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MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Popoto posted:

Now, this is my question, which my friends had no answers for: this supposedly came about from the payment processors exerting pressure on Gumroad (remove NSFW or else...). Isn't that what also made OnlyFans almost pivot to safe for work content a few years back? Aren't payment processors supposed to just act as a path for the money, leaving the legality of a thing according to the place the money is being traded from?

Visa and Mastercard have been an unspoken major controller of the porn and adult industry for a while. Really, they basically have the ability to control just about any industry that primarily sells online as long as they can come up with some reasoning. Here's an fun article from a few years back about the porn. (and here's a paywall-less mirror)

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Mar 17, 2024

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Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
If you think pornhub is bad, consider sites like motherless and efuckt. There's plenty of other sites that you'll find within 5 minutes of browsing reddit. Then there's Tor, IRC, usenet, I could go on. No one is doing a drat thing about them.

This is pure security theatre and a way for the right-wing to continue the grift. Banning pornhub will not prevent people from uploading revenge or kiddie porn.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
The best porn is the porn you can conjure with your imagination and you also don't have to worry about paying commission fees or removing social security-stealing malware

Bula Vinaka
Oct 21, 2020

beach side
https://samhyde.gumroad.com/

Mudlark
Nov 10, 2009

Bonzo posted:

If you think pornhub is bad, consider sites like motherless and efuckt. There's plenty of other sites that you'll find within 5 minutes of browsing reddit. Then there's Tor, IRC, usenet, I could go on. No one is doing a drat thing about them.

This is pure security theatre and a way for the right-wing to continue the grift. Banning pornhub will not prevent people from uploading revenge or kiddie porn.

The reason the payment processors 'ban' the likes of PornHub is because they don't want to waste resources in legal fights/investigations/warrants/etc that leave them culpable due to poo poo like FOSTA-SESTA. Which, yes, is a direct result of right-wing grifting, but it's also the law now which means companies have to throw money at it like chaff. And it's way easier to just say 'nah' and pull out than it is to deal with constant horse poo poo. Security theater that you're forced to comply with still takes real funding.

Diabetes Forecast
Aug 13, 2008

Droopy Only
I'm honestly real glad that I never bothered to set up a patreon or gumroad cuz I thought they were kinda rear end to begin with. I guess it means I can do that stuff with whatever platform becomes the next big boy and get in ground floor before they poo poo the bed in 10 years.

Huge bunches of my friends and their friends are getting affected by this bullshit though. this may very well bankrupt multiple artists before it can be solved.
On the plus side, it seems there's an organized effort for a class action lawsuit happening, and last I checked it already reached 700 or so signatures. People are finally getting sick of having to duck and cover everytime this poo poo happens, and hopefully that turns out well.

NoiseAnnoys
May 17, 2010

EorayMel posted:

The best porn is the porn you can conjure with your imagination and you also don't have to worry about paying commission fees or removing social security-stealing malware

FlocksOfMice
Feb 3, 2009
Maybe everyone should realize porn is bad? If you feel the need to look at porn, instead look at Jesus while he hangs on the cross for your sins. When you want to stare longingly at someone's chest, make it Jesus' chest, and the wound thrust through it that weeps. Lactation? There's some fluids coming out the breast for you to consider! You into feet? What about our lord and savior's nailed to the cross? You into snuff? You will be after you're forced to edge for 16 hours to images of Jesus' passion!

Big Ass On Fire
Jun 16, 2023

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NoiseAnnoys
May 17, 2010

*pointing to the family holiday portrait*

Big rear end On Fire posted:

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Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

Mudlark posted:

The reason the payment processors 'ban' the likes of PornHub is because they don't want to waste resources in legal fights/investigations/warrants/etc that leave them culpable due to poo poo like FOSTA-SESTA. Which, yes, is a direct result of right-wing grifting, but it's also the law now which means companies have to throw money at it like chaff. And it's way easier to just say 'nah' and pull out than it is to deal with constant horse poo poo. Security theater that you're forced to comply with still takes real funding.

I agree with you here. There's also a huge cost to store user's private data. Each state and county is coming up with their own laws around data privacy and companies have to hire dedicated people and buy software to properly track it.

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

FlocksOfMice posted:

Maybe everyone should realize porn is bad? If you feel the need to look at porn, instead look at Jesus while he hangs on the cross for your sins. When you want to stare longingly at someone's chest, make it Jesus' chest, and the wound thrust through it that weeps. Lactation? There's some fluids coming out the breast for you to consider! You into feet? What about our lord and savior's nailed to the cross? You into snuff? You will be after you're forced to edge for 16 hours to images of Jesus' passion!

Those Jesus crosses should wear some clothes he's practically naked!

FlocksOfMice
Feb 3, 2009

Duck and Cover posted:

Those Jesus crosses should wear some clothes he's practically naked!

Do you know how much medieval writings there are about the sexuality and sensuality about Jesus' death. Full on mystic saints having hallucinations after not eating for 30 days about them lying in Jesus' tomb cuddling his corpse and nursing his spear-wound and becoming married to him. Spontaneous Jesus induced orgasms. Jesus is naked and ripped on the cross because it IS a snuff fetish fetish. The entirety of the religion is niche porn.

kdrudy
Sep 19, 2009

Wasn't gumroad the place a bunch of onlyfans people ran to when OF briefly suggested they wanted to get away from porn and then quickly backtracked on the possibility of losing 95% of their content.

Grey Cat
Jun 3, 2023

Doing stuff and things


Where the hell am I supposed to sell my feet pics if OnlyFans dies?

Lucky Guy
Jan 24, 2013

TY for no bm

Grey Cat posted:

Where the hell am I supposed to sell my feet pics if OnlyFans dies?

door to door sales are a industry begging to be revitalized

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

kdrudy posted:

Wasn't gumroad the place a bunch of onlyfans people ran to when OF briefly suggested they wanted to get away from porn and then quickly backtracked on the possibility of losing 95% of their content.

That was Fansly.

Grey Cat
Jun 3, 2023

Doing stuff and things


Lucky Guy posted:

door to door sales are a industry begging to be revitalized

Can I come in? Wow what a lovely home!
Alright so this is a bit of a special, sort of a buy one get one. Now we offer a wide variety of foot stuff if you'd like to see our offers. You would? Great. Ooh excellent choice! So for me to step in some yogurt it would normally cost $50 but if you pay in cash today it's only $30 I'll throw in picking up something with my toes absolutely free. You want pictures? No problem, it's only an extra $10 for the picture package.

git apologist
Jun 4, 2003


would it be effective to just ban pornhub, or anyone doing hosed up poo poo, rather than the whole industry? wouldn’t that be a more effective way to incentivise not acting like poo poo?

Smugworth
Apr 18, 2003

DM me for prices for my spicy feet pics

Bad Purchase
Jun 17, 2019




i ethically source my porn using AI so that no real person is forced to experience the pleasures of flesh

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
Yeah, vacant soulless eyes is something people already paying extra for.

Henry Lee Mucus
Dec 11, 2003

Hey boyz

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If you looked at that you owe me $9.95

Smugworth
Apr 18, 2003

Henry Lee Mucus posted:

Hey boyz

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( . Y . )

*

If you looked at that you owe me $9.95

would you consider a trade with some of my spicy feet pics

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
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I literally only know Gumroad from people trying to sell their pornographic drawings, so I can't see this going well.

citybeatnik
Mar 1, 2013

You Are All
WEIRDOS




Bonzo posted:

I agree with you here. There's also a huge cost to store user's private data. Each state and county is coming up with their own laws around data privacy and companies have to hire dedicated people and buy software to properly track it.

Further complicated by there not being a central repository of said info which'll bite whatever replacement various creators move to.

I don't mind paying for porn directly to those who produce it. I do mind that my wheelchair bound governor has decreed that i'd apparently have to scan in my ID or whatever to each god drat site individually.

Farg
Nov 19, 2013
I've never paid a dime to cum and God willing I never will

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Hell Gem
Forget gumwa try funwa

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

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Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Hell Gem
Oh this is about porn.

gently caress paying for porn, that’s for chumps.

I about died laughing when I found out that only fans pages were all scams too where you pay for access to a page that lets you pay for access to the content.

Never pay for porn, not even once.

Lucky Guy
Jan 24, 2013

TY for no bm

Smugworth posted:

DM me for prices for my spicy feet pics

wearing pickled jalapeno slices on my toes like rings

Henry Lee Mucus
Dec 11, 2003

Smugworth posted:

would you consider a trade with some of my spicy feet pics

I have my own feet and I’ll jerk it to them thank you very much

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Hell Gem

Henry Lee Mucus posted:

I have my own feet and I’ll jerk it to them thank you very much

So will I

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.
Jade Ear Joe

MikeJF posted:

Visa and Mastercard have been an unspoken major controller of the porn and adult industry for a while. Really, they basically have the ability to control just about any industry that primarily sells online as long as they can come up with some reasoning. Here's an fun article from a few years back about the porn. (and here's a paywall-less mirror)

quote:

They wield this power in total discomfort and do so by relying on a cadre of satraps responsible for making precise and occasionally bizarre distinctions — what distinguishes a performer dressed as an alien from bestiality, what are the conditions of acceptable vampire sex — that determine exactly what you can and cannot see.

...

Visa and Mastercard have no explicit rule against blood. But most payment companies and banks in the Visa and Mastercard networks associate blood with violence or mutilation, which is prohibited. So blood is banned, even blood obviously made of ketchup. This is a disaster for vampire porn, which is akin to a forbidden good on the internet. And it puts special constraints on female performers like Stoya. “We’re raising people who are becoming sexual in a culture where menstruation is completely erased,” she says.

glad im not into vampires loving. that sounds like a real pain in the neck, ha ha ha

William Henry Hairytaint
Oct 29, 2011



Mudlark posted:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/12/40-jane-does-sue-pornhub-for-hosting-girlsdoporn-videos-seeking-2m-each/
https://fortune.com/2023/12/21/pornhub-federal-lawsuit-sex-trafficking/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/14/business/mastercard-visa-discover-pornhub/index.html

Do better and maybe the judgemental mentality could go beyond 'rampant enabling of illegal and quasi-legal content on the top pages on the entire internet' into something worth calling a proper snipe-hunt. Yes, porn is totally legal and cool and nobody is saying it isn't. But when you have PornHub and other sites flying in the face of actual litigation and the neo-satanic panic inherent to the child/sex trafficking stuff (which DOES happen albeit not at the rampancy suggested by the fucko Qanon types), of course payment processors are going to pick their loving sticks up and go home. That's also not to mention the pure amount of fraud and bullshit that piggybacks off the adult entertainment industry which makes already super risk-averse industries like goddamned payment processors way less likely to take a risk on you, especially if your tittybar website doesn't even enforce their own TOS. This is explicitly why you don't see an 'R-rated' payment processor. The card providers and banks aren't going to take the risk as a whole, and good luck getting PCI auditors on board, which directly cuts your small time business completely out at every level.

But I mean, go off, duderino. Sorry I attacked your drug. I've only been working in the biz since I turned 18 and I obviously don't know what I'm talking about. Also thanks for the misgender :)

Nobody knows or cares what your gender is and you look like a loser for trying to use that as some kinda coup-de-grace on top of your argument

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Hell Gem
I identify as a porpoise

mekyabetsu
Dec 17, 2018

Bum the Sad posted:

I identify as a porpoise

one joke

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Flowers for QAnon
May 20, 2019

A+ website, gonna sell my top 10 babes list

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