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ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



CapnAndy could you please explain exactly how you came to be here and what you know? Were you able to read any of the previous threads? Please no one help him

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ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



EGalz18 posted:

Well, PMuzz isn't here because she's scum and probably carried out the nightkill. Not that we can do anything about that here. I'll do the homework to back that up when I get home, but I reconsidered her end of day yesterday and didn't like it

This was my immediate thought tbh. Probably jose also had a night action or was roleblocked so I’m not sure we can directly infer that mae and Josef being here makes them scum.

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



EGalz18 posted:

Maybe CapnAndy depending on what they have to say. But that's mostly mechanical curiosity

If they couldn’t read the last thread I want to see if their answers match up with maugrims. The fact this looks like it’s going to happen every layer makes me doubt they will all be pro-town

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



I’d still like us to eliminate mae but I’ll do a proper reread later as my wologar read was obviously worthless

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



SporkChan posted:

But if they were that low on the list, why did they try to enter the dream? Surely they would have taken another action instead of wasting their night trying to get into a dream they wouldn't have expected to enter.

We can’t assume everyone got an action just from going one layer down. Maybe that was all they could do?

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



CubicalSucrose posted:

Wolo dying suggests some info about resolution order, which is useful.

I don’t see how it’s that useful

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



CapnAndy posted:

I'm here to help!

Tokes PMed me about playing but since I was on vacation from Wednesday to Sunday (GenCon, I had a blast), I couldn't play, but she said there was a role that wouldn't activate until later in the game, and I was like "yes, that please".

I bookmarked the main game so I could catch up when I got home but didn't actually read it, so imagine my surprise to learn there's multiple games going. Very Inception! I'm allowed to read the main game and the first dream up to a certain point, which I'll do over the course of today.

I was hoping you weren’t allowed to read the other threads. Seems maugrim was able to as well which seems odd if you are a dream only entity.

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



CapnAndy posted:

Sorry, quoted the first question immediately and din't see this one, so now y'all get a doublepost.

I'm a part of somebody's subconcious (I guess they got the good training from the movie that lets you do that). Yes, I know who. No, we can't communicate. I'm not sure if they know about me. I'm... not gonna tell you my victory condition five minutes (for me) into a game you guys have been playing for days, because that just seems prudent. Hunting scum is part of it, so I'm happy to focus on just that part until I have a better handle on what's going on and we've all built some trust.

This is new information at least. So your alignment is probably linked to whoever your partner is.

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



SporkChan posted:

Unless the game started with scum severely underpowered, maybe?

Nah never mind. I think Andy (and Maugrim before him) are both fine.

I think this a dangerous thing to assume. Could be either or both of them is linked to the subconscious of a scum player

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



EGalz18 posted:

If they're a part of someone's subconscious, then they should know what that person knows. Makes sense to me: shrug:

Yeah that makes sense

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



CubicalSucrose posted:

Can anyone make a town case on JS?

Why do you want people to make town cases?

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Zoya posted:

okay. so the dream phantoms really are some kind of relation to (probably) the players that never entered the dream at all... weird. neat! weird.

I interpreted the cannot communicate part as they don’t have a masonry together but them being in the other thread makes more sense

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



CubicalSucrose posted:

And it wasn't necessarily that JS was scum, but at worst JS would've been vanilla yet again so on another D1 with a really quick deadline, seemed like a good route to push.

I’m lost

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



CubicalSucrose posted:

JS's result-fishing has led to two outed power roles for this layer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HISBol9014A

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Zoya posted:

scum presumably have an incentive to get to the deepest dream levels

The incentive only needs to be that they can kill in each thread, and the deeper down they go the more nights they get to kill in. They also probably get powers the deeper down they go just like us

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Tired Moritz posted:

yeah I agree that schwinne's plan is pretty bad and I cant imagine how you would want to do that in a townie perspective

It kinda reminds me of that game with scumcube (can’t remember which) where he kept coming out with blatantly terrible plans for town to coordinate. Obviously schwinn’s meta isn’t the same so I’m not 100% sure what to make of it

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Maerlyn posted:

This phrase irks me, since the player (the addition) being just as uninformed as us is a boon to scum

The reason I wanted them to not have read the thread is so they couldn’t just ape what maugrim posted

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Zoya posted:

N1 scum chose to kill a low postcount player, N2 scum chose to kill the highest postcount player

i'm wondering what they learned in between N1 and N2 to compel them to change their strategy like that

Could be scum wanted to ensure one of their players got into the next layer? I know that kinda implicates me but with pmuzz and Jose also not going down could be for Josef or Maerlyn

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Anyway I reread Maerlyn and I’m pretty confident I’m not just tunnelling here. This sequence of events in the first thread confirmed it for me:


Maerlyn goes from this position after town reading Meen most of the day

Maerlyn posted:

I won't vote Meen today

If I thought it would actually go somewhere I'd vote Tom but I doubt it would gain traction, also it may just be OMGUS but his reply to my post didn't make me feel much better about his towniness (I tell Tom his case is wrong and why and he doubles down, but maybe that's town Tom? Idk but I'm tired of beating that dead horse).

##vote Egalz for reasons I stated plus RWC wrote a good couple of posts

Preview edit: my read on Zoya has soured a bit since she isn't participating beyond calling molly scum so would possibly vote there too.

To this position very shortly afterwards after seeing the tide going that way

Maerlyn posted:

Reading Meen:

If scum were given fake role cards yes this looks bad (using particular code words to make it appear like he's VT, I don't know if scum Meen does this though?)

Posts about movies (mentally I was saying "movies movies movies" after each post then got to:)



I wasn't a fan of this then or now, but I need to see what was being discussed around then... Had VT-gate started yet?

Maerlyn posted:

did you forget you claimed VT?

##vote Meen

This was also after scum reading molly (the other vote leader) most of the day too. Really feels like scum helping to secure the miselim.

None of mae’s posts in this or the last thread have convinced me I’m incorrect here either.

Not our issue right now but a mae scumflip would also make me very suspect on molly’s alignment too

##vote mae

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Cube’s posting is so bad I’m almost reluctant to scum read him. Is this just the result of him padding his post count?

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



SporkChan posted:

I'm at this interesting spot where I've got suspicions on Cube, Zoya, and Maer. And then there are people who I read as town saying things like, "For sure Cube, no way Maer." or "Maer is scum, but Zoya is the towniest they've ever been."

I don't expect everyone to agree with me or anything, but the disconnect is making my brain hurt.

For sure this is a strange game, I’ve never seen so many posters have such opposite reads to each other

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Those hard town reading cube or mae can you maybe explain your thought process there?

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



No one like my mae case then?

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



JosefStalinator posted:

walk me through how this is a slip

Yeah this seems like it’s reaching tbh. I’ve had a slight town read of RWC this game so it’s a bit disconcerting to see this laziness

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Maerlyn posted:

No.

(I will actually read it later when I look through ISOs and try to figure out who I would/wouldn't vote for.)

I did catch the part about mostly town reading Meen and then voting him - I gave Sand's comments some thought and could see what he was saying, but also it was right before deadline and we were already close to not eliminating.

I'm torn about you because it does seem like you're scum hunting and I tend to get prickly when I'm scrutinized, but it also feels like you are tunneling me so you don't have to really make any other calls...it's a safe spot to linger because I always look scummy. These are off the top of my head comments, I haven't reread you yet so I could be wrong about who else you've expressed suspicion on.

I can kind of understand that sandwolf was pushing the Meen thing and I felt pressure there too but your main scum read all D1 was Molly who was also a viable elimination candidate

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



JosefStalinator posted:

Cube moving up my list because this seems like something cube could easily do, picked someone who was all over the place, and continues to just blindly throw out weird spec reads and whatnot, none of which is coming off as very good scumhunting or genuine

Cube is spending a massive amount of time post padding and not actually reading anyone’s post history even when suggesting ‘someone should’. I’m definitely feeling inclined to move there if no one else is interested in mae

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Rhymes With Clue posted:

That didn't help did it?

I am okay with no-lynching, actually. we've got it wrong twice. But I can actually see glimmers of town in both Josef and shwinn. Also glimmers of scum.

How does no lunching help us? Please RWC I need some town reads this game and you are rapidly falling off mine

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



kaschei posted:



free spreadsheet of, uh, all the dead people and the playerlist of each thread

If scum can't dream and kill at the same time then one of those 5 in layer1 are scum

I think this probably goes without saying yeah? My worry now is if scum only left 1 player on each layer it’s possible they will outnumber or have parity with town on the next layer.

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Hal Incandenza posted:

If there’s anyone who might be scum trying to get deep enough to get left behind to do a deep kill it would seem to be voodo, who has really only become active when needed to get heat off of him while keeping up post levels with friendly chat to ensure they can get deeper, then just not even trying to do that today

Yeah I need to relook at voodoo, I’m not entirely sure my early meta town read is still valid

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Who’s actually going to be around before deadline? Currently 5 votes away from both cube and Schwinn. Would definitely prefer cube over Schwinn personally

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



##vote cube

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Rereading voodoo and I could maybe see why some are voting him. Last thread he was very much padding his vote count (whether intentional or not) with Olympic posting, threw out a few reads but seemed kinda low effort. This thread he’s basically not been present

I’d still be reluctant to vote there over other candidates based on my reality thread read of him

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



The one thing that I didn’t like from voodoo last thread was him putting me down as his town lock. Maybe it’s just me but I get very paranoid about being pocketed by scum, and I think voodoo knows that when he’s scum I can sometimes sniff him out

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



I wanted to reread Hal or EGalz too but not gonna have time. Will have to see if they are in the same thread as me tomorrow

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



I agree those votes from Hal and TMor don’t look great. TMor has kind of escaped my attention today and he’s hard to read as it is. Will need to have a hard look at him tomorrow if we share a thread

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



I don’t think scum voodoo would be leading his scumbuds openly in the thread like that though so I’d actually put him below Hal and TMor

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Hal Incandenza posted:

Why don't they look great? Because I didn't vote for Zoya? Maer and Zoya are both still unknowns, why is voting one instead of the other particularly bad?

Just the flip from having a vague town read to a scum read of mae seems kind of flippant. I’m commenting on a largely out of context post to be fair

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Voodoofly posted:

poo poo forgot about this.

Quick summary of cases on schwinn and cube or is it basically schwinn all over the place and cube being cube?

Basically, and cube posting poo poo like:

CubicalSucrose posted:

Has anyone backread Wologar yet? Maybe they called the scum team and scum were concerned.

Instead of doing his own work. Just seems like he’s posting to look active

ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
AverageDeathsPerDay = 6
WeaponsUsed = 13



Well there is 4 of us here who are not voting or on cube so we could secure a schwinn elimination if it comes to it

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ObamaAkbar.
Apr 7, 2009

DesiredPopulationMin = 3
DesiredPopulationMax = 19
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Clearly he’s determined to make it to the last layer

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