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Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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I'll play.

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Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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I'm playing in this game and I'm a member of the "Town."

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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##vote binus real vote, just gut idk

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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i'd be shook too

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Maugrim posted:

This kind of reminds me of the Formula One games actually. Low stakes vibing kinda thing

so are you gonna vote binus too or what?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Maugrim posted:

Definitely a top candidate currently.

I wanted to leave more time for posting, but seeing as I've woken up to two (2) new posts, that was largely pointless.

You sound like a coward imo

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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ObamaAkbar. posted:

TPC third vote on binus bandwagon is pinging me. Maugrim pinging me very slightly too

Counterpoint: voting binus is good.

Maugrim seems overly earnest and I'm not feeling it.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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ObamaAkbar. posted:

What is your opinion on somber and TPC jumping on binus with you?

Did I not start the binus vote?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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yeah i'm comfy voting binus instead of salad i think

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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saladscooper posted:

##vote Obama their "would vote cube" post is beyond stinky. behold my opinions changing in the spam of 3 minutes. also willing to go for binus, won't vote somber today.

articulates a sentiment I was feeling re: Obama

I feel like cube could also be scum but if we kill cube, who will post?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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ObamaAkbar. posted:

Second time cube has answered for someone else. Definitely gives me scum vibes, would also vote cube

Feels like Obama is floating options since he doesn't truly care, doesn't seem genuine on the heels of the tpc vote.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Maugrim posted:

I don't want to vote Obama (town read) or binus (neutral read / I want to see his reads after a flip) but any of the rest I'd be ok with. Maybe easing off on TPC a bit after that post about scum meta.

Again this feels implausibly earnest but I can't figure out what you think is going to change with binus. If you were anyone else I'd say that's fake, but can you explain to me why binus' reads post-flip are valuable? Like what are you hoping to see specifically?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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I feel so sure the salad vote is not it.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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even if you don't like the binus vote i can't imagine why salad is our other leading candidate

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Would be much more interested in cube tomorrow after settling this split decision today. Cube is good for content.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Tea Party Crasher posted:

I think the new scum meta is to overact about how pinged you are about somebody, that way you can throw a lot of low content vibe-based shade at them. Then they will respond which starts a tar baby situation in which The conversation becomes more and more about them, leading to them likely becoming the vote leader.

Once the target flips town, The scum is then lightly shielded by their "willingness to scum hunt". This works best if You let a townie get bad vibes first, and then you fan their flames as a kind of proxy pocket.

Anyway that's what I believe fool might be doing right now. Obama got bad vibes from me and now fool has to provide some empty meta read on me. ##vote fool of sound

reread through the thread after catching up and this post stands out to me. i don't buy into the rationale and i don't think it's the kind of argument town make naturally. basing your read off a specific scum perspective feels like a bit of a tell?



Maugrim's voting pattern stands out to me.

obama -> [agrees with the binus vote early but doesn't pursue it] tpc -> no one -> binus

Really feels like Maug was never invested in finding scum.


failure to launch binus yesterday just makes me think that scum rallied around their buddy. scum benefit the most from a NL. not having voting records at eod makes it way harder to tell.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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b-minus1 posted:

I’m going to assume the most active players are town

Obama
Ypm
Somber

Let’s get rid of these people and see what happens

obama is 2 posts behind you and he probably has 2x the word count per post.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Your Personal Muse posted:

Explain to me the binus case like I’m sleep deprived

the binus vote is like jazz. it's all about the posts you don't make.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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CubicalSucrose posted:

I posted VF at all the relevant points except for like 5 minutes to go, and that detail has been discussed in thread today. Vote TPC for a better future.

It felt like more was about to happen but sure ##vote tpc


b-minus1 posted:

That’s interesting

if i could, i would print out this post as a full page and cook it up and make you eat it. what do you mean "that's interesting"? you're making an activity based argument that's disconnected from the reality of that activity. do you think obama is scum or what?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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b-minus1 posted:

I’m currently voting Obama so yeah I think he’s scum. I don’t vote people on my town list. Notice how I’m not voting tpc

my point is that if you're basing your reads off activity, your reads don't match up with the reality of the game.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Tea Party Crasher posted:

You know if my mafia career is full of me getting voted out as town and winning as scum that's fine by me

Tea Party Crasher posted:

We could still kill salad

defeatist tone at 2 votes, an overreaction

immediate bargaining for a candidate that tpc has otherwise ignored today? why not just push on obama again?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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CubicalSucrose posted:

Why do people want to vote out binus? I know I started the day with "it's TPC and binus" but it could very well just be TPC.

Votecount for Day 2

b-minus1 (3): Maugrim, ObamaAkbar., saladscooper
Tea Party Crasher (2): CubicalSucrose, Somberbrero
ObamaAkbar. (2): b-minus1, Tea Party Crasher
CubicalSucrose (0): Tea Party Crasher, Tea Party Crasher

Not Voting (2): fool of sound, Your Personal Muse

With 9 alive, it's 5 votes to execute. The current deadline is May 11th, 2024 at 9 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 2 days, 4 hours.

i feel like you answered your own question? both are good votes, i don't care which one we flip.


b-minus1 posted:

The reality of the game is that we are in danger of mislunching me, and probably tpc as well.

I gotta day your concerned townie vibes don’t appear to be genuine. You’re definitely near the top of my scum list.

this has no relevance to the point! your reaction to me pointing out a simple small hole in your rationale doesn't make sense as town.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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b-minus1 posted:

Do you think I’m scum or not? If you do then vote me. What are you waiting for?



Somberbrero posted:

i feel like you answered your own question? both[Ed: binus and tpc] are good votes, i don't care which one we flip.

Sorry cube binus was more persuasive ##vote binus

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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kala got the permits eventually, you're just jealous you don't have a fully functional mining operation in your sub-basement.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Your Personal Muse posted:

I think Cube is the way to go

##vote cube

His entire post history is manufactured content. He posts to appear helpful but doesn’t move any reads forward.

i can't disagree with this more v0v

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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ObamaAkbar. posted:

Saying that I get quite anxious as a mod when people start setup speculating in my games and say things like ‘x and y can’t be true as that is terrible game design’ because often x and y are indeed true lmao. Anyway I won’t be mad circ if there are 3 scum players left

Big same.

Yeah obviously I was really wrong. Reevaluating my read on tpc I guess.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Maugrim posted:

I'll reread later, want to see if my initial town read of Somber holds up. If it does I'm betting scum are all in salad / fos / cube

It's tough because this post is the sort of mishmash of hypotheticals that says nothing while posturing as an alignment call in a way I find scummy, but I don't really want to waste our lunch on Maug.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Tea Party Crasher posted:

When I quote this you can really see how lightweight this is. Here's a bunch of posts from Maug. One vote on binus, and now they think TPC is town! I sure hope I put enough words in this post to make the motivation behind my desire to vote Maug as genuine

I hear your point BUT consider, if this is scum Cube he's still working hard for the money and we should just let him have it.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Tea Party Crasher posted:

Also now that we have the benefit of hindsight concerning the votes on binus stagnating, I think we can agree there are two possibilities:

1. I am a stupid scum who held out a really long time only to hammer in a way that would bring a lot of tension to myself

2. All of the scum team were already on the binus vote and couldn't push it any further, meaning we should be looking at the four people who were voting before me

someone already pointed out that second option hinges on the assumption that scum were definitely on the binus vote and it wasn't all otherwise town right? idk it just feels weirdly defensive. Tpc is rilly aggro in a way that no one else is. Hard to read assignment off that by itself though.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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I get really bashful when someone goes through my post history like ahaha nooo doooon't im shy.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Tea Party Crasher posted:

Do you really think that scum wouldn't put there finger on that scale

not saying it's the most likely but they may have not had to.


Tea Party Crasher posted:

Anyway here's a vote that stands out as stinky

v0v binus was not being helpful


##vote maugrim

imagining cube and tpc as town, which feels correct to me, this is my favorite of the remaining options.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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saladscooper posted:

though i think if we want to make a case on somber these posts might form the backbone of it.

expand on that. maybe if i understand your point here i could understand your cube vote too. i'm getting whiplash from these reads.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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HEY SO - whoah capslock on. Hey so hear me out. With this weird voting pattern of 2-2-2-1, there are only three people without votes. It's me, fool of sound, and Obama.

do you think the *most likely* split of votes on our current candidates is 3 town and 1 scum? that is to say that we have 3 town and 1 scum in our pool of candidates with votes. (yes i'm assuming 2 scum bc that's what I'd do if I were modding)

i do think that's the most likely, which leads me to believe that Fool of Sound or ObamaAkbar is the other scum. right now i'm leaning fool because no one seems to have an actual read on them.

(let me know if this makes sense)

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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i'm having fun playing mafia with all my friends

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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CubicalSucrose posted:

I have a townread on FoS and a null read on OA and a slight townread on you.

Hmm.

From the perspective of you and OA and FoS, I can see how this "narrow it down to two" might be appealing. But also, the three of you have been collectively deemed "less scummy than the alternative" by the group.

If you believe that scum are voting different people right now and aren't willing to bus, then at least two of the people with votes right now are town.

Mmm...Suppose somber is scum, this seems like maybe an excuse to get a swerve going. But which of the current vote-havers would be scum-Somber's partner? Maybe three scum?

I feel like most people other than you don't have a townread on FoS so much as a null-read. despite voting for TPC on-and-off throughout the game the actual commitment to getting TPC flipped seems middling at best? i get why you would have a town read necessarily though, since fool is also on the TPC train.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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ObamaAkbar. posted:

Seems a bit excessive given I’ve barely even discussed you before today

it definitely felt a bit out of place.


Also, I realized I haven't said this in a while, but I'm a member of the "Town." Just thought I'd clear up any confusion here, thanks.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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well actually now that fool has said i'm their favorite i think they could be town so nevermind

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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fool of sound posted:

Lol here's salad trying to distance themselves from their partner. Also this is the first we hear of that "gut feeling" that they "still" have despite pushing binus fairly hard the prior day.

Oh jesus christ how did I miss this lol. Not believing a case enough to remember what it was is basically a scumclaim.

Nevermind tpc is just wrong town. It's salad+obama or maug.

##vote salad

seriously though i feel like this just convinced me. am i stupid??

even still i still feel like hedging bets with Maug feels right in my heart. i will reread Maug at least.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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saladscooper posted:

Ok so in all likelihood this is exlo

Hmmmm

Anyone else dislike this post? States the obvious and nothing else.

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Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

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Fool was your strongest town read yesterday, has that changed at all?

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