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SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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mycelia posted:

It was published by Square Enix, who promptly forgot to market it.

Typical really.

I'm in!

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SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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fool of sound posted:

Really think you've already failed!!

My feeling as well.

Cube, don't you post townie every game?

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Johnny Keats posted:

What are you trying to say here? You listed after Yuming's claim without comment on it. So voting for my claim can rightfully be called hopping over Yuming's claim. If you want to say my claim was more worth commenting, you can say that. I've just made an observation

I mean, death miller is different than miller, so yeah. Yours is more worth commenting on.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Johnny Keats posted:

I think a miller claim after already claiming an investigating role for 5 posts is worth commenting on, just the same as a first-post death miller claim that was probably a joke. But what do I know

Keats. Are you aware you've mixed up AFQM and yuming?

AFQM claimed an investigative role.

yuming claimed miller as her first post.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Sandwolf posted:

Agreed, the act of claiming a death Miller from keats is -1 to me tho

Eh. Keats mixing up two players is a townlean for me. ScumKeats doesn't make that mistake, but townKeats plays fast and loose on D1.

I see the death Miller claim as being just Keats though. Doesn't effect my read.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Spacebanito posted:

Confusing AFQM and Yuming is an odd mistake to make with avatars that don't look terribly similar. That said, I don't personally get much value out of this d1 swinging. I also am not sure staring at the Miller claim is too valuable either, but I'll admit I only played in one game with a Miller and that one VERY quickly blew up due to the sheer number of out of sequence deaths that occurred so I'll instead pose a question: What is actionable about a Miller claim that is any different from someone just saying "I'm Town"? Unless someone has a Day Investigate or something

Speaking of weird roles, and probably not useful information...What is a Death Miller? What does 'Death' modify on there?

Miller investigates as scum but is town. Their flip when killed will reflect this, stating they were on the town team. Sometimes this includes things like a gunsmith (can Kill/can not kill), sometimes it's exclusive to a cop (Town/not Town).

Death miller investigates as town, and is town. Their flip will not reflect this though, stating they were on the scum team.

Death miller is generally considered poor form from the mod, as it means that mod communications (the flips) can't be trusted.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Illusionis posted:

Vig mason cop go

Vig Cube on a feeling

Cop Keats, because I'm not sure if mixing up Yuming and AFQM was feigned or not

Mason Nutsack Rangoon to get a better handle on a new player

Vig Nutsack Rangoon as a welcome back!

Cop Cube. He's a great player either town or scum, want to know which he is.

Mason yuming, to get a feel for the mason claim

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Nutsack Rangoon posted:

Have we played before?

Not that I know of, no.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Spacebanito posted:

Illusionis and Fancy both seem fairly suspect. The immediate investigate claim is actually one of the things I feel is a null tell, because regardless of being town or scum, it's a clumsy move.

I disagree. Both have spurred the thread to action, Illu with VCM and Fancy with the claim. I think spurring conversation during a slow D1 is a plus for town. Scum want to sit back and follow the thread.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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CubicalSucrose posted:

Ah poo poo a bit of an awkward deadline for me, but I should be awake for the hour or so before it. Safe placeholder vote.

##vote Hal

This is a bad vote. Hal is my highest town read.

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

I can investigate certain things about my target. Who volunteers to be my target for N1?

Scum doesn't volunteer for this. Only way I'd think Hal is scum is if he's scum with Fancy.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Johnny Keats posted:

Really? Lol and Sandwolf didn't even notice

I said Keats was townie for the mistake, but this is pinging me. The immediate redirect from having the mix-up pointed out to using it to cast suspicion on Sand.

Still lean town on Keats, but I can actually see a world where scumKeats intentionally mixes up players in order to cast suspicion on who does/doesn't notice.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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AFancyQuestionMark posted:

Unless scum have a redirector or a janitor

You mean Jailer?

Even so, you not getting results on Hal would draw attention to him. I just don't think scum pokes that bear.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Opopanax posted:

Yes, with nearly as many posts as you, I've been quite active. Odd thing to say.



Truth is, it could be said about nearly any of us. None of us have been particularly active.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Sandwolf posted:

When’s deadline!

Two hours

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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AFancyQuestionMark posted:

Actually yes, this. What the hell is a "placeholder" vote?

Illusionis posted:

This though has me pretty happy keeping my vote on Cube, why do you need a placeholder vote? Why is Hal a safe one?

I assumed he meant placeholder so he has a vote down in case he doesn't get back before deadline. I'm find with that part. It's the choice of Hal I disagree on.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Illusionis posted:

Specifically looking at Spacebanito, Spork and TM who have been recently active

I've been rereading folks, seeing if I can find anything I find really scummy. Some slight pings from Cube, FoS, and a generalized suspicion (based more on meta than this game) of TMor and Keats.

If it weren't almost deadline I wouldn't find any of them worth voting for.

##vote Cube

I do want to hear Cube's basis for the Hal vote though.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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CubicalSucrose posted:

FoS has claimed "seer" (alignment-cop) which is one of the better info roles broadly. Spork is defending Hal against a vote for volunteering to be investigated. But Hal (probably) isn't at-risk for alignment investigation. It's kinda strange.

When did FoS claim anything? AFQM claimed an 'info role' but not which type. So where are you getting cop from?

And I'm saying that Hal offering to be investigated by an unknown info role as quickly as he did is a towny response.

CubicalSucrose posted:

Fair point on the investigation volunteer, I hadn't remembered that, just recalled that they hadn't claimed anything wild like Keats or FoS did.

You even agreed? Then five minutes later voted me for making a point you agreed on? What even is this?

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Spacebanito posted:

I have no vote placed and have even explained why, namely that a no-lynch D1 tends to skew numbers in town's favor, but I'll be honest, Fancy has made a very strong case for themselves so

##Vote Fancy

I agree with Illu that any yeet is better than no-yeet on D1.

Where are you getting the Fancy suspicion? So far he's seemed fairly town to me.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Nutsack Rangoon posted:

I like AFQM > Cubical

We got another vote for hammer? I'll be here til deadline

I'm around and will vote AFQM to secure a yeet.

But for me it's

Cube >>> AFQM

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Opopanax posted:

There's 10 minutes left, second place is at minus 5, we don't have time for anything else

Feels a bit like trying to avoid the SA-signature last minute D1 swerve.

But since that swerve would possibly be onto my scum read, I'm hoping it happens.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Shell told me I was gonna be modkilled cause I posted after hammer, so at least we know who the cool mod is.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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I'm in the middle of a 10 hour drive right now, so will be even less active than usual for the day.

But I really didn't like Opop's vote on AFQM at the end of day.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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CubicalSucrose posted:

I kinda want to vote Hal or Spork. Yeah Hal volunteered for info role stuff, which turned out to be a little dud-ish and wasn't relevant because AFQM got yeeted. Even if AFQM were alive, scum could've plausibly roleblocked or redirected or just killed them. I don't think it's as town-cleary as Spork was suggesting.

I had mistook the timing, thought it was only a few minutes between Fancy asking for volunteers and Hal saying sure. Turns out it was almost two hours. I still think its a town lean to volunteer at all.

Sure Hal could be a godfather and investigation proof, though that wouldn't have actually mattered with Fancy's !could power..
Sure the scum team could have a block.

All of these are true, which is why Hal isn't 100% town. But volunteering at all draws attention that I believe scum avoid.

And I still the Cube's 'placeholder' vote was bad. And the posts after when Cube came back were bad too, mixing people up a lot.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Opopanax posted:

Deadline was 9am my time, I poked my head in before clocking in for work and it was Fancy or nobody.

I think we could have moved, and I was hoping for it. I get it, but your vote felt bad. And your justification a little later felt bad too.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Opopanax posted:

If I were a doc, I would have protected spork last night

Wait, really? Why?

Didn't feel like anyone was listening to me yesterday.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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fool of sound posted:

I think that the targets for today are the people who didn't want to join in a last minute vote: Spork, Cube, Nutsack, Hal, TMor. Refusing to join a deadline ex of a town player is a common scum strategy; I do it all the time. I think Cube/Spork/Nutsack are the better targets of those, since not voting at all is more indicative of just hard lurking than scum refusing to vote on a foregone conclusion for cred.

This doesn't make sense to me. I was around at EoD and actively arguing a different case.

Obviously unprovable, but I would have switched to secure the yeet, but I was waiting till the literal last minute. Even in a foregone conclusion I thinknits best to give everyone as much time to post as possible.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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yuming posted:

C'mon man.

This does feel similar to the way Jose V used his ecco is Periodic maf.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Sandwolf posted:

Literally exactly what I was going for but I’m nowhere near as good as Jose the Fifth

Well also 13 player game vs. whatever that monstrosity got to. 59 players? I think.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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CubicalSucrose posted:

So did you not believe FoS when they claimed:

?

It feels like most people didn't. I thought it was an obvious joke myself.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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CubicalSucrose posted:

I, for one, believe FoS.

##vote Illu

This was Cube yesterday, so he's at least being consistent. Still doesn't make sense to me and doesn't feel like Cube to be so credulous.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Phone posting so I won't be able to go and dig up relevant quotes. If I manage to get wifi set up for my laptop ill try to do that.

##vote Cube

Cube has been off this game:
* His late D1 placeholder vote on Hal.
* The series of posts he made after coming back to the thread on D1 before the deadline. Cube got multiple people mixed up in those posts, such that he voted the wong person at least once.
* Calling my town read on Hal a town-clear (I think it was Cube who did this, but I could be misremebering this point.)
* Cubes stated belief in FoS's joke claim of bulletproof doc/seer.
* His claim. As others have said it feels designed to prevent suspucion.

* Lesser point but Opop has claimed to have protected me last night, and there was no kill. I wasn't the only one casting suspicion on Cube, but I was one of the loudest at EoD1.


I do actually agree with yuming that Cube in this game doesn't resemble his recent scum game in Hatoful mafia (and she should know, they were scum together in that game). But this also doesn't resemble the town Cube I saw Tarot mafia. I think someone rolled scum twice in a row and tried to switch things up.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Keats' complaints about the codes messages read like frustrated town.

Hal I still think is town. Less convinced just because of my earlier point about volunteering for an investigation, and more general vibes.

I see where Illu is coming from regarding yuming's responses, but it is only leading me to suspicion so far, not conclusions. And I don't know if I can see scum yuming claiming miller.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Sandwolf posted:

I’m not really seeing Illu as very scummy anymore. More like town with a strong personal feeling.

I disagree Keats frustration with codes belies a townie thinking, I think it could just as easily be scum frustrated that there is something they cannot interfere with.

FoS has also been much quieter D2 compared to D1, I’d do that. Cube has also been striking me negatively.

In summation, I’d vote within Keats Cube and FoS

lol

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Nutsack Rangoon posted:

Worth noting that keats is also playing dumb in that post. He knows why I didn't message him because I had already communicated everything I could in the pm.

Just to clarify.

You are a messenger? (Able to send out of thread communications to selected targets.)
And you sent a message to yuming and Keats so far?

I'm assuming if you were making masonries there'd be no need for the coded messages.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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CubicalSucrose posted:

I think TMor or Hal today are my preferences.

So you a certain that you are the Can-Kill result from the ecco gunsmith? Seems odd to not consider the other two.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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CubicalSucrose posted:

Anything useful from masonry chat, either of you?

What masories? I don't recall any masonry claims.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Illusionis posted:

This is a weird rear end post though

I was trying to parse that one as well.

Keats can you rephrase?

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Johnny Keats posted:

Not really. Why does Sandwilf care about his result on me and FoS? Have you thought about that?

I mean, even if Cube does flip scum, you or FoS can still be scum. Or hell, both. Maybe Sand got all three with his first test.

So it makes sense to me for Sand to be paying attention to all three of his eccocopped targets, even if one has claimed a role that would explain the result.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Sand is voting Cube already. I do see what you mean Keats where his results can be explained away by Cube. But I also don't think it means anything one way or another that Sand's thoughts have stayed on you and FoS even after Cubes claim.

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SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

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Johnny Keats posted:

People have cited the weirdness of Cube expressing surprise that Sandwolf investigated FoS since FoS had jokingly claimed vig but looking back Cube's reaction and posts seem totally normal, and was not pushing a narrative about FoS at all

The wierdness for me wasn't Cube expressing surprise. If he really believed FoS's claim then it would be odd that Sand eccocopped Fool.

The wierdness comes from believing that claim at all. It was obviously to me a joke claim. I, and I feel others, never took it as a serious claim.

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