiple kinds of RW cds that weren’t compatible

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
with cd rom did that have much more redundancy and whatever compared to the phonograph nature of audio cd

and I spose DVD is just a new Cd

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
The pits and lands do not directly represent the 0s and 1s of binary data. Instead, non-return-to-zero, inverted encoding is used: a change from either pit to land or land to pit indicates a 1, while no change indicates a series of 0s. There must be at least two, and no more than ten 0s between each 1, which is defined by the length of the pit. This, in turn, is decoded by reversing the eight-to-fourteen modulation used in mastering the disc, and then reversing the cross-interleaved Reed–Solomon coding, finally revealing the raw data stored on the disc. These encoding techniques (defined in the Red Book) were originally designed for CD Digital Audio, but they later became a standard for almost all CD formats (such as CD-ROM).
c



cool

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
yes who isn’t rn

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
is there a formal difference between disc and disk



my mum used to call my 3.5” floppies “tapes” and tbh they are just a big flat round tape

cds are not tapes tho

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
cds are great tho

like they worked out how high frequency we can hear. doubled it for ny good reason

and 16 bits.. it’s a sufficient number of bits


like, back in fuckin rotors day they nailed it

from a practical point of view cd audio is about as good as it can get




on vinyl did they ever do parallel tracks? like imagine if you let the record play and it played some track but if you put the needle there you could sometimes get a different track?



also remember when cds could store track names ? cool



imo they should do a retro cd player and you put the cd upside down and the laser instead of being on a screw it’s on a swing arm like vinyl. now that would be sick



playstation cds we’re black. is that how it knew they were legit

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

polyester concept posted:

disc is optical and disk is magnetic

what about vinyl co that’s neithe



hang on Im looking this up and seems like you’re making it up

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
herniated disc or disk?

depends if magnetic or optical

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
now that’s the kind of poo poo that I love

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

The Management posted:

CD ROM dedicated 256 bytes out of every block (2304 bytes) to error correction data. the cross-interleaved reed-solomon encoding ECC made them very resilient to clustered errors. this means that they are very good at recovering from errors caused scratches on the disc surface, even if the scratch is parallel to the track path.

seems like back in the day when data space was more scarce they made all sorts of good engineering decisions

The Management posted:

they doubled it for a very precise reason, the Nyquist–Shannon sampling theorem, which is a fundamental rule of digital sampling. it basically says you can perfectly encode any analog signal if you sample it at twice the maximum frequency.

I slipped a wee typo into my post on purpose ;)

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
cd is the analog of digital

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
the thing that seems very cool about cds is they seem a bit “hackable”, like people learned to abuse them a bit, for example tracks before track 1, you could only access by rewinding and some players couldn’t do it

and the management basically letting us know that they really are the analog of digital. a big gently caress off wav file

remember when cd players became capable of reading mp3 off of cd rom? that was cool in a way but I prefer knowing the cd player is doing gently caress all computing

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
and they were invented way earlier than I ever imagined was possible :woah:

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
:synpa:

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
ears are burning

someone’s talking poo poo about cds

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

poo poo that rules

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
bullshit

I saw it and it was black :foldarmsemoji:



was the blackness part of the drm

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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
there was something they did to make copying them difficult tho right

I had my ps1 mod chipped so it could play my backups

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