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Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
If you don’t have chain of copyright over something, it’s not a deliverable, it’s a potential lawsuit.

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kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

Will AI replace SFX cues? Maybe someday. But it isn't there yet that's for sure.

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

i cast maximized necropants
Hi friends, I'm making the jump from craft services to writing-directing my first short this august. If any of you have any suggestions as to how to not blow this majorly I'd love some advice.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Not industry but made a few shorts.

I’d say prepare and plan as much as you can and stick to your guns even if it gets tough.

Also make sure the sound is good and get someone to do good post work on sound.

And if you want it to go to festivals keep it under 15 preferably 10 mins

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

I would agree that the #1 thing that can gently caress up a production no matter how big or small is sound.

If you film everything and find out that your buddy you met at Barney's actually had no idea what he was doing and hosed up the sound the entire production is a waste.


Also don't paint wherever you film, you will have to paint it back!

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Sound was gonna be my #1 too. In lieu of that, just surround yourself by people that know what they're doing as much as you can. I know a short film largely doesn't have a huge budget, but there are people out there that will help you produce, source some indie crew etc. Don't try to do everything yourself!

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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I think I cooked my giant expensive short film because of bad sound mixing. To be fair to me I literally ran out of money and the person who was supposed to do it apparently wasn’t ever going to do it so I had bad Intel

Also another thing, vet and double check that everyone can do what you’re asking. And always have 10 back up plans.

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

Also use acquaintances instead of friends, is my advice. Friends will get bored and say dude we have to move on when you are trying to get a shot or a line right. But gently caress that, they can be bored. Get it right! Or every time you watch it you'll think man gently caress Jeff for telling me to move on instead of getting what I want.

Productions that have annoying directors generally end up better. When James Cameron made Terminator people on the production thought he was INSUFFERABLE. Yeah and what happened? It was tight, made visual sense, and was full of great shots and iconic lines and delivery of those lines was impeccable. Even if you're making a 10 minute short, be James Cameron.

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
Agreed about sound. got something that shopped beautifully and the sound wasn’t recorded right so it would take me 100 times longer to post produce.

I would say a short film is about one thing. One central question, one challenge. The more you can stick to that, the better. It’s like a short story or a poem in that way.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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I would say don’t be James Cameron and be a cool person instead but still get your shot. No one’s gonna want to work with James Cameron if they aren’t getting paid a lot or having something huge to put on their resume.

There’s no need to be an rear end in a top hat imo.

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

Find a line between pushover and rear end in a top hat haha


I'm just saying get what you need, don't let them talk you into settling

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

PHIZ KALIFA posted:

Hi friends, I'm making the jump from craft services to writing-directing my first short this august. If any of you have any suggestions as to how to not blow this majorly I'd love some advice.

Don't get too stressed and make sure to have a seasoned AD to whip things into shape if need be.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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kiimo posted:

Find a line between pushover and rear end in a top hat haha


I'm just saying get what you need, don't let them talk you into settling

sometimes you have to settle. Time is money especially when you have none. Also people do get tired and you shouldn't overwork them to exuastion for your little short.

Idk I have specific thoughts on this and may not be right as some of those things I settled with bit me in the rear end later in post but still.

Kull the Conqueror
Apr 8, 2006

Take me to the green valley,
lay the sod o'er me,
I'm a young cowboy,
I know I've done wrong
OP if you’re coming from craft you know but as long as you get the food right your crew will march straight into hell for you

Narzack
Sep 15, 2008

PHIZ KALIFA posted:

Hi friends, I'm making the jump from craft services to writing-directing my first short this august. If any of you have any suggestions as to how to not blow this majorly I'd love some advice.

Like CelticPredator said, prepare extensively. Go in with a plan, know your shots, know your setups. And yeah an AD will save your life.

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

i cast maximized necropants
thank you all for your advice. i will endeavor to walk away from this without burning more bridges than i create. and hell yes i'm going ham on food, one of my friends manages a Crumbl and has a restaurant depot card so we're gonna do up some bahn mi hot dogs with onigiri for snack.

Oh my gosh rejecting actors sucks!!!! aaaauuugh!!!! oh this is the worrrst. no matter how many compliments i couch it in it always reads like "thank you for your time kind strangers but i must grind your dreams into the muck!!!! you are not good enough for my precious words!!!"

i'm hiring a casting director next time this suffering, this anguish!!!!! oh it's too much!!!!

PHIZ KALIFA fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Jul 19, 2024

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


PHIZ KALIFA posted:

Oh my gosh rejecting actors sucks!!!! aaaauuugh!!!! oh this is the worrrst. no matter how many compliments i couch it in it always reads like "thank you for your time kind strangers but i must grind your dreams into the muck!!!! you are not good enough for my precious words!!!"

i'm hiring a casting director next time this suffering, this anguish!!!!! oh it's too much!!!!

Don't worry they'll get used to it. If they can't get used to it then they won't last long in the profession.

I'm an animator so basically an "actor but through the medium of a cg program" and i get rejected all the time. I just add it to the pile.

Narzack
Sep 15, 2008

PHIZ KALIFA posted:

thank you all for your advice. i will endeavor to walk away from this without burning more bridges than i create. and hell yes i'm going ham on food, one of my friends manages a Crumbl and has a restaurant depot card so we're gonna do up some bahn mi hot dogs with onigiri for snack.

Oh my gosh rejecting actors sucks!!!! aaaauuugh!!!! oh this is the worrrst. no matter how many compliments i couch it in it always reads like "thank you for your time kind strangers but i must grind your dreams into the muck!!!! you are not good enough for my precious words!!!"

i'm hiring a casting director next time this suffering, this anguish!!!!! oh it's too much!!!!

Don't worry about it. I think they get rejected more than writers. It's part of the game.

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

i cast maximized necropants
I bought a VHS camera from the state surplus auction site and it died immediately after I put the cassette in. Have any of you shot on video before? Is there a specific brand of camera more reliable than others?

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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How'd you mean died? Generally speaking professional tape gear is going to have survived better than consumer devices but they're pretty complex bits of kit so to some extent it's luck-of-the-draw.

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

i cast maximized necropants
The mechanics that opened/closed the VHS compartment stopped working, nothing displayed through the viewfinder, and the power LED indicator turned off, even though it was plugged in. It literally went to "wow everything seems to be working" to "a pile of parts" within the space of 3 minutes. like it just had enough life left to convince the surplus office it was worth selling.

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

i cast maximized necropants
double post humble brag but my documentary debuts tonight. im gonna be sick. im gonna poo poo puke and puke guts. im rolling on the floor begging for death. i am a golden god. never do this again. i want to make another movie right now.

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
Link to the floor

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

PHIZ KALIFA posted:

The mechanics that opened/closed the VHS compartment stopped working, nothing displayed through the viewfinder, and the power LED indicator turned off, even though it was plugged in. It literally went to "wow everything seems to be working" to "a pile of parts" within the space of 3 minutes. like it just had enough life left to convince the surplus office it was worth selling.

If it's an original piece might be that one of the components, say a rubber belt, has rotted away or at least become too slack to function.

A common occurrence with old tape recorders for sound. Imagine the same is true of tape recorders for images.

PHIZ KALIFA posted:

double post humble brag but my documentary debuts tonight. im gonna be sick. im gonna poo poo puke and puke guts. im rolling on the floor begging for death. i am a golden god. never do this again. i want to make another movie right now.

The best feeling.

FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Oct 12, 2024

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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edit nevermind

CelticPredator fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Oct 13, 2024

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Would anyone in the industry mind picking their brain on how to get into (any level) the industry? Or lend some advice? I've hit every wall trying to figuring this out and I don't know how to further progress.

PriorMarcus
Oct 17, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

CelticPredator posted:

Would anyone in the industry mind picking their brain on how to get into (any level) the industry? Or lend some advice? I've hit every wall trying to figuring this out and I don't know how to further progress.

Where do you live and what part of the industry do you want to get into?

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Colorado. I just want to make a film. To put it as simply as that. I know I post about this a lot, probably too much. I just have had a lot of starts and stops and am kind lost at this point. I got kinds close, brushed shoulders with people in the industry, but it just fell through.

I see all these films that end up on Tubi that cost probably well under a million, but enough to get made, and just want to know how that happens.

PriorMarcus
Oct 17, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

CelticPredator posted:

Colorado. I just want to make a film. To put it as simply as that. I know I post about this a lot, probably too much. I just have had a lot of starts and stops and am kind lost at this point. I got kinds close, brushed shoulders with people in the industry, but it just fell through.

I see all these films that end up on Tubi that cost probably well under a million, but enough to get made, and just want to know how that happens.

drat. I'm in the UK personally, and editing, so I won't be able to help. But I'm sure a lot of the other goons here will try. Sorry mate.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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You're good! I'll take any bit of advice. Also probably best to PM me so I don't clog up the thread to make it about me lol.

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
I mean, it’s a quiet thread.

Find filmmakers you like in Colorado, reach out to them. Offer to do grunt work in exchange for favors. (I’m not saying work for free, I’m saying volunteer with the exchange of volunteering.)

Rent, borrow or steal sound recording equipment, shoot on a modern phone with a tripod. Adequate images with great sound are much better than the opposite, and it’s much easier to get coverage than it is to re-record someone on location.

Write something short with locations you have (you’d better hustle to get outdoor exteriors in Colorado before it gets too cold), , shoot it with your friends.

Edit and repeat until you reliably get what you want when you head out into the field. post it, being community with other people, and they’ll let you know when it’s time for the next step.

Remember, your goal is to be so good that no one can deny you, not to be slightly better than the worst you see. The worst you see was the result of product snafus, budget cuts, tons of other factors that happened after someone saw a good reel and a good script.

People sneer at producers, but if you can reliably raise money for things that won’t make their cashback, you’ll always have friends in Indie film making. And if you’re a real expert, you sell the things before you shoot a frame.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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That is all A+ advice, and hopefully, this doesn't sound like I'm dismissing it, but I've done all of that and it's been pretty good for me. I recommend that to EVERY filmmaker. The people I've befriended through film I've struck with the longest. I have sadly moved so I don't see them as much, which is a shame, but they aren't unavailable to me.

But as good as that was, all of us were in the same boat. A bunch of amateur creatives trying to find a way into this industry.

The biggest hurdle, the hurdle that everyone will deal with is finance. I have a proof of concept short. I have a script. I just don't know how to get it to make this thing. And I suppose maybe the answer is to put it away for now and make something else for a lower budget and sell that, but I'll be honest I'm a bit nervous to spend any of my money again until I find an actual stable job. (last time I was able to finance due to unemployment from covid stuff).

So the question is where do I even look to find someone to see if they're interested in what I have? Every filmmaker's story is unique and different and there isn't a single linear path, but I suppose I'm just looking for some guidance.

TadBradley
Jan 14, 2008
I don't know what goes here.

CelticPredator posted:

Would anyone in the industry mind picking their brain on how to get into (any level) the industry? Or lend some advice? I've hit every wall trying to figuring this out and I don't know how to further progress.



CelticPredator posted:

That is all A+ advice, and hopefully, this doesn't sound like I'm dismissing it, but I've done all of that and it's been pretty good for me. I recommend that to EVERY filmmaker. The people I've befriended through film I've struck with the longest. I have sadly moved so I don't see them as much, which is a shame, but they aren't unavailable to me.

But as good as that was, all of us were in the same boat. A bunch of amateur creatives trying to find a way into this industry.

The biggest hurdle, the hurdle that everyone will deal with is finance. I have a proof of concept short. I have a script. I just don't know how to get it to make this thing. And I suppose maybe the answer is to put it away for now and make something else for a lower budget and sell that, but I'll be honest I'm a bit nervous to spend any of my money again until I find an actual stable job. (last time I was able to finance due to unemployment from covid stuff).

So the question is where do I even look to find someone to see if they're interested in what I have? Every filmmaker's story is unique and different and there isn't a single linear path, but I suppose I'm just looking for some guidance.

You're obviously a creative type, but your original post sounded like you were seeking any kind of way into the industry. Does crew work interest you at all? (I mean in a real, "maybe I'll do this forever" kind of way, not in a "I'll boom your movie until they let me make my movie" kind of way...)

E: Not that I'm trying to reality-check your rear end. Nothing wrong with wanting to be a creative, just that it's a different path than "getting into the industry."

What do/ did you do for money in CO?

TadBradley fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Oct 29, 2024

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
If you want to meet people buying movies, you need to get your rear end to festivals. That’s the best public facing place to meet purchasers. it is also likely to be conventions.

TadBradley
Jan 14, 2008
I don't know what goes here.
You can also drop a link to your stuff in here.

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

Agree on the festivals. The first thing I did in the industry was be a producer's assistant, moving equipment around and doing production assistant poo poo which includes standing around a lot and the genius thing to suggest there...hold a clipboard. You'll look like you are important enough to be there.

To get into the industry though, which is a different thing? Everyone I know that isn't a Nepo sitch starting with temping

TadBradley
Jan 14, 2008
I don't know what goes here.

kiimo posted:

Agree on the festivals. The first thing I did in the industry was be a producer's assistant, moving equipment around and doing production assistant poo poo which includes standing around a lot and the genius thing to suggest there...hold a clipboard. You'll look like you are important enough to be there.

To get into the industry though, which is a different thing? Everyone I know that isn't a Nepo sitch starting with temping

What market are you in? I've never heard of a film crew hiring temps, curious if that's regional or just a blindspot of mine.

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

Sorry I mean NOT production, the studio side. Not on set. I'm in Creative Advertising running campaigns on films.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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TadBradley posted:

You're obviously a creative type, but your original post sounded like you were seeking any kind of way into the industry. Does crew work interest you at all? (I mean in a real, "maybe I'll do this forever" kind of way, not in a "I'll boom your movie until they let me make my movie" kind of way...)

E: Not that I'm trying to reality-check your rear end. Nothing wrong with wanting to be a creative, just that it's a different path than "getting into the industry."

What do/ did you do for money in CO?

Yeah I suppose that's fair. I'm basically asking how to find people to help make a film and that's probably not what this thread is ultimately. I just hit the end of the road when it comes to that.

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TadBradley
Jan 14, 2008
I don't know what goes here.

CelticPredator posted:

Yeah I suppose that's fair. I'm basically asking how to find people to help make a film and that's probably not what this thread is ultimately. I just hit the end of the road when it comes to that.

This may be going deeper than this thread warrants, but, can I ask what you're really chasing? You say you just want to make a movie, but you kinda did when you made your short; did that scratch the itch at all? Or is it MAKING IT that you're chasing? Or is it being on set, the problemsolving, the collaboration? Something else?

I think if your only victory condition is someone else financing your movie, you're not giving yourself a lot of room to work with. If you can be specific and honest about what you're really chasing, though, I think you can at least get something LIKE what you want.

If that conversation doesn't interest you, can I suggest adding more nudity to the script to see what that does. Maybe share it ITT afterwards

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