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I have never even heard of this game, which scans to Squenix not marketing it, but I do like me some Mafia, and the vibe of Paranormalsight, so I'm in
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Nah, I've only ever been this guy. Same name and even avatar since 2009
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May 13, 2024 15:30
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Meanwhile, I've been out of the game so long I don't even remember how to not be in the awkward standing around at the beginning of day1 phase of things except by swinging wildly so. Yknow. Be warned for that, I guess.
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May 13, 2024 16:34
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Confusing AFQM and Yuming is an odd mistake to make with avatars that don't look terribly similar. That said, I don't personally get much value out of this d1 swinging. I also am not sure staring at the Miller claim is too valuable either, but I'll admit I only played in one game with a Miller and that one VERY quickly blew up due to the sheer number of out of sequence deaths that occurred so I'll instead pose a question: What is actionable about a Miller claim that is any different from someone just saying "I'm Town"? Unless someone has a Day Investigate or something Speaking of weird roles, and probably not useful information...What is a Death Miller? What does 'Death' modify on there?
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May 13, 2024 23:57
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SporkChan posted:Miller investigates as scum but is town. Their flip when killed will reflect this, stating they were on the town team. Sometimes this includes things like a gunsmith (can Kill/can not kill), sometimes it's exclusive to a cop (Town/not Town). Oh weird. I've definitely played in a game or two with 'false' death flips like that, but they were rolls that 'burned the body', as in someone being killed by this action just doesn't reveal at all. SporkChan posted:Eh. Keats mixing up two players is a townlean for me. ScumKeats doesn't make that mistake, but townKeats plays fast and loose on D1. Anyway, I'll have to, at least at present, accept that you know they'd be more careful than that as scum, though I don't know if it's especially a good idea to use info/behaviors from past games to inform this one.
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May 14, 2024 00:27
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Illusionis posted:I have a feeling this might be right again ##vote Cube Can you back this up with anything or...?
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May 14, 2024 15:30
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Illusionis and Fancy both seem fairly suspect. The immediate investigate claim is actually one of the things I feel is a null tell, because regardless of being town or scum, it's a clumsy move.
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May 14, 2024 20:10
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SporkChan posted:I disagree. Both have spurred the thread to action, Illu with VCM and Fancy with the claim. I think spurring conversation during a slow D1 is a plus for town. Scum want to sit back and follow the thread. Spurring conversation with a fake claim isn't helpful though, and neither would making a true claim like that actually help town, since if it is a true claim, it just makes them an N1 target and scum are the only ones who would reasonably know that the claim is 'true' (at least the alignment part)
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May 14, 2024 21:24
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My suspicions to Illusionis are definitely building. Not inclined to actually drop a vote yet, but as it stands that's where I'd be. I find the idea that lying about your role D1 is standard Townie play in the meta, but admit it has been a long while since I played last so it's possible. I'm with Rangoon though, what does that move look like D2? The D1 claim of being an investigative role has four outcomes. If you're town and telling the truth, you give good info D2, die N2 without doctor intervention, and that assuming you're able to convince people, and that scum don't axe you N1. This is a bad play, it seems to me. If you're town and lying, D2 leads to you needing to provide information you don't have, which I shouldn't need to explain why is a bad play. If you're scum, a D1 claim like this has much better results for you, since it primes you for a later bussing, and you actually do have the needed info of who is and isn't scum to be able to give the needed info D2 to keep people's eyes off you. Talking out my reasoning like this I think I've convinced myself that the Inv claim was very suspicious, not a null tell like I said. Aside from that, I haven't weighed in on yuming but I'll say I think the Miller claim is legit, because the conversation around it is too specific and genuine. If it isn't true, it's an absolutely excellent forgery
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May 14, 2024 22:25
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Also the reactions to D1 voting don't fill me with a ton of faith either, but that's more feeling than data
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May 14, 2024 22:27
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All fair points, and part of why I'm not actually voting yet, just kind of voicing feelings and the evidence I have, to try and build a bigger picture. And with regards to people's prior game history/tendencies, I can't speak to it one way or the other but it goes in the information pile
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May 14, 2024 22:42
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I can answer that more quickly, I haven't played on SA for like, a decade, haha
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May 15, 2024 02:58
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Uninterested, or another possibility is not wanting to jump on something the other scum have started and overloading the wagon early
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May 15, 2024 04:07
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Not sure what modern meta is, but when last I played it was common for D1 to end with no kill, and I'm not fully convinced of anyone. Headed to bed now and work in the am so may not be able to drop my vote at all, which I'm fine with for stated reason. My suspicions lie with Illusionis, Fancy, and TM at present
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May 15, 2024 04:23
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yuming posted:Good morning! I've posted mine already, though Fancy's reaction to Spork being confident of Keats as town(I'm also inclined to think Keats is a Townie for kinda the same reason. That mistake isn't one I see scum making except on purpose, and that feels like too complex a D1 maneuver to me) also doesn't feel especially 'good faith'
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May 15, 2024 13:37
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I have no vote placed and have even explained why, namely that a no-lynch D1 tends to skew numbers in town's favor, but I'll be honest, Fancy has made a very strong case for themselves so ##Vote Fancy
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May 15, 2024 15:32
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Illusionis posted:D1 no dunk is terrible for town and not sure what numbers you're referring to, but it doesn't change mylo/lylo math with 13 at least Maybe the game has changed since last I played, but the logic and meta then at least was that on D1 you're much more likely to hit town, just, statistically, than scum, because you have so little info to go on, and in role madness especially you gain a lot more info N1 compared to a missed kill. I mentioned this reasoning before, too, but again, that's old meta that I'm fine to hear arguments against. That aside, I'm firmly comfortable with my vote given the reasoning already described by me and others why Fancy seems a good pick
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May 15, 2024 15:43
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Spacebanito posted:My suspicions to Illusionis are definitely building. Not inclined to actually drop a vote yet, but as it stands that's where I'd be. This is why I think Fancy is scum FoS and Cube I can't strongly say one way or the other, except that I've found Illusionis and TM far more suspect.
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May 15, 2024 15:49
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Illusionis posted:Role madness giving town info is a fair argument for it, but unless investigations hit incriminating evidence it kind of leads to a d2 that's almost like d1 only scum get to pick somebody off is mostly the common consensus nowadays It's funny that I made this exact argument the other way the last time I played, which, again, is about a decade ago. I'm not comfortable axing just ANYONE because of the idea that SOMEONE has to go, but I AM fully comfortable with Fancy as a vote.
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May 15, 2024 15:50
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Well. Not how I expected any of that to go, but being baffled about Fancy's play won't really help us moving forward so instead. I want to talk about TM but the reason I want to is inactivity mostly, so there's not a lot to talk about there
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May 16, 2024 17:22
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CubicalSucrose posted:I vote for not-Cube. Sandwolf posted:I say we kill one of FoS, Cube or Keats. Well, fos and Keats being the overlaps, either or both wanna restate the cases there?
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May 16, 2024 18:01
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I was actually thinking that it was wholly possible that everyone who voted to axe Fancy was Town, so I'm glad to hear someone else suggest that the non-voters have strong potential. I don't think I'd really call Cube or Nutsack as hard lurking, they've both participated in conversation at least. I'm most suspicious of TMor for that. On the other hand, Spork, why don't like like that EOD vote from Opop? Just a feeling, or got something more than that?
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May 16, 2024 20:18
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I should clarify. What I meant by that was that we need to keep open to the idea that it's wholly possible that NONE of scum actually voted to Axe, not that extra suspicion should be heaped on the people who did not vote
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May 16, 2024 23:36
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fool of sound posted:Why? Refusing a join a town yeet and then throwing shade on town who did is classic scum behavior, and usually a pretty good strategy. Yeah, but nobody has done this yet, and it is weird to bring it up already? Like, there was a solid chance I didn't vote either, except I was really quite confident(wrongly, apparently) of Fancy. I know I said a positive thing about this general mindset, but not to this extent? Mostly just as a "we shouldn't assume all the scum are within the subset of people who DID vote"
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May 16, 2024 23:40
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Tired Moritz posted:Would town boxxing be a better word/phrase I explained my reasoning why claiming an investigation ability D1 felt like a scum move, and between that and their responses to scrutiny, their reactions made them more and more suspicious. This is just speaking for myself though. At this stage, though, TM continues to provide non-opinions and light nudges in conversation that don't sit well with me. For now, I'm comfortable with this. ##Vote TM
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May 17, 2024 04:03
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Did I miss something, why do we believe Opop is doctor?
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CubicalSucrose posted:Their first post this game. I mean, a first post, D1, is hardly a claim that I'd put any real stock in Tired Moritz posted:What exactly do you want me to say? Not this. So far all you've done is agree with consensus, or provide non-engagement that seems like engagement in the form of "and then what" or otherwise prodding people to just keep saying their thing. You haven't seemed, by my eye, to put any real effort into investigation or anything of your own. Opopanax posted:If I were a doc, I would have protected spork last night This notwithstanding, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on Illusionis.
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May 17, 2024 15:47
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Illusionis posted:Regarding Moritz, this is the standard way he plays, both as town and scum, I haven't seen anything pinging me as scum Moritz yet, but he is often really hard to pin down due to this playstyle A lot of the arguments in your Yuming post rub me the wrong way, but not in a way I can articulate properly. This, though, is some impressive amounts of hedging without offering information. I do have a question for you though Illusionis. Did anything happen to you last night that you're aware of?
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May 17, 2024 16:17
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Illu's behavior with yuming feels extremely bad to me, and given that I didn't feel good about them day 1 means I'm very happy shifting my vote to them, if things change. My three reads at the moment are FoS, Illu and TM. I'd be repeating myself or quoting others to explain why at this stage, but there are now three role claims that I believe at play, so I think we want to be careful to make sure whatever vote we make stands to verify one or more of them, if we can. Miller is a lost cause, can't verify that except through killing the Miller, which isn't a great play, but the other two
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May 17, 2024 19:19
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fool of sound posted:This is nonsense This is nonsense. And the reason why is it's dumb to just reply to a train of thought with 'no' instead of actually refuting it with anything. Why is "I was BP and thought everyone might be" more of a nonsense claim than Miller, ecco cop, or the eavesdropper we saw flip? Roles this game seem a bit more on the esoteric side, so I find this very believable.
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May 17, 2024 19:24
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How far are we from a hammer?
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Meta question, I guess. How common are scum information gathering roles? I know it isn't the most useful thing to consider how frequent things get used, because there's always the chance, but how often do scum get things like eavesdropper, gunsmith, cop equivalent, etc.
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May 17, 2024 19:30
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Tired Moritz posted:2 days, yo This is why I want to know if we're getting close to ending things early, we want as much time as we can and while I'm comfortable moving my vote to FoS, I don't want to if it risks someone sneaking in a hammer
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May 17, 2024 19:31
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Good, not especially close. I'm fine with this then ##Vote FoS
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May 17, 2024 19:33
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fool of sound posted:That's self evident: Millers and ecco cops are not weird roles. Bulletproof isn't weird either. "Everyone might be bulletproof and their powers key of off expending that protection" is a wild, insane reach. I understand, though I think their breadcrumb setup is why I find this explanation to be a lot more reasonable
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May 17, 2024 20:10
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CubicalSucrose posted:The "typical" scum info role is "pick a player, learn what role they are." So Scum Spy is not really a thing, for example? That kind of like. Eavesdropper-ish, softer inv?
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May 17, 2024 20:35
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So if we believe the two claims, and also the gunsmith claim itself, that leaves us with Keats unaccounted for, and also someone who has been very quiet. I'm also still suspicious of TM for the same reason, quiet and low content posting. My suspicion of Illu has changed to a confused suspicion
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May 17, 2024 20:52
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Johnny Keats posted:Spacebanito is also scum An exciting claim. Please explain.
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May 17, 2024 21:13
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An accusation and no follow up when requested is a bad look Keats
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I legit can't tell if Keats is deliberately trying to muddy the waters by generating stuff he can point to himself, including the just IMPRESSIVELY vacuous argument of "My actions weren't scum, if I were scum I'd be doing a MUCH better job", or if he's just trolling and acting up for reasons that baffle me. Scum or bad town, anyway, but not top of my priorities. I stand by TM as probably my top vote, for reasons that I've stated and that haven't really been refuted meaningfully ##vote TM
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