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None of that would be a problem for a reigning fascist movement. The more leaders gently caress things up and make things worse the more excuses they have to attack their chosen outgroup for "causing" it. Social instability isn't a problem, it's a goal.
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LongDarkNight posted:Let's invade another desert. Mexico is only like 30% desert.
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CainFortea posted:Mexico is only like 30% desert. But that's where we would start if we were going to do so.
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MonkeyFit posted:But that's where we would start if we were going to do so. You go around and invade from the sea to set up a forward base in Acapulco, Cabo San Lucas, Mazatlan and Cancun. Already set up for large ships disembarking. We fortify these positions turning them each into MWR strong points then focus on pushing inland I dunno at some other time. I volunteer to be forward deployed as a sleeper agent/tourist.
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Lol we couldn't pacify Iraq let alone afghanistan what makes anyone think we'd have a chance in a country that's twice as large as the two combined and has nearly 50% more people. CainFortea posted:Mexico is only like 30% desert. Hey at least when they get woodland cammies they can just say it was an honest oopsy daisy this time
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Milo and POTUS posted:Lol we couldn't pacify Iraq let alone afghanistan what makes anyone think we'd have a chance in a country that's twice as large as the two combined and has nearly 50% more people. And the well established cartels would put up a hell of a fight too.
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MonkeyFit posted:And the well established cartels would put up a hell of a fight too. Don't they outgun like, a good chunk of middle power nation armies? I remember conservative estimates are in the teen figures in quantity of gunmen, in what I guess are battalion strength. A few tens of thousands of bastards who are equipped with the finest arms America can sneak in?
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It reminds me of a anecdote from John Plaster's book on MACV-SOG. Towards the end of the war, they found that the North Vietnamese intelligence apparatus had infiltrated so far into the South Vietnamese government- even the clandestine services- that they would get grid coordinates of individual teams in the field. I cannot imagine trying to fight an insurgency where there isn't a single person in the government or security services that doesn't have a link to a cartel. I think this topic came up on the forums before in an A/T, ministry, or similar thread- it could have been another subforum because there were some that were pretty into covering the cartel conflict at the time. Anyways, it laid out the issues America would face, and it made Iraq look like a simple addition problem.
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It's hard to overstate the sheer Trumpianity of this topic. The United States of America would have an easier time subjugating the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland than Mexico.
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So what you’re saying is that we should unify Ireland and gently caress over the Brits?
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M_Gargantua posted:So what you’re saying is that we should unify Ireland and gently caress over the Brits? I'm not empowered to give legal advice. My content falls under the classification of 'self-actualization influencer'.
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MonkeyFit posted:And the well established cartels would put up a hell of a fight too. I know it’s speculation but what reason would the cartels have to actually try to fight US forces for territory? The cartels aren’t the government or trying to overthrow the state or export an ideology. Wouldn’t it be more likely their leaders would close down for a few months & take extended vacations overseas while core members bury weapons & blend in? Especially as cartel influence already goes all the way up to their minster of defense, might make surprise raids a bit harder. Aren’t most of the most lucrative products not produced in Mexico? Like the chemicals for meth & fentanyl are imported, along with cocaine & heroin. I’m sure US forces could have a few photo ops with drugs on the table but in practice would be wandering around empty towns that probably would offer near nil cooperation as cartel vengeance would be around much longer than the Yankees. After a few months would probably see enough decline in drug imports to declare victory & leave, but if we were dumb enough to stay would probably just see alternate import routes boom & plenty of US units caught earning a big payday moving crates across the border.
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You guys are forgetting how badly the people of Mexico must be chafing under the reign of violent outlaws and corrupt officials. Why, if we were to intervene in the interest of nation building, I dare say we'd be greeted as liberators.
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Yeah the Cartels have their fingers, if not full control, of a lot of local police forces and even govenrment.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah the Cartels have their fingers, if not full control, of a lot of local police forces and even govenrment. Doesn't that just make them the government, then?
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Hyrax Attack! posted:I know it’s speculation but what reason would the cartels have to actually try to fight US forces for territory? The cartels aren’t the government or trying to overthrow the state or export an ideology. Wouldn’t it be more likely their leaders would close down for a few months & take extended vacations overseas while core members bury weapons & blend in? Especially as cartel influence already goes all the way up to their minster of defense, might make surprise raids a bit harder. You are correct, most drugs that are not weed come from overseas and are smuggled through Mexico. Hell, a majority of illegal immigrants crossing the border aren’t actually Mexican, they come from central/South America
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Coasterphreak posted:You are correct, most drugs that are not weed come from overseas and are smuggled through Mexico. Hell, a majority of illegal immigrants crossing the border aren’t actually Mexican, they come from central/South America final production from precursors is done in Mexico for some things though, which isn't to say anything except that whoever was responsible for design and scale up of enantiomer specific meth synthesis is impressive as hell
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Quackles posted:Doesn't that just make them the government, then? Only if the CIA is also the government then.
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So the cartels are the Taliban? Taquitoban? Al pastor-Qaeda?
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I'm still hoping for that future the Republicans envisioned where there's a taco truck on every corner.
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A.o.D. posted:I'm still hoping for that future the Republicans envisioned where there's a taco truck on every corner. We have that in Texas. Bad news, everything else sucks rear end.
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Discussion Quorum posted:We have that in Texas. Bad news, everything else sucks rear end. there has never been a post more deserving of correlation =/= causation
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A.o.D. posted:I'm still hoping for that future the Republicans envisioned where there's a taco truck on every corner. https://youtu.be/ljrIFqbmKp8?si=ZIh6J9NlvOaVqYu7
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nullscan posted:So the cartels are the Taliban? Taquitoban? Al pastor-Qaeda? Gotta say, Al pastor-Queda sounds pretty awesome. Like really good food truck mexican on fresh flatbread.
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Itchy_Grundle posted:Gotta say, Al pastor-Queda sounds pretty awesome. Like really good food truck mexican on fresh flatbread. If you told me al pastor was made with yellowcake I would not stop eating my taco, just nod along and acknowledge the impending cancer.
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A.o.D. posted:I'm still hoping for that future the Republicans envisioned where there's a taco truck on every corner. The worst scare tactic ever.
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A.o.D. posted:I'm still hoping for that future the Republicans envisioned where there's a taco truck on every corner. my local taco truck outside of an auto repair shop gives me the best tacos I've ever had, 3 of them!
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orange juche posted:my local taco truck outside of an auto repair shop gives me the best tacos I've ever had, 3 of them! auto shop taco truck: helping you roll coal e: HOO LORDY SOMEONE NEEDS THEIR EMISSIONS CHECKED 
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Itchy_Grundle posted:Gotta say, Al pastor-Queda sounds pretty awesome. Like really good food truck mexican on fresh flatbread. Queda con carne.
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nullscan posted:So the cartels are the Taliban? Taquitoban? Al pastor-Qaeda? The analogy I use is real life brotherhood of nod but with meth crystals instead of tiberium. A corporate-military-religious-insurgency that is not a government yet can field an army against the government. They're in business in a way the taliban aren't and the syncretic catholic-death-capitalism-wealth worship religion is equal parts genuinely fascinating and hosed up. (How much of it is a long winded plot by a bald alien to steal another alien's space ship to get home is unknown at this point.) Also re: insurgency hell, they like to use barrets as DMRs so body armor becomes meaningless. On the other hand, we'd finally see an insurgency that uses american trucks for technicals instead of hiluxes.
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iirc the los zetas cartel recruits exclusively from SOF units
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That was their leadership back in the day, I thought, and they've since filtered out as casualties? I do not think you could get number of bodies and replacements for them with requirements that high.
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I think I've asked this before, but what's a technical? And hiluxes?
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Leave posted:I think I've asked this before, but what's a technical? And hiluxes? A technical is roughly a truck with a machine gun (or some other similar combination). And Toyota Hilux is a truck model that was popular for the truck part of the equation in various conflicts.
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Leave posted:I think I've asked this before, but what's a technical? And hiluxes? Not much what's a technical with you
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Top Gear also did a series on its mythical and highly memed durability. Part one here: https://youtu.be/xnWKz7Cthkk?si=eVieWAKwO3oQYUTj
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Toyota trucks are so [in]famous for their use as technicals that there's a conflict semi-officially known as the Toyota War.
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