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Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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SporkChan posted:

Also, in case people didn't read the flip too closely, deadline is in about 26 hours from now. So not a long day.

Ty. Trying to figure out timezones is a bitch

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Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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CapnAndy posted:

Sorry, quoted the first question immediately and din't see this one, so now y'all get a doublepost.

I'm a part of somebody's subconcious (I guess they got the good training from the movie that lets you do that). Yes, I know who. No, we can't communicate. I'm not sure if they know about me. I'm... not gonna tell you my victory condition five minutes (for me) into a game you guys have been playing for days, because that just seems prudent. Hunting scum is part of it, so I'm happy to focus on just that part until I have a better handle on what's going on and we've all built some trust.

okay so you're 3p

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Zoya posted:

no. this is somewhat stupid for me to reveal but scum will already know it explicitly and VT do not, so i think it's probably a net benefit -- i've been VT in reality and VT in the dream, but i actually have an action now, and i can explicitly confirm you have to choose between taking your action and dreaming again. so we'll probably never get night action results if we keep going deeper into the dream, only the people that stay behind will get them

I can confirm this as well.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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CubicalSucrose posted:

JS's result-fishing has led to two outed power roles for this layer.

I think most of us are going to be PRs as long as we keep dreaming

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Has Maerlyn and Josef given a good reason why they are here? What's with Maerlyn's whole "yeah just kill me and I'll drop down" thing?

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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What are the chances that CaptAndy is a traitor and will flip if scum gets low

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Flips sides*

Worse case scenario, if there are scum in all the threads and they all get killed, this game would end pretty quickly. And the same thing for town, if town keeps getting ML'd, that would effectively mean that town dies at an excessively faster rate?

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Idk it just seems very strange for a game to be balanced on random townies being added in? That basically negated the whole point of voting if we actually have no risk of losing

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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If CaptAndy is really town then scum probably knew maug is probably town as well? Wouldnt it be more strategic for scum to stay back than move up because the thread itself would effectively self cull its players for them?

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Can we decide if dreaming successfully means "going a layer up" or "going a layer down"? So confusing.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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CapnAndy posted:

It's entirely possible that both town and scum were seeded with trained subconciousnesses when the game began, and who shows up where is dependent on who goes how deep.

Like, to be clear, I'm not here randomly! I'm the subconcious of a specific player, I wasn't sat at the second level and told to wait.

Oh then if the other player never dreamt or got killed before you can play, then what?

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Zoya posted:

scum presumably have an incentive to get to the deepest dream levels

presumably is a big IF though.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Zoya posted:

well check your role PM and let us know for sure then

boooooo

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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CapnAndy posted:

Maybe I never play? Maybe the mods are keeping a list of people on standby to be constructs, I was at the top of it, and I'd have been brought in as the subconcious of the next person to dream instead? I don't know.

mmmmmmmm, honestly not a satisfying answer but I guess theres no need to pursue this at this time anyway. I dont think mods would be dumping scum in the thread at random.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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yeah I agree that schwinne's plan is pretty bad and I cant imagine how you would want to do that in a townie perspective

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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##vote schwinne

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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CubicalSucrose posted:

Okay. Here's where my head was at earlier today.

1) I have thought JS scummy since D1.
2) I was VT Level 0, VT Level 1 (Train), non-VT Level 2 (School).
3) JS was on the borderline of activity in Level 1 and didn't make any strong efforts to post out of it (contrast with EGalz who I pushed similarly in the Train).
4) Short day.
5) JS asked for results today.
6) I haven't fully reread the previous days.

JS asking about results suggests something like one of:
A) They are VT L0 & L1 & L2 (in which case, why risk staying on L1 with too-low activity to guarantee a slot in L2?).
B) They are scum trying to fish out power roles and/or setup info.

Rather than asking people for a scum case on JS (because I already had a scum read on JS), I asked for town cases (because of point #6 above I might've forgotten something important that JS did that was a good thing).

Since we're now two power roles down, and again short day, it seems like eliminating an at-worst-VT is a pretty good starting point for this day. We also have the CapnAndy default elim if we want, but I think JS is scummier.

I can see the logic but I rather vote for scum. whats the case on JS

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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JosefStalinator posted:

How is speculating about alignment scummy thats the entire point of this game

:yeah:

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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mmmm maybe maerlyn is just bored town. honestly, permanent day 1 with no info is driving me a bit bonkers too.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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I think it's schwinne and I think sandwolf separating away from them is done to distance themselves from each other.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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I have work. People are welcome to tell me why their cases are better or else I'm sticking with Schwinne

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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CubicalSucrose posted:

Shwinn had a decent D2 I think? Whereas JS has had zero good days.

Was Schwinne day 2 really decent?

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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I legit thought voodoo was in the other thread wtf

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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I think he's busy tho

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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We're gonna no lunch, are we

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Capdandy is obvious 3p though?

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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I really don't think we're getting airdropped scum out of nowhere. Worst case, CaptAndy is a SK that activates when all scum in his layer is dead.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Even if you don't want to think about that, Cappy's reply to me saying that they're 3P was some weird "I guess so because I want scum to lose". which is like yeah. Some 3P win with town like that so it's technically not a lie.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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CapnAndy posted:

Again, to be clear: I do not necessarily win with the town. I win if all threats to Dream Corp are eliminated and something else happens first. It is possible for the town to win and me to lose. It is not possible for me to win if the town loses. As SporkChan put it better than I could, I'm town on hard mode.

I don't get it? Are you 3P or not? Because that's basically the definition of a 3P.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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CapnAndy posted:

Technically yes. If I die I'm gonna flip as self-aligned. But I'm not the common definition of 3P, since I win with the town or not at all. I'm not free to sell my services to the scum if it'd advance my goals, whereas most 3Ps can, which is what makes them so dangerous.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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I'm not particularly sure I care for the doomposter there

I think schwinne is a much better target this day though

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Wow, look at this 8 hr sleeper

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Maybe schwinne and rwc are both scum because both ideas are wild as hell

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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no im not scum

very interesting that you guys vote cube, the person who was at least engaging with the game by posting post counts to schwinne who afked out. thanks :thumbsup:

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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egalz sure enjoyed spamming posts to get their post count up

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Capt, do you know how many scum is there

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Okay, a bit hostile there

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Considering that I had to drag the fact that you're 3P out, you can't be mad if I wanted more info from you when you already insinuated that you think scum might have a larger population here

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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Oh. Honestly I forgot about that. Kinda weird that people kept talking about that later in the day then

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Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

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CapnAndy posted:

My intended tone was incredulity, not hostility. And I don't think that I insinuated that? What I said was that I expect there's a game mechanic incentivizing the scum to dream dive, since absent one, it's an incredibly obvious optimal play to not dream at all. And if I'm right, that means that at least some of them would have kept going down.

Mmmm, I don't disagree. Who do you think is the scum tho

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