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ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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CainFortea posted:

Yes, that would the "or" in my post.

Nothing has actually changed, and it won't. This is just posturing.

It is posturing, but like everything else these coming months it's something much more politically valuable than that. It's motivation. A whole bunch of stuff being done to make people feel enough to (get out and motivate others to) vote for the least bad instead of "nah". It's the hand we're dealt.

No election will swing a voter this decade, the predictions will go up or down entirely through these lackadaisical energy fights.

On a different note, the cultural republicans who vote democrat bc of cultural acceptance don't live anywhere an R vote would get past gerrymandering anyway. You take the bad win with the bad. It's a strange trick that one.
Makes you wonder about the purpose of <regions electing one representative> systems instead of <all votes get counted in 1 national region and parties get % of seats in national government body> don't it?

ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 19:56 on May 1, 2024

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ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Mustang posted:

Biden could do something to appeal to folks who are disgusted with Israel's genocide in Gaza but he deliberately chooses not to. That's on him.

Fact is, people like Biden would rather lose to Trump than do anything to reign in Israel's psychopathic behavior.

These are the first true Vietnam War protests in 50 years, you know nothing will happen before the majority opinion shifts same as then.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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The big difference between the gwot protests and these Gazaa is the furious anger. Protestors didn't learn anything that carried over between VN, Iraq, and Palestine, it was the US mil who did.

The fundamental factor, is Iraqi and Afghani eyewitness accounts read a lot more like South American victims of junta death squads, and a lot less like vietnamese being bombed by napalm and children in Hanoi shaking beneath trains of B52's on christmas.
Ie, the one is the much more furious than the other. As can be seen now, people react on a different magnitude when they see war machine murder, aka in the common effective shifted meaning, seeing genocide.
Que lessons learned by Pentagon.
The almost pointless Gwot era seemed a lot more about principled stands and decorum than wanting to stop the out of control murderous maniacs.

And there's the other massive touchstone with BLM and the civil rights movement preceeding both, and where organising experience doesn't have a generational gap and does carry over.
It drat well should, it's the same drums in the same hands.

Is there modifying factors by what country is actually doing what or? Not really. The protests have been made aware of something horrible and they want it to stop, stop being done in their name or with our support. Those three things are what moves the animus, and perhaps they are variations of the same thing: which side are we on

The protests in our youth could as well have been holiday parades compared to the online and the sound of the motivated now.

That is how the VN protests are like these and how the gwot ones weren't.




I don't know how to fit in this cynical thought with the rest but here goes: our soldiers, someone else's; it's all the same to those who never were or will be.
Those who never knew us, or never will

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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The wrong ones still count :colbert: including outsourcing to places with weaker union support like the CIA

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Kazinsal posted:

Anyone who thinks that "trying to slow down the degeneration of basic rights for American citizens and fumbling on some things" and "actively aiming to turn the country into an evangelical ethnostate" are the same political ballpark -- hell, the same loving sport -- should get their internet privileges restricted to a 1200 baud modem and an 80x24 text-only terminal from 1975.

You know what haggling is? You know what a chicken race is? You know full well why I'm asking you rhetorical questions? People who pretend they won't vote are hoping to alter the deal of incremental progress. Squeaky wheel gets the grease can't be a novel concept needing analysis, come on

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Elviscat posted:

Mitch is the platonic ideal of a self centered loving ghoul/turtle, sustains himself on spite, and has almost single-handedly completely hosed this country. I hope his grave ends up as an eternally full piss-puddle. And I will gladly contribute.

It is rather astonishing, in a history book perspective, the moments of power he found himself in during the Obama years. Mitch McConnell will get to be one of the very few of us who had a choice. Who indisputably got agency.

He got to singularly sabotage so many and so much and empower the lunatics, all as a crude tool to benefit his tribe and his own wealth. He is the one who organised the supreme court and the revolt against reform

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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I did not know krysten sinema read dune, must be a recent development. The totally-not-her-or-manchin saying it isn't convinced me

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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It would be fun if he did go tho. Hmmm. You know, there would be a bunch of people who could potentially do the funniest thing ever

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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What would happen if they wrong adress-killed another cop?

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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So; message is you can't demand a misstrial over testimony you didn't shout objection! to at the time, but headline reads as "Judge wrong kind of prude, not uncomfortable by rape but words talking about rape"

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:

Doesn’t a “random” attack imply the dude didn’t know who the victim was? Is there really a 50 year old New Yorker out there who didn’t recognize Buscemi but happened to slug him while going after an arbitrary stranger?

Doesn't random get used to mean unprovoked, only with more linguistic elegance?

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Hell he's an internationally recognised saint. Of all the actors to sock they had to chose the only one who didn't deserve it

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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shame on an IGA posted:

I really wish I understood the root cultural differences, in the service of emulating them, between the US and UK that leads to every british interviewer no matter where they fall on the ideological spectrum taking it as a matter of faith that their calling is to gently caress with a pineapple everyone who dares appear before them.

Like, this is the UK equivalent of Lou Dobbs eating Ben Shapiro for a light snack

https://youtu.be/6VixqvOcK8E

You can't get rich and you can't get famous in Britain (in general but extra so) if you do american journalism. That severely alters what sort of personality want to attempt a career in the field. Lord knows Rupert Murdoch tried to change all that but he failed, so they settled on reducing how many jobs there were for journos.
I'd badly summarise it as in the US the audience don't have any power over content, while in Britain politicians don't have any power over anything. The organisations ruling media channels do in both, and the very wide BBC has both been the biggest and beyond partisan control for most of it

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Kazinsal posted:

British journalism is ludicrously constrained in how you have to cover anything. Use the wrong phrasing about something you don't have grand jury grade evidence for, and boom, enjoy your court case.

(USER WAS SLAPPED WITH A LIBEL SUIT FOR THIS POST)

Making newscasting even more thankless than interviewing where they aren't presenting any facts but merely asking questions directly from the source of horrible unfair laws and news. Can't libel if the bastard is cornered to admitting it themselves

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Hyrax Attack! posted:

I remember reading about drudge work crews on endless cruise voyages & how the guy who managed the vast library of pirated DVDs charged $1 for regular films & $2 for pornos.

But were they correctly appraised

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Nick Soapdish posted:

What sort of freedom hating country puts the dollar sign after the amount? They probably also flip around periods and comma for denoting numbers

If you're also going to defend using two completely untranslateable measurements in unholy combination just to say how tall someone is -AND WITH LESS PRECISION- I'm going to vomit

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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It'd be less far fetched if it was Middle Earth and North Boston

E. Sorry, brain decided you were talking about the Congo coup chevaliers and something they actually said. It's all too much like Caro that one

ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 17:56 on May 20, 2024

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Cugel the Clever posted:

The failings of the human mind and the intellectual currents which exploit them have been with us forever and aren't going away any time soon. The future belongs to whoever seizes it, so it's pretty drat important that those of us who support liberal democracy do what we can to safeguard it against resurgent authoritarianism.

:hmmyes:

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Tiny Timbs posted:

The whole forum loved cranking their hogs over the impending civil war at the last election. It’s just become background noise.

It's the same as liking postapocalyptic fantasies etc. It's the promise of the Wild West. Changing the rules appeals to every society's losers and :umberto: a nice society helps everyone and gets way more stable and safe

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Kesper North posted:

but stability is boring and doesn't contribute to the hero narrative that every american has been told from birth is their god-given right and natural character arc

a society can create losers in many ways

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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A.o.D. posted:

Noooo! You must participate in the trolley problem!

Edit: that's a bit more flippant than I intended, but that's basically what this election is. Do I pull the lever and choose to kill?

In my personal situation my vote is meaningless. My state WILL vote red. But I didn't lay the tracks, I didn't tie the people down, and I didn't set the trolley in motion. Why must I become an active participant in evil?

Shoutout to McGavin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PM20ZhcILQ

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Spoggerific posted:

Did he just expect to stomp on their HQ and suddenly the rest of the country's buildings turn his color like in advance wars? You need more support than just eliminating a leader to pull off a coup.

Are you talking about Congo or Jan 6?

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ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
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Woodchip posted:

Finally won the popular vote

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