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shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


keats is at -1

keats, should you flip town, is your final recommendation that clo is scum

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Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
Yeah and Molly

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
should i hammer? its pretty early but i feel like theres nothing else that anyone wants to say

mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

shwinnebego posted:

keats is at -1

keats, should you flip town, is your final recommendation that clo is scum

I feel like if Keats is town clo is 100% scum unless she’s maybe possible some 3p? But like. Probably scum

Voodoofly
Jul 3, 2002

Some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help

Why are we voting Keats?

Voodoofly
Jul 3, 2002

Some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help

Keats have you listed each of your night action targets and such?

Cloacamazing!
Apr 18, 2018

Too cute to be evil

Voodoofly posted:

Why are we voting Keats?

He says he's rolecopped me as Vanilla, and I'm actually Voteproof.

Voodoofly
Jul 3, 2002

Some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help

Cloacamazing! posted:

He says he's rolecopped me as Vanilla, and I'm actually Voteproof.

No I get that I’m just wondering where you all the sudden had such credibility

Like shark was screaming for your head and now believes you

Cloacamazing!
Apr 18, 2018

Too cute to be evil
My current theories are Luscious Seal Eyelashes or my plan was just that stupid that I couldn't possibly have made it up.

Voodoofly
Jul 3, 2002

Some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help

Cloacamazing! posted:

My current theories are Luscious Seal Eyelashes or my plan was just that stupid that I couldn't possibly have made it up.

But spork already stole that plan

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

mollyohreally posted:

what how would that

even work

It was a game where all the roles were useless, I think? So town ninja, scum miller, etc. Basically a vanilla game, but you thought you had a role.

Voodoofly
Jul 3, 2002

Some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help

Sorry I need to reread this I’ve been slammed at work last couple days and seeing 90 posts I did not expect a Keats role claim dispute.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Cloacamazing! posted:

Y'all are free to flavorclaim as much as you want. I saw no reason to claim again, since I'd claimed before.

I've also already claimed, but I'm reiterating anyway. I'm the subway ghost, just riding the rails.

Voodoofly
Jul 3, 2002

Some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help

SporkChan posted:

It was a game where all the roles were useless, I think? So town ninja, scum miller, etc. Basically a vanilla game, but you thought you had a role.

That’s like all of my games.

I once had five town millers and the cop was scum

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Voodoofly posted:

But spork already stole that plan

Hey!

Accurate and rude.

Cloacamazing!
Apr 18, 2018

Too cute to be evil

mollyohreally posted:

what how would that

even work

wol is a beautiful miracle of nature and should not be questioned by us mere mortals

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
I do feel like Keats is caught here, will probably vote in a bit. Want to get some thoughts out first.


Clo had been claiming vanilla for a while, and was both stuck in on it, and had been getting suspicion for it. Would be a sensible fake claim for a fake rolecop to make. If scum rides to a townie's rescue it either pockets the town, or casts suspicion on the town later in the game if the scum flips.

I can also see Clo waiting for the actual Vanilla claim from Keats to spring the trap, wouldn't have been as effective beforehand.

And Keats' defense seems to be that Clo did this to prevent flavor claims? I don't think this game is flavor solvable, especially since we were told the scum have fake claims, so I think the mod thought about flavor arguments.


If Keats flips town then it's Clo tomorrow for sure. I don't see a reason for scumClo to risk that, unless there are wildly more scum than we are thinking.
Unless anyone wants to argue there were 6 scum to start the game?

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

SporkChan posted:

Unless anyone wants to argue there were 6 scum to start the game?

I did a quick look over the flips, to refresh my memory.

Only 3p to flip so far was the survivor.

Only way I could see 6 scum being balanced would be a something to give more killing power to town. Binus' Schrodinger nightvig wouldn't do it. Would need something like a 3p bounty hunter who's targets are scum.

So yeah, I think there's 5 scum total, 3 remaining.


Which would make this a bad trade on scumClo's part.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Voodoofly posted:

Keats have you listed each of your night action targets and such?

Yeah I have

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
How many times have we as a community voted out town because" if the other guy is lying we get them 100% tomorrow" and then the next day that other guy is actually got?

mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

##unvote

does it make sense to test clo first actually

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
true. if clo is saying the truth, theres no risk for us anyway.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

mollyohreally posted:

##unvote

does it make sense to test clo first actually

I think it makes much more sense for scumKeats to claim and get caught by townClo, than for scumClo to make this up while under zero pressure.

At the point Clo claimed I was the voteleader with 2 votes, and a few other people had 1 vote each. Even if you think I'm scum thread wasn't really on the way to pushing me out at that time.

Voodoofly
Jul 3, 2002

Some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help


Would you point me to it?

Pwease?

Cloacamazing!
Apr 18, 2018

Too cute to be evil

mollyohreally posted:

##unvote

does it make sense to test clo first actually

Waste of a day in my opinion, that'll just result in a no exec, and the next day Keats will say that obviously Sand must have redirected him

mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

SporkChan posted:

I think it makes much more sense for scumKeats to claim and get caught by townClo, than for scumClo to make this up while under zero pressure.

At the point Clo claimed I was the voteleader with 2 votes, and a few other people had 1 vote each. Even if you think I'm scum thread wasn't really on the way to pushing me out at that time.

heres my thoughts though

why to vote clo:
if clo is telling the truth shes execproof. so we don't actually lose a town today, and then we know that keats is scum
if clo is lying, then shes scum and we have caught scum today

if we vote keats:
if keats is telling the truth, he has a reasonably valuable role with an active action, and we will have lost that valuable town role

we will know one of them is lying anyway after the other flips. but if we vote clo we have one more town left than otherwise.

##vote clo

mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

Cloacamazing! posted:

Waste of a day in my opinion, that'll just result in a no exec, and the next day Keats will say that obviously Sand must have redirected him

no exec is usually worse than any exec, but not if it results in learning valuable information anyways..
and there is very slim chance im believing keats if he says taht tomorrow

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Voodoofly posted:

Would you point me to it?

Pwease?

Not in a single post, like all on different days. It was Toal mason (but I thought it said miller lol) then Cube as vanilla. Then Shwin as BG. Then nothing. Then Clo as vanilla.

sharkmafia
Aug 20, 2018

Johnny Keats posted:

Not in a single post, like all on different days. It was Toal mason (but I thought it said miller lol) then Cube as vanilla. Then Shwin as BG. Then nothing. Then Clo as vanilla.

toal was not inherently a mason, she was targeted by egalz's ability n1. if your ability is rolecop then i highly doubt thats the result you would have gotten

sharkmafia
Aug 20, 2018

that result is actually highly suspicious as well imo, lets get keats

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
Uhh that's what it said idk what to tell you

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Johnny Keats posted:

Uhh that's what it said idk what to tell you

nah

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


molly i can see your argument but i'm highly disinclined to move off of keats

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

mollyohreally posted:

heres my thoughts though

why to vote clo:
if clo is telling the truth shes execproof. so we don't actually lose a town today, and then we know that keats is scum
if clo is lying, then shes scum and we have caught scum today

if we vote keats:
if keats is telling the truth, he has a reasonably valuable role with an active action, and we will have lost that valuable town role

we will know one of them is lying anyway after the other flips. but if we vote clo we have one more town left than otherwise.

##vote clo

It's weird to me you don't include the point on voting Keats:
If Keats is lying, we will have voted out scum.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
Toal was a mason with humalong folx.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

SporkChan posted:

Toal was a mason with humalong folx.

Like, getting Keats is fine, but his result on Toal is not a reason to do so.

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


SporkChan posted:

Toal was a mason with humalong folx.

oh. did toal claim this or are you just inferring

i didn't know hum was in this game oops

mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

SporkChan posted:

It's weird to me you don't include the point on voting Keats:
If Keats is lying, we will have voted out scum.

also true

it's like 1000 degrees here and i havent slept lol

basically what i wish to say is this: if we vote either lying keats or lying clo, we have the same result (we have voted out scum)
if we vote truth-telling clo, we have not executed anyone, giving town a little extra padding
if we vote truth-telling keats, we have removed a town player with a useful night action

in this way, i can't see any world in which voting keats instead of clo first is the right thing unless someone has hard proof that keats is scum

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Tsietisin posted:

Humalong - Nunzio Scoleri, Town aligned Mason has been eliminated

Toal claimed to be the mason partner with Hum the next day and was never counterclaimed.

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mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

shwinnebego posted:

oh. did toal claim this or are you just inferring

i didn't know hum was in this game oops

im pretty sure toal said something about that. lemme find it

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