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CubicalSucrose: Jan 1, 2013; Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Maerlyn posted:

I'm surprised I'm here too, I thought I wouldn't make the cut

I'm still vanilla / have no other night actions other than dreaming so I've just "entered the dream" both nights...not sure what would have happened if I did nothing, maybe stay in dream level 1?

Also I expect to be the yeet today but Cube is absolutely scum ##vote Cube

Why do you think I'm scum?

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# ¿ May 13, 2025 20:17

CubicalSucrose: Jan 1, 2013; Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Wolo dying suggests some info about resolution order, which is useful.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 15:25

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EGalz18 posted:

Potentially, yeah. You thinking actions that affect the current layer get resolved first before folks have a chance to get snoozy?

So I think either:
- Kills happen earlier than going deeper.
- Scum can kill someone going deeper if they also are going deeper.
- (Something else I'm missing)

This doesn't seem super helpful I guess.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 15:40

CubicalSucrose: Jan 1, 2013; Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

JosefStalinator posted:

And probably never will be sadly

Are we ever gonna get night action reports or anything from anyone

My guess is it's D1 all the way down, friend.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 16:02

CubicalSucrose: Jan 1, 2013; Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

##vote JosefStalinator

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 16:58

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shwinnebego posted:

Should we kill capnandy

Ehhh. Hard to say. Setup spec suggests it'd be imbalanced to just keep adding new anti-town each layer?

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 17:04

CubicalSucrose: Jan 1, 2013; Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Can anyone make a town case on JS?

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 17:22

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ObamaAkbar. posted:

Why do you want people to make town cases?

Because I don't want to fullclaim and hardpush JS today if I missed something.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 17:53

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Hal Incandenza posted:

Oh well ok then, this partial claim that you have reason to think JS is scum is certainly a thing though

Well Zoya beat me to it.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 18:06

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Hal Incandenza posted:

Oh well ok then, this partial claim that you have reason to think JS is scum is certainly a thing though

And it wasn't necessarily that JS was scum, but at worst JS would've been vanilla yet again so on another D1 with a really quick deadline, seemed like a good route to push.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 18:10

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Hal Incandenza posted:

Do we have confirmation somewhere that the reality thread was responsible? That's quite interesting if so

Token Female posted:

mollyohreally has has woken up. They have disappeared from this game and must return to the reality thread. With 20 alive it takes 11 to vote someone out.

Unclear.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 18:18

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JS's result-fishing has led to two outed power roles for this layer.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 19:12

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Maerlyn posted:

on what are you basing your information?

Wol dying and generally understanding how mafia works?

As someone who has to make a real decision tonight, it was very top of mind.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 19:14

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Hal Incandenza posted:

His what now?

JosefStalinator posted:

And probably never will be sadly

Are we ever gonna get night action reports or anything from anyone

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 19:15

CubicalSucrose: Jan 1, 2013; Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

SporkChan posted:

*Slight modification to Cube's posted votecount at day end.

Comparing that to the player count here we have the following posters:

- CapnAndy - Mystery
- CubicalSucrose - Poster #2
- Hal Incandenza - Poster #3
- Zoya - Poster #4
- shwinnebego - Poster #5
- Rhymes With Clue - Poster #6
- kaschei - Poster #8
- Voodoofly - Poster #9
- EGalz18 - Poster #10
- SporkChan - Poster #11
- Tired Moritz - Poster #13
- ObamaAkbar. - Poster #14
- JosefStalinator - Poster #16
- Maerlyn - Poster #17

Poster #1, wologar, was killed in the night.
I was told that there was only space for 13 players, ties broken by posting count.

Jose Valasquez had a spot and is not here.
PhantomMuzzles had a spot and is not here.

I'm also suspicious of both Josef and Maer for being here.

If JS were legit Vanilla this whole time they should've been posting more yesterday.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 19:17

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Zoya posted:

i really hate that post ##vote shwinne

Did I want to keep Shwinn before today? They were high-posting yesterday, I think, yeah?

Here's ~where I'm at right now, I think.

Scummier

JosefStalinator (He/him)
shwinnebego (he/him)
Tired Moritz

[default option] CapnAndy (he/him, will also accept "cis scum")

kaschei
Voodoofly (He/Him/Whatever)
ObamaAkbar. (He/him)
Rhymes With Clue
EGalz18 (She/Her)

Maerlyn (she/her)
Hal Incandenza (he/him/hal)
SporkChan (He/Him)
Zoya

Townier

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 19:34

CubicalSucrose: Jan 1, 2013; Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Tricky deadline, I should be able to be around for at least an hour beforehand.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 19:50

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ObamaAkbar. posted:

I�m lost

Okay. Here's where my head was at earlier today.

1) I have thought JS scummy since D1.
2) I was VT Level 0, VT Level 1 (Train), non-VT Level 2 (School).
3) JS was on the borderline of activity in Level 1 and didn't make any strong efforts to post out of it (contrast with EGalz who I pushed similarly in the Train).
4) Short day.
5) JS asked for results today.
6) I haven't fully reread the previous days.

JS asking about results suggests something like one of:
A) They are VT L0 & L1 & L2 (in which case, why risk staying on L1 with too-low activity to guarantee a slot in L2?).
B) They are scum trying to fish out power roles and/or setup info.

Rather than asking people for a scum case on JS (because I already had a scum read on JS), I asked for town cases (because of point #6 above I might've forgotten something important that JS did that was a good thing).

Since we're now two power roles down, and again short day, it seems like eliminating an at-worst-VT is a pretty good starting point for this day. We also have the CapnAndy default elim if we want, but I think JS is scummier.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 20:36

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Zoya posted:

you don't have any thoughts on shwinne's insanely anti-town "lets all publicly coordinate who will and won't dream" idea?

I immediately moved them to 2nd scummiest on my Lumpenlist.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 20:43

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ObamaAkbar. posted:

Those hard town reading cube or mae can you maybe explain your thought process there?

I'm not hard-townMaer, more soft townMaer. They provided enough info yesterday that I felt better about them after the awkward D1. Their justification for the snapvote on me today was super weak and I don't see scumMaer trying to push me out in that way.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 21:54

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Zoya posted:

CUBE, SHWINNE, EXPLAIN YOURSELVES OR FACE MY BLADE, BLAGGARDS

I think I've explained just about everything relevant?

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 21:58

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Maerlyn posted:

Since people keep bringing up the "voluntary execution" thing, it's NAI other than I wouldn't pull something like that as scum. Twisting yourselves into pretzels due to WIFOM isn't helping find scum... At least OA has bothered to make a real case.

If I am not voted out I'm going to keep dream diving until I become god-like.

I feel like one of us is misunderstanding what NAI means.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 22:01

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Maerlyn posted:

Cube I wanted to ask you this earlier when you mentioned SAW:

Is The Child still wrestling? I haven't been in the thread or Twitch so I assume she's been put out to pasture

You got deathmatched but I think you survived?

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 22:25

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Zoya posted:

i mean, i wasn't expecting a real response because it's deep in the weeds of setup spec and if both of you are scum you'd never answer and if either or both of you are town, or just if my wild setup spec was wrong, you'd have no answers to give, but i was referring to this:

Has anyone backread Wologar yet? Maybe they called the scum team and scum were concerned.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2024 23:09

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Zoya posted:

wow i was expecting more posts when i got back to the thread i guess everyone else must've went to go pick up taco tuesday 6 tacos for 10 bucks too

how'd y'all like your tacos? mine were okay

I rarely eat tacos because there's almost always a better food option.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2024 01:40

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Zoya posted:

8 votes to exe, deadline is noon EST tomorrow (15 hours)

i definitely wont be here for deadline i been waking up at like 2

so hopefully we can figure out what we're doing in the next ehhhhh 8 hours before i go to sleep

voting: shwinne

could vote: cube, maybe maer, maybe tmor

don't wanna vote: voodoo, spork, capnandy

idk: the rest of you

wow kaschei has made exactly 1 post in this thread since it opened

Why not JS?

# ¿ Aug 7, 2024 01:40

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Tired Moritz posted:

I have work. People are welcome to tell me why their cases are better or else I'm sticking with Schwinne

Shwinn had a decent D2 I think? Whereas JS has had zero good days.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2024 01:42

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Zoya posted:

you've seemed town today but you seemed scummyish yesterday so in conclusion josefstalinator is a land of contrasts

sell me on it, your earlier case made no sense to me

1) Point me to three good JS posts across the whole game.
2) Why would JS, as VT, end D2 16th in postcount?

# ¿ Aug 7, 2024 01:45

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JosefStalinator posted:

Why do I care about my post count?

# ¿ Aug 7, 2024 15:32

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Tired Moritz posted:

Was Schwinne day 2 really decent?

Maybe? I'd have to reread.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2024 15:33

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JosefStalinator posted:

cube who scum if not me

I'm 130 posts behind will get to it soon-ish.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2024 15:33

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JosefStalinator posted:

Has voodoo done anything today? Wolo.wss most dramatic about them

Voodoo and Kaschei each had been minimally active at this point, Kaschei had been called out about it earlier I think.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2024 15:35

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Maerlyn posted:

I forgot how short this day is, I'll try to recalibrate tomorrow morning...I need to look up prior posts/make some mental notes because I can't remember poo poo between 3 thread histories

Good thing you're voting me for *checks notes*

Maerlyn posted:

Reluctance to make actual cases/read past threads

there is more but honestly it's mostly vibe based

I'll have to explain more later, it's vet time for our tortoise

Reluctance to read prior posts/threads.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2024 15:36

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Tired Moritz posted:

We're gonna no lunch, are we

I tried to get ahead of this.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2024 15:37

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Rhymes With Clue posted:

That didn't help did it?

I am okay with no-lynching, actually. we've got it wrong twice. But I can actually see glimmers of town in both Josef and shwinn. Also glimmers of scum.

No! Bad! The OP continues to say it is bad!

# ¿ Aug 7, 2024 15:38

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Rhymes With Clue posted:

Sorry about your poo poo day. Mine wasn't very good either.

Would not vote kashcei today but wouldn't a no-lynch be better than axing another townie for the 3rd day in a row?

Move RwC scummier on the list.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2024 15:39

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Rhymes With Clue posted:

If no-ex is bad they shoulda said we can do plurality especially in a huge game. Although we have anaged to ax a couple with even huger umbers to work with.

They repeatedly pointed out when the high activity portion of this game would be and everyone has more than 10 posts right now I think so I don't think calling this a moderation snafu is a very fair thing.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2024 15:40

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Zoya posted:

it's not that i believe capnandy explicitly or that i think its any sort of guarantee that he isnt scum, it's that i think yeeting any of these dream-only players on the day they appear is a mistake mechanically

if they're scum, they'll reveal themselves to the players who stay on whatever layer they're on -- outing maugrim as scum, for example, is the responsibility of the players we left behind in layer 1. similarly, outing capnandy as scum is the responsibility of whoever of us don't dream tonight and stay on layer 2. we have infinitely more information on the players that have been in the game since the start, so yeeting someone we don't have any interactions or history of posts to look back on is a foolish no-info move (and also feels a bit unsporting)

mentioned this explicitly earlier, here (bold added):

I disagree that WE have "far more" info than they do, as they can read the same content as us, it seems.

We've had more processing time (probably) and yes there's less info, but I'm not sure it's sufficiently less info to policy not-vote them.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2024 15:42

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kaschei posted:

free spreadsheet of, uh, all the dead people and the playerlist of each thread

If scum can't dream and kill at the same time then one of those 5 in layer1 are scum

The L0 stuff is potentially inaccurate right now, and the L1 may have had another kick since we've left.

Scum mech assumptions seem risky, but this is helpful context to see all by itself.

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# ¿ May 13, 2025 20:17

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CapnAndy posted:

Cube do you wanna talk about how I just cased you or are we ignoring that in the hopes you can skate by with a panic-swap to shwinne at deadline

I'm reading back in order I'll get to it in 3 pages or something stop this nonsense.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2024 15:45

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