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SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

*Slight modification to Cube's posted votecount at day end.

Comparing that to the player count here we have the following posters:

- CapnAndy - Mystery
- CubicalSucrose - Poster #2
- Hal Incandenza - Poster #3
- Zoya - Poster #4
- shwinnebego - Poster #5
- Rhymes With Clue - Poster #6
- kaschei - Poster #8
- Voodoofly - Poster #9
- EGalz18 - Poster #10
- SporkChan - Poster #11
- Tired Moritz - Poster #13
- ObamaAkbar. - Poster #14
- JosefStalinator - Poster #16
- Maerlyn - Poster #17

Poster #1, wologar, was killed in the night.
I was told that there was only space for 13 players, ties broken by posting count.

Jose Valasquez had a spot and is not here.
PhantomMuzzles had a spot and is not here.

I'm also suspicious of both Josef and Maer for being here.

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SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
Also, in case people didn't read the flip too closely, deadline is in about 26 hours from now. So not a long day.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

ObamaAkbar. posted:

This was my immediate thought tbh. Probably jose also had a night action or was roleblocked so I’m not sure we can directly infer that mae and Josef being here makes them scum.

But if they were that low on the list, why did they try to enter the dream? Surely they would have taken another action instead of wasting their night trying to get into a dream they wouldn't have expected to enter.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

CubicalSucrose posted:

So I think either:
- Kills happen earlier than going deeper.
- Scum can kill someone going deeper if they also are going deeper.
- (Something else I'm missing)

This doesn't seem super helpful I guess.

I think, going off of answers I got from mods about my own night action, that night actions are processed before layer dream actions.

So the ##dream action most likely goes at the very end of the order, after even the kill.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Hal Incandenza posted:

Yeah stop dreaming deeper if you want reports!

And yeah, this. I suppose it could be that the people who have gotten cool night actions are the one's who have stayed behind in layers?

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

shwinnebego posted:

Should we kill capnandy

Nah. He's a town with an added stipulation (if we believe what he says). So he's town on hard mode, not a 3P.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

CubicalSucrose posted:

Ehhh. Hard to say. Setup spec suggests it'd be imbalanced to just keep adding new anti-town each layer?

Unless the game started with scum severely underpowered, maybe?

Nah never mind. I think Andy (and Maugrim before him) are both fine.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

ObamaAkbar. posted:

I think this a dangerous thing to assume. Could be either or both of them is linked to the subconscious of a scum player

Yeah I wasn't clear. Maugrim played like a town, and so far Andy seems to be too.

That's why I'm thinking they are fine, not just based on setup stuff.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

CapnAndy posted:

Can you real people choose to wake up? What would happen, I wonder. It's "still" day 2 down here but I bet they've moved on since then.

We can only go deeper, no way to forceably wake ourselves up. At least, not yet.

Also, deeper layers of the dream experience time more slowly (That's from the movie flavor), so it's still somewhere in Day 2 up above.
-It's I suspect we are having shorter day/night cycles.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

CubicalSucrose posted:

Because I don't want to fullclaim and hardpush JS today if I missed something.

I really don't understand this. What would you be claiming?

Because this:

Zoya posted:

no. this is somewhat stupid for me to reveal but scum will already know it explicitly and VT do not, so i think it's probably a net benefit -- i've been VT in reality and VT in the dream, but i actually have an action now, and i can explicitly confirm you have to choose between taking your action and dreaming again. so we'll probably never get night action results if we keep going deeper into the dream, only the people that stay behind will get them

CubicalSucrose posted:

Well Zoya beat me to it.

makes me think you are just going to claim that you have an action and JS doesn't, which somehow makes him worthy of being voted.


If I'm misunderstanding and you have some night action result I'd love to hear it. And to hear how you descended both nights but also got a result of any kind.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Zoya posted:

aside from what i revealed for the benefit of town gaining knowledge that scum presumably had the whole time, i don't think it's a good idea to ever claim anything at all in this game (unless you stay behind in a layer)

in one sense, we're in D3 of a game right now. but in another very real sense, we're always in D1 unless we stay behind, where/when we can play "normal" mafia and get night results and corner scum more easily

this is a very weird setup and it's pretty wild to see it in action

1. This setup is weird, but awesome and I'm so happy I'm in the game.

2. Haven't we been assuming that 'dreaming' takes the place of a night action all game? I know someone mentioned that the killer of zzyzx must have stayed behind in 'reality' in order to do the kill in the Layer 1 thread.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

shwinnebego posted:

I also gained an action, but won’t be full claiming. It seems to me that we might want to try to coordinate who goes another layer deep tomorrow

For today I shall assume scum on the tucker elimination and start by hunting among those of you who voted there

I think the only coordinating we are going to be doing is trying to out-post the people we don't want there.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

JosefStalinator posted:

It seems like more people gain powers and kind of naturally slough off as they choose to act instead of dream

Yes, but I don't think we are going to get people volunteering to stay behind or anything like that.

If group consensus was that you, Josef, should stay behind because you haven't gotten any powers yet, clearly you won't get any (or some reasoning), would you actually listen? I doubt I would.

Lower levels are where the fun is!

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

shwinnebego posted:

We could also agree to have people not descend. Scum is doing this and we should at least consider it too

We don't know that.

For all we know scum have all been descending and each kill we've been told about was a town night vig.

Even if they've been leaving one behind each day, the scum density has been increasing as we go down layers.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

shwinnebego posted:

My opinion about this is so uncontroversially and self evidently correct that I swear anyone who disagrees has to be scum lol

What Zoya said. Town coordination is more likely to give info to scum, unless town can box all the scum in. That doesn't seem likely on what is basically a D1 where no one has any results to start the boxing process.

So if we attempt to coordinate I think all we do is compile a target list for the scums.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Zoya posted:

i was thinking that maybe the "if you are someone with imagination" bit in our role PMs meant that higher postcount = better night action, and scum figured that out, and merc'd wolo for it... but on checking the older postcounts, it doesn't really make sense. i was third highest postcount in the first thread, and wound up VT in the 2nd thread. i didn't want to voice this thought outloud incase scum hadn't thought of it, but on thinking further i'm pretty sure it's not actually how it works, otherwise i probably would have had an action in the first dream. and wolo was 2nd highest postcount in the first thread, but flipped VT, so that's double confirmation it doesn't...


waait a minute, shwinne was top postcount in the first thread. wolo was top postcount in the 2nd thread, but is dead. did shwinne get a special shiny prize for being top postcount? and then scum killed wolo to prevent him from getting it??

My assumption has been either 1 of 2 options:

1. Everyone was given a slot randomly at the very beginning of this game. These slots had predetermined powers at various dream layers. So you, Zoya, would always have been given a power at Layer 2 and if you just never descended that far? No power for you.
2. Each layer has a predetermined power distribution which is randomized amongst the player who descend to that layer. So if you didn't descend to Layer 2, some other player would have gotten the power you got.

This isn't helpful for finding scum, but I really can't seem to help myself theorizing how this game works.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
I'm at this interesting spot where I've got suspicions on Cube, Zoya, and Maer. And then there are people who I read as town saying things like, "For sure Cube, no way Maer." or "Maer is scum, but Zoya is the towniest they've ever been."

I don't expect everyone to agree with me or anything, but the disconnect is making my brain hurt.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Zoya posted:

wow i was expecting more posts when i got back to the thread i guess everyone else must've went to go pick up taco tuesday 6 tacos for 10 bucks too

how'd y'all like your tacos? mine were okay

i miss tacos :sadwave:

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Zoya posted:

drat where you at that they outlawed tacos you should rise up

Upstate NY. They're aren't outlawed, they just don't count as real tacos.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

CubicalSucrose posted:

1) Point me to three good JS posts across the whole game.
2) Why would JS, as VT, end D2 16th in postcount?

The absence of town posts is not the same as scum posts.

##vote Cube

If you want to make a case then go for it, but stop outsourcing.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
I'm at work, but I'll be around for the rest of the day. Still the Cube looks worst, but I don't like that drive by vote from shwinn.

And RWC just tossing her hands up and going "Let's just not vote out anyone!" does feel more frustrated town than scum, but it's still a bad plan.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

##vote Josef

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
Ahh, felt good.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
Back to game though.

##vote Cube

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

CapnAndy posted:

Cube do you wanna talk about how I just cased you or are we ignoring that in the hopes you can skate by with a panic-swap to shwinne at deadline

I think he's just posting as he catches up. Helps to pad the post count by responding to each thing he sees instead of reading it all and processing before posting.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Voodoofly posted:

Just bad timing for me. First day back after long weekend coupled with netrunner at the pub night coupled with getting rattled after work trying to help someone ODing and now I’m trying to catch up while getting little fly out the door


What is your succinct case on schwinn. I don’t even remember what he has posted in this dream

schwinn has posted very little this layer.

He made a post about how we should all coordinate day actions, which recieved push back from multiple sources. He then said that anyone pushing back was scummy. Then he's mostly disappeared, except for a drive by vote on kaschei which I also didn't like.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.
Everyone here, except for CapnAndy, has had basically 100+ hours of D1 mafia.

I know my brain has started to leak out of my ears over this game, I'm not giving anyone too much poo poo for doing the same.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

Voodoofly posted:

What day actions?

A few people, myself included, have claimed to have some night actions now. But no one has claimed what any of those actions are.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

SporkChan posted:

A few people, myself included, have claimed to have some night actions now. But no one has claimed what any of those actions are.

Well, now Cube has claimed I guess.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

EGalz18 posted:

Hmm... I can definitely switch, but I want to see what happens if ##vote TMor

I mean, not much. Not enough people to switch to a whole new case, and I'm pretty sure TMor is sleeping at this time of day.

SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

JosefStalinator posted:

I know its permanent day one because everyone is weakly sussing me but not doing anything about it

Yeah. I didn't really bother with making posts today because I can't keep up so I can finally have a D2.

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SporkChan
Oct 20, 2010

One day I will proofread my posts well, but today is not that day.

kaschei posted:

I think molly is probably town because scum probably could have kept her from getting kicked

Not if there was only 1 scum left on the top layer.

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