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therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Golden Bee posted:

A Death in Belgrade sounds exotic, it’s the one I’m gonna click on as an American.

I agree it's the best but "A Death in [xxx]" feels a bit hackneyed now.

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VoodooXT
Feb 24, 2006
I want Tong Po! Give me Tong Po!
Dial Rideshare for Murder

🤷🏻‍♂️

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

Netflix and Kill

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

therattle posted:

I agree it's the best but "A Death in [xxx]" feels a bit hackneyed now.

The Big Fade in Belgrade

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

kiimo posted:

The Big Fade in Belgrade

Bel(de)grade

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan
Eating Strife

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
Belgrade Biv DeVoe

Regretful Humming
Apr 27, 2015
A Cell and Strife

Splint Chesthair
Dec 27, 2004


Number one on the charts…

Golden Bee posted:

Belgrade Biv DeVoe

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

i cast maximized necropants
Lmao thanks for the ideas friends. Just found out Kickstarter is looking to promote short film projects this month! Here's the application to have yours featured: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1...s-camera-action

Also as always if any of you want to talk scripts i love nerding out about stories

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

I might try that. But I don’t have any short films in the Kickstarter bc doing that is a bit of a waste. But I guess if they’re promoting it idk

It’s just a ton of work and I don’t understand it all.


No one’s getting anything out of a short film except me.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
This looks relatively fun and relevant to the thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIQuE7JGXU8

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

Yeah pumped about it

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


That looks funny. Lately there's a lot of conspiracy theories about why films cost so much, like there's widespread money laundering or embezzlement, but that'll show its just straight up disagreements, incompetence, and every person and their kid trying to have a say in what gets on screen that runs up the cost.

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

i cast maximized necropants
in the credits, am i obligated to thank the medical research facility whose experiment subject honorariums provided the budget?

unrelated but every time i sneeze i briefly glow in the dark

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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Not obliged, but if you let them know they might be able to claim it as a research dissemination activity on some project grant!

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

i cast maximized necropants
you know, someone giving me a lot of money would keep me way too busy to post: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hellomalt/going-in-the-woods-to-die-a-short-horror-film

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Does anyone have the numbers or know where I can find out how much content spending on tv/film/streaming has increased or decreased compared to prior years? Just want to get a sense of how big a hit the industry has faced from the end of the streaming wars and post covid boom. The vfx industry was pretty busy in all the major hubs from the time I graduated university until last year, but now it seems like everywhere places are ceasing operations, going through bankruptcy proceedings, or cutting staff down to the bone. And its not like the work has all just relocated somewhere else, apparently all the hubs except possibly Sydney are in this state.

kanonvandekempen
Mar 14, 2009

Ccs posted:

That looks funny. Lately there's a lot of conspiracy theories about why films cost so much, like there's widespread money laundering or embezzlement, but that'll show its just straight up disagreements, incompetence, and every person and their kid trying to have a say in what gets on screen that runs up the cost.

I think there's an interview with Eric Idle (from Monty Python fame) where he says he asked a producer that question, and the producer told him that it's a lot harder to steal 10K from a 1M production than to steal 1M from a 100M production.

Edit: found the tweet
https://x.com/EricIdle/status/1679737270792847361?lang=en

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat
Part of it is that rates for everything on a $10m film are vastly lower than on a $100m studio film. Also these massive studio budgets typically include P&A costs, while indie budgets don’t.

D C
Jun 20, 2004

1-800-HOTLINEBLING
1-800-HOTLINEBLING
1-800-HOTLINEBLING
All these budgets, never enough for my pockets.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010
I just joined a committee with the UK creative industries union, BECTU. Periodically I will join a committee or similar when I get all fired up about union issues, then get disheartened and leave. It's a vicious cycle.

Anyway my welcome email to this committee also involved the committee chair posting some news, including a presentation on AI in the Creative Industries that she thought was "fascinating".

I nearly banged my head on my desk in frustration at how naive someone actually involved in union work is. The presentation was absolute grift from start to finish. "So you have legitimate worries about AI? Have you thought that actually it's fine and good?" was the jist of it. Feel like despairing that the person at the TRADE UNION can't see the damage incoming.

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
I went to film school and the job news blast had an article lamenting that writing jobs had gone down 42%, and a guide to using AI for your resume and jobhunting process. I tore them up so much I felt the need to CC the school newspaper and BCC’d all the alumni I could think of.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


The former head of CG at the studio my wife used to work at has gotten into researching AI, since their CG animation studio shut down earlier this year. It was the first time I had the chance to talk to a guy with a PhD who has researched the nitty gritty behind this stuff and is trying to build a pipeline to actually make something. Basically, it's not going well. The logic is apparently very interesting, his PhD is in neuroscience so he sees a lot of parallels between the ways AI groups concepts in space and the processing it does before it actually starts generating anything. But its consistency is still terrible. The teams he's with is using different models for different parts of the process, in total using around 6-7 different models to try to build out a stable process, and they're getting into the APIs to direct the result instead of using text prompts. But they still can't get a character that looks like a muppet to stay consistent from one shot to the next.

I dislike AI a lot but I do see how people who really can understand what the machine is doing can see it as fascinating. But even with all that intelligence and compute power it can't do some of the easiest stuff to do with existing pipelines. But I guess it's still early days...

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
Current large language models (don’t use AI, it’s a branding term) work from inference. Human thought isn’t something you can turn into code, so they group ideas and pictures based on probability.

Unfortunately, without a mind, you wouldn’t be able to see an objects rotated in space and know it’s all one thing.

To prove this: Look at your hands. Give a thumbs up. Then do a hang loose sign with your other hand. Rotate both hands. Point them at each other. All of these things are still obviously your hands. To a robot, these are all completely different shapes with no correlation to each other.

There’s no amount of improvement under this theory, no amount of computing power you can throw at it, to make inference as powerful at 30 frames a second as human eyes need it to be. It doesn’t understand fire, or drinking things, or gravity or bubbles. People can try really hard and have so it looks good for still images, sometimes, sort of. That’s at the cost of billions of dollars of investment that, by the end of the year, will have blown up in everyone’s face.

Even the big companies can’t make it profitable, and lose money on every transaction.

OpenAI needs to completely convert its company and gain billions of dollars of funding, from everyone, in perpetuity.

https://www.wheresyoured.at/optimistic-cowardice/

Last month, Microsoft backed off from building its big day center. The biggest tech company in the world looked at the numbers and said they weren’t gonna throw anymore time, energy or electricity at this.

So until they invent a new way to model human thinking, there’s not a route between what we have now and something that’s going to be able to create more than a few seconds of usable footage.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

We don't really know enough about the process of cognition to say what is or isn't possible for a machine; ironically object segmentation (tracking the outline of e.g. a thumb) is something that neural network/machine learning methods are a fair bit better at than traditional algorithms. OpenAI and the other large model companies are indeed varying degrees of scam, and there's no reason to assume that it's possible to step up the scale of input once more and receive a comparable improvement to the one that took us from "picture of a dog that's all eyes" to "picture of a dog with five paws", but there may well be other methods that are effective for VFX waiting to be discovered.

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan

Golden Bee posted:


Last month, Microsoft backed off from building its big day center…
Oh no, where am I going to put my aged and young, still training, llms while I’m not working?

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.

Remulak posted:

Oh no, where am I going to put my aged and young, still training, llms while I’m not working?

Microsoft backing out of a $1 billion real estate commitment, considering how much money they’ve put into openAI, is a sign that they’re sobering up. If they’re not building more data centers, they don’t see more use cases.

Another sign of the apocalypse is that the only people giving Openai the money they ask for a SoftBank, who are the Jim Cramer of banks. They were one of primary funders of WeWork.

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

https://www.humanartistrycampaign.com/nofakesact

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.

I would love an LA with no phonies …

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kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

Golden Bee posted:

I would love an LA with no phonies …

Then tell them to stop moving here from the midwest lol



I mean, I did but all my native LA friends and family are phony-free. They're just so chill it can seem aloof

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