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Sandwolf posted:loving hell I am so down for this, can I be the Landgrave of Thuringia? Only if I'm Bavaria. Entirely serious, give me my home county damnit.
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Morning, y'all. I think I caught a cold or something, been feeling very drained all week and entirely demolished my supply of tissues. Also been really busy so I'm not entirely sure why I joined this game in the first place. Anyway, rereading now, enough whining. Tea Party Crasher posted:Accepting applicants for a masonry by the way. Will favor chatty cathy's, People with pet pics I love masonries, but I do not have pets to send pics from.
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CubicalSucrose posted:Has to work some time, right? Wait I only just now realized you're here despite champs. You actual goddamn madman.
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Johnny Keats posted:This could be scum interference though. Voodoo/MQ This but Keats/Tsietisin
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Jun 20, 2024 06:02
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hambeet posted:sup fuckers sup gently caress
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Sandwolf posted:No scumread on Voodoo yet, tentatively town read on binus (will review as day goes) Explain?
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Yami Fenrir posted:Explain? The b- read specifically, sorry my brain hasn't fully booted yet
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Tsietisin posted:I should probably go check with my scumbuds on how to play this game. Unironically I feel like 75% of the time I've seen a joke like this in the last few games, the person was actually scum  That said, I find Tsietisin's reaction to Keats really lackluster. Tsietisin posted:You're not gonna give up? Takes it at face value Tsietisin posted:FINALLY!!! Immediately jumps to defense Tsietisin posted:You make a convincing argument for both sides. Now I have questions. Seems to just follow keat's words. Johnny Keats posted:I'm not a survivor that was a meme Note the timing on this (Keats only clarified he was not a surv afterwards) Votefinder appears to be broken again so I can't check if this is tsietisin's first game or what but this kinda reeks of scumbuds here to me tbh
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Jun 20, 2024 06:26
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Apparently the private window thing still works. ##vote Tsietisin
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Anyway, off to work now, see ya.
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Jun 20, 2024 06:32
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hambeet posted:like if people absolutely want those images, i think it should be laid out like that.
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Jun 20, 2024 12:40
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Tsietisin posted:Hambeet, it seems as if you are someone that truly understands the first hour of the game. I don't know what Destiny's Child is, but your vote or whatever isn't what I called out?
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Jun 20, 2024 12:41
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b-minus1 posted:We prolly should no lunch imho When, in the history of ever, has that been a good idea d1?
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Jun 20, 2024 12:42
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b-minus1 posted:I never said it was a good idea  Bee please
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Jun 20, 2024 13:00
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Tsietisin posted:Only it literally was. Tbh I forgot you voted voodoo at all, my point was that I find your reaction to keats sus,
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Jun 20, 2024 13:23
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Tsietisin posted:I will say that voting on D1 has made me think. Again, it's not about your votes on beet or voodoo in themselves, it's the context. Stop trying to twist it into being about the votes.
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Jun 20, 2024 13:28
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yuming posted:Tsi seems town too hth Can you elaborate?
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Jun 20, 2024 14:55
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hambeet posted:Duh, because I don’t get to vote Keats out. I wonder that in every single game I play with B- tbh.
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Jun 21, 2024 05:59
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fool of sound posted:This entire argument is stupid and worse, I don't even think anyone involved is faking it. I am wondering if it's a bit on someone's side still but I've been too wiped out to really dig into it yet.
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Jun 21, 2024 06:00
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Johnny Keats posted:I think Hambeet is scum this game. He usually cares about saying things that make sense, but in this game he has already multiple times made some kneejerk comment to make me look bad. I bet some of my early scumreads were right and he jumped to discredit mode. Can you elaborate on this? I'm not seeing it but I tend to have trouble reading beet. Still waiting on one of the folks that said tsie is town to actually explain why to me too (but that isn't directed at you)
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Jun 21, 2024 06:03
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Johnny Keats posted:Once again, I do not own territory. Wait a minute. Forgive me if I missed something because I've been pretty messed up yesterday, but wasn't Keats literally trying to paint looting as scummy and now he's claiming to be able to loot? That's kinda sussy.
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Jun 21, 2024 06:07
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Johnny Keats posted:It must be only scum who care about ducats then, or else town members are too afraid of being looted to admit to it. Johnny Keats posted:I am aware due to the description of one of the items I may purchase with ducats, that bulletproof stacks in this game also protect against "looting" in addition to kills. That makes me think that looting is a scum-leaning action and that most if not all of town players have independent non-looting ways to earn ducats. For this reason I ##Vote MQ Johnny Keats posted:Bro, I can become protected to looting. Looting has to be a thing Johnny Keats posted:And if looting is a thing ONLY to steal MY ducats, that's weird. This heavily sounds like Johnny intended to keep the looting part hidden, perhaps because he's worried about how it looks? Johnny Keats posted:Voodoo does your role PM include the word ducats? Johnny Keats posted:I'm just confused about the lack of even a single person confirming that they interact with ducats. It is possible that Josef intended for my role to suggest many game interactions that don't exist, but it is worth considering that it's *not* a troll role With the info of him being able to loot in mind this looks like rolefishing. Johnny Keats posted:Yes I have a lot of information about it because I have the ability to loot Now, I just woke up but to me this just reads like Johnny messed up a fakeclaim or something. My own read of that post history was like he was trying to paint other looters (if they exist) as scum, despite having the ability himself, while also trying rolefishing for targets to loot. This does not seem like a town mindset to me. ##vote Johnny Keats
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Yeah, well, they read as disingenuous to me, especially in the first half. I don't know about you but I personally don't immediately assume my own action is scummy. Not only did you immediately try to hide it (at first), you also used it as an angle to try and put suspicion on other looters. It's like trying to both have the cake and eat it. Your posts, in my opinion, heavily imply that you're worried about the optics of your role. Making posts that could very well trick people into revealing themselves as targets while remaining squeaky clean yourself is just the cherry on top as far as I'm concerned.
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Monathin posted:i am in fact going to bed for real now but imo it's not inherently scummy for keats to be aware of their own scumminess, because this happens with enough frequency it'd be weirder not to acknowledge it ... huh? I'm not sure I follow the logic there. The point is that his actions are scummy. I'm not accusing Keats of being too concerned about looking town in a vacuum here.
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Johnny Keats posted:And then why would I claim to be able to loot? Because HCT asked you about how you made the connection. Or you slipped. How would I know? You keep being hilariously two faced in your posts: Johnny Keats posted:It must be only scum who care about ducats then, or else town members are too afraid of being looted to admit to it. Johnny Keats posted:I am aware due to the description of one of the items I may purchase with ducats, that bulletproof stacks in this game also protect against "looting" in addition to kills. That makes me think that looting is a scum-leaning action and that most if not all of town players have independent non-looting ways to earn ducats. For this reason I ##Vote MQ I think you just didn't have a good idea of what your (fake)claim was supposed to be and screwed up tbh.
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Johnny Keats posted:Did you miss the part where I said I thought I'm the only town who can loot That's like the definition of a post-hoc justification. What I care about is your mindset in the moment, which doesn't seem consistent.
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CubicalSucrose posted:https://votefinder.org/players/common_games/johnny-keats-2/yami-fenrir My own read on Keats is that he has a tendency to be pretty scummy, but usually I can see the logic in his points. I don't remember for sure if he's internally consistent though, it's been a while. Either way, this is why I initially ignored the forming bandwagon on him and looked for other people like tsie. That said I do legitimately think I'm onto something here. My own memory is Keats is that he just looks/sounds scummy in general, this seems actively two-faced.
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Johnny Keats posted:Well I disagree and I've said why, so we can leave it there unless you have anything new Fair enough, I suppose. I should probably actually focus on work during work hours anyway.
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Johnny Keats posted:If I accidentally steal your item, it was because nobody came forward as having nothing stealable and I had to make an uninformed choice. Oh for crying out loud. Still at work but I really do feel the need to say this: Hyper Crab Tank posted:I am not opposed to voting out a lurker D1, certainly, but I think people should at least have a chance to post on this final day. Why would reveal this? For gods sake, don't hand out info in response to the (imo) obvious rolefishing. This is just not good regardless of Keats' alignment. If he's scum, you're letting him narrow down his choices. If he's town, he's telling the truth about there possibly being a scum looter, in which case you're still helping scum. It's just not a good idea either way and this ham-fisted and very self-serving attempt at getting people to reveal this information (at the likely detriment of town) just tells me my vote's in the right place.
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Okay, first off, sorry for being basically AWOL yesterday. I've gotten severely hosed up by a combination of hayfever and heat and was basically non-functional. I still haven't fully recovered, but I did manage to get some reads done. I have some things to say, but first I'd like to ask Never something. Namely, is your role PM basically a copy of RWC's?
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NeverHelm posted:Pretty much exactly, yeah. Barring the flavor it's word-for word identical. Also, my action failed last night. Your action... failed? Did you try to loot Keats?
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Tea Party Crasher posted:Actually it would be two unclaimed looters wouldn't it, If he tried to target someone else I'll just go ahead and say that one was me. I'll explain my reasoning in the case, but I am baffled that the second wasn't Never.
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NeverHelm posted:So I'm curious Keats - you said your BP was popped, so that means you already had one. You claimed to get these by buying them, just like me and RWC can do. How were you able to afford one this early? Or did you have one from the start? Yeah, this is part of why I'm sus of Keats, he just seems to have our (and RWC's) role, but extra. Kinda stinks.
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zzyzx posted:Finally, an answer to the question of whether the Pope is Catholic. I remember a modded Pope CK2 where the character ended up being a secret muslim. It was great.
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Johnny Keats posted:Waiiitttt wait wait. So as a looter you pushed me so hard yesterday for my claim? Wow Wrong. I didn't push you hard for your claim. In fact, you won't find me questioning the details of looting. I pushed you for pretending looting is suspicious when you're a looter.
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Anyway, I found it really hard to read the entire thread again yesterday (thanks keats), so I decided to focus on looking at votes instead. And honestly, I kinda feel they're pretty interesting.votefinder posted:Votecount for Day 1 Now, I'm lacking some of the in-the-moment context, but I believe it started with Never. I don't really fully understand why Never or RWC got that many votes (besides looter), but Tea Party even less. However, from what I can gathered, the vote stalled on keats with 6 votes for a pretty long time, before rapidly swapping between multiple targets. I find this suspicious, because stalling votes usually means scum is on the block, and the rapid switching is easily explained as scumbuds trying to get the vote off them. To start with, I've checked the voters and mona stuck out to me as someone who was on two of the wagons opposing the keats one. I'll make a separate case on mona later but mona basically just doesn't acknowledge anything wrong with keats, which is silly. Mona's posting sounds more like a bad youtuber sponsorship deal than a real person. zzyxx also kinda looked like they were running defense, but I'm less sure about them than I am mona. Other than that, lesser suspicions are tsie and sandwolf. I've already pointed out tsie's odd reaction, but with the way their posting happened EOD, I'm unsure. I also find sandwolf totally ignoring Keats odd. Not only the posting, but also at the end, he is conveniently going for an opposing wagon. In addition to this, we have a flipped looter claim, Never claims to have the same role as RWC (in practice) and so do I. So I don't buy this "more important" bullshit, personally. To me there is just too much wrong here. I don't really buy that keats just got an upgraded version of 3 other townies (assuming the unclaimed one is scum), the way people are interacting with keats factually whack as poo poo claim is sketchy, the way the vote stalled before suddenly a million counter wagons appear is sketchy. ##vote Johnny Keats
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Johnny Keats posted:I don't see how you could think not claiming looter during all the discussion yesterday was better for town. That is the thing that really betrays your motivations How nice of you to selectively ignore the part where I literally said I was basically non-functional due to health reasons yesterday. Tea Party Crasher posted:Basically if I were scum I would not invite town to think this much about how my mechanics work especially if other people shared them People keep saying that but I'm not going to put stock in it. I think Never was right on the money with the "wanted to get town cred by claiming a scummy role" bit. It would be a logical explanation for why he first went "looting is scummy, guys!" but then was like "actually I'm a looter too!" after Never said "actually I'm a town looter" (iirc, I'm not 100% on the timing). Y'all are putting too much weight on "Would he do this". I don't remember my previous games well but i vaguely remember Keats as someone who is just always in the center of attention, usually due setup stuff. You need to look at the way he's doing things, not what he's doing.
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NeverHelm posted:So, you also have the exact same thing then? Interesting. Yup. Unless the mystical 4th looter (who keats might just be lying about, we don't know) claims to have an upgraded version too, Keats' is the only one whose is somehow better, on top of having an additional way of generating ducats. And if Keats has the same list as RWC and I (and presumably you) do, that means he's the only one who has an alternate way. I'd buy some sort of 3P merc role who has to earn ducats, but town? Not really.
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Johnny Keats posted:Voodoofly literally said he would trust me if I was 3P. That's a scum slip. Kill him first Last I checked I wasn't voodoofly?
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wologar posted:Hold on, Yami. When was it said that there are four looters? Johnny claims he was looted twice. I account for one of those. Never claims to not have done it, RWC is dead, so unless johnny looted himself there's gotta be a fourth non-johnny looter, right?
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