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Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Johnny Keats posted:

Wow gently caress you I'm glad you were blocked lol

Hey I was willing to give you a chance in to masonry, I wouldn't have been able to kill you until the next night

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Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
You should kill Nutsack with that ability though right now

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
Oh, or tonight I guess.... Boo

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Hal Incandenza posted:

My subtle allusion to my role

Huh... you used the fact that other roles like Cube's might exist to counter the gunsmith, as a reason to vote for Cube though which seems backwards.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Hal Incandenza posted:

I'll just come out with it because maybe it will make more sense to you, my other power is to kill someone in the masonry and dissolve it if there are still more people in it. I planned to kill keats unless he found some way to convince me he was town. I wasn't really planning on using the killing part unless we were in a bad place and I had a solid target, and that seems to be where we we are at. At this point unless I wanted to kill nutsack (which I could have done the last two nights) it seems unlikely that will come into play at this point

This is just a scum role lol.

##vote hal

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Johnny Keats posted:

Huh... you used the fact that other roles like Cube's might exist to counter the gunsmith, as a reason to vote for Cube though which seems backwards.

Not really, I mostly voted cube because I didn't like his posting, the gunsmith thing is something I only recalled on and off because I was extremely distracted the first couple game days.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

fool of sound posted:

This is just a scum role lol.

##vote hal

Seems like a pretty OP scum role, you can just get an extra kill every other night?

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Hal Incandenza posted:

Seems like a pretty OP scum role, you can just get an extra kill every other night?

*Looks at game where scum has only killed every other night*

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)

yuming posted:

Moritz who did you target?

Kweats

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.

Sandwolf posted:

I did, and it failed.

So I can confirm the fail, but a thing that rubs me wrong is that you didn't fail to 'investigate', you failed to 'question' your target, and I don't know if gunsmith really counts as questioning...

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Sandwolf posted:

I did, and it failed.

Who were you trying to investigate?

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.

fool of sound posted:

This is just a scum role lol.

##vote hal

Why is "mason-only vigilante" a scum only role?

Nutsack Rangoon
Mar 30, 2010

EVERYTHING IS NUMBERED HERE. THE MONSTER IS ZERO.

Spacebanito posted:

So I can confirm the fail, but a thing that rubs me wrong is that you didn't fail to 'investigate', you failed to 'question' your target, and I don't know if gunsmith really counts as questioning...

Singular "target"?

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.

Nutsack Rangoon posted:

Singular "target"?

No, plural targets, that's my bad

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.

fool of sound posted:

This is just a scum role lol.

##vote hal

Actually, hang on, forget everything else.

You're not pushing Keats right now. Even though Sandwolf's n2 had it be you, Illu, or Keats, and Keats is dead. Got an explanation for pushing Hal instead of that result?

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.

Spacebanito posted:

Actually, hang on, forget everything else.

You're not pushing Keats right now. Even though Sandwolf's n2 had it be you, Illu, or Keats, and Keats is dead. Got an explanation for pushing Hal instead of that result?

Hey, pretend I said Illu was dead and not Keats, because obviously that is the case.

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


yuming posted:

Yea and I was wrong thanks for rubbing salt in my ego wound <:mad:>

I wouldn’t know anything about that, I’m always right

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Spacebanito posted:

So I can confirm the fail, but a thing that rubs me wrong is that you didn't fail to 'investigate', you failed to 'question' your target, and I don't know if gunsmith really counts as questioning...

That’s the flavor excuse behind my role, so that’s literally the action I take

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Spacebanito posted:

Actually, hang on, forget everything else.

You're not pushing Keats right now. Even though Sandwolf's n2 had it be you, Illu, or Keats, and Keats is dead. Got an explanation for pushing Hal instead of that result?

Slam dunk

##vote FoS

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


I’d be desperate for Keats head as a way to confirm myself if I were in FoS’ shoes

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
So it's probably nutsack, Hal and FoS, huh

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Tired Moritz posted:

So it's probably nutsack, Hal and FoS, huh

Yeah

Nutsack Rangoon
Mar 30, 2010

EVERYTHING IS NUMBERED HERE. THE MONSTER IS ZERO.

Tired Moritz posted:

So it's probably nutsack, Hal and FoS, huh

How's that?

Spacebanito
Dec 4, 2009

Die thou unsung.

Tired Moritz posted:

So it's probably nutsack, Hal and FoS, huh

Nutsack I don't really see, and I am very wifom about FoS pushing Hal so hard.

But barring a really stellar response from FoS, that's where my vote goes, and that flip might illuminate.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
Why do they keep sending Hal out tho
Is he some kinda arsonist

Nutsack Rangoon
Mar 30, 2010

EVERYTHING IS NUMBERED HERE. THE MONSTER IS ZERO.

Tired Moritz posted:

Why do they keep sending Hal out tho
Is he some kinda arsonist

Is the theory you're operating off of that we're both maf lying about the masonry? You can visit him tonight, force your way into the masonry, and confirm it.

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Nutsack Rangoon posted:

Is the theory you're operating off of that we're both maf lying about the masonry? You can visit him tonight, force your way into the masonry, and confirm it.

Why aren’t you suspicious of Hal?

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)

Nutsack Rangoon posted:

Is the theory you're operating off of that we're both maf lying about the masonry? You can visit him tonight, force your way into the masonry, and confirm it.

Yeah I want to go into the claimed death masonry

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Sandwolf posted:

Why aren’t you suspicious of Hal?

Rangoon had some odd thoughts around Hal yesterday too. Something about how Hal could keep having confirmed night actions by inducting people into the masonry, thus proving he wasn't the killer.

It was odd because Hal had just had a night where he didn't get anyone in the masonry, because Opop had died the night Hal visited him.

I could see a Hal/Rangoon connection.

Nutsack Rangoon
Mar 30, 2010

EVERYTHING IS NUMBERED HERE. THE MONSTER IS ZERO.

Sandwolf posted:

Why aren’t you suspicious of Hal?

Because I know he didn't NK N1 and his role can confirm to me (and an ever increasing number of players) that he didn't NK each night.

I'm basically a permatracker on Hal. If Spork didn't jail him last night and Hal did do the NK, there would be no one new in the masonry and would know that Hal visited the NK target.

Nutsack Rangoon
Mar 30, 2010

EVERYTHING IS NUMBERED HERE. THE MONSTER IS ZERO.

Tired Moritz posted:

Yeah I want to go into the claimed death masonry

Then what are you suggesting? The masonry is real and we're both scum and Hal recruited me to it and no one else??

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Except there are now two nights where Hal has no confirmable action and you still feel, uncritically, he’s town?

Nutsack Rangoon
Mar 30, 2010

EVERYTHING IS NUMBERED HERE. THE MONSTER IS ZERO.

Sandwolf posted:

Except there are now two nights where Hal has no confirmable action and you still feel, uncritically, he’s town?

That's not what I'm saying. Do you not see the value in the role from my pov?

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Sandwolf posted:

Except there are now two nights where Hal has no confirmable action and you still feel, uncritically, he’s town?

If you choose to believe both nutsack and I are scum and making the masonry thing up, ok. Seems like bad play because at some point I'd be where I am now, looking highly suspicious I hadn't recruited anyone else.

If you think it's just me, you'd have to think I chose as scum to murder the person I told nutsack I was going to visit, and then the next night with both a jailer and tracker alive and me under high suspicion the scum team would then choose to send me to attempt to kill again when we'd be on the cusp of winning the next day if we got off a clean untracked kill.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
Well. Do we have proof that you intended to go for Keats

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Tired Moritz posted:

So it's probably nutsack, Hal and FoS, huh

Also if this were the case it's be nuts to offer up the masonry thing unprovoked on day 2 since if I was killed for whatever reason nutsack would be caught scum

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Tired Moritz posted:

Well. Do we have proof that you intended to go for Keats

How could we? I can't help that spork jailed me and nutsack and I both agreed I shouldn't tell him my target last night

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
Hal, how do you feel bout Nutsack now? Wasn't he the one to suggest Opop as the mason target on N2?

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Nutsack Rangoon posted:

Because I know he didn't NK N1 and his role can confirm to me (and an ever increasing number of players) that he didn't NK each night.

I'm basically a permatracker on Hal. If Spork didn't jail him last night and Hal did do the NK, there would be no one new in the masonry and would know that Hal visited the NK target.

I can kind of see where you are coming from, assuming each person Hal masons gets added to the one masonry. What if instead Hal was forming multiple new masonries? Considering it's not your role, you can't know which way it would go.

I think it's just that you have the full throated defense of Hal being great for town, even after the circumstantial evidence against him. Have you had no doubts at all? I always have a sliver of doubt when I'm in unconfirmed masonries. Sometimes much more than a sliver.

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Nutsack Rangoon
Mar 30, 2010

EVERYTHING IS NUMBERED HERE. THE MONSTER IS ZERO.
Also, while we're on this topic it did occur to me:

If Hal is scum and he's not lying about the killing element of his role then maf would have a double kill and we lose if we don't hit today.

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