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CubicalSucrose posted:Wolo dying suggests some info about resolution order, which is useful. ???
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JosefStalinator posted:And probably never will be sadly no. this is somewhat stupid for me to reveal but scum will already know it explicitly and VT do not, so i think it's probably a net benefit -- i've been VT in reality and VT in the dream, but i actually have an action now, and i can explicitly confirm you have to choose between taking your action and dreaming again. so we'll probably never get night action results if we keep going deeper into the dream, only the people that stay behind will get them
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CapnAndy posted:Sorry, quoted the first question immediately and din't see this one, so now y'all get a doublepost. okay. so the dream phantoms really are some kind of relation to (probably) the players that never entered the dream at all... weird. neat! weird.
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Aug 6, 2024 18:03
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ObamaAkbar. posted:This is new information at least. So your alignment is probably linked to whoever your partner is. yeah, it's probably a solid bet that one of the phantoms (maug/capnandy/whoever we get tomorrow) won't be town but this is good info we didn't have before so i'm very content to leave capnandy living his best deeper dream life
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Aug 6, 2024 18:07
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JosefStalinator posted:interesting, this suggests that scum (probably) can't kill and dream, or maybe even take other actions probably. it's kind of a fascinating idea that every dream level we probably shed a stab-happy scum, so every day if you get left behind you know there's probably a killer with you on that layer
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Hal Incandenza posted:Do we have confirmation somewhere that the reality thread was responsible? That's quite interesting if so we do, but we probably weren't supposed to know. it was on the modpost of zzyzx's flip in the original thread, that they'd be voting to wake one of us up. cats out of the bag cuz we all saw it in the shuffle about what we were and weren't allowed to read, but mod intentions were probably for it to be a surprise mystery when molly suddenly woke up mid-thread i wonder if the same thing will happen today? reality thread may or may not know who is in deep dream vs deeper dream so if they can wake someone up their selection pool would probably encompass both...?
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Aug 6, 2024 18:14
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SporkChan posted:Also, deeper layers of the dream experience time more slowly 
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Aug 6, 2024 18:24
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it's really hard not to feel like we're in an eternal D1 in this game
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Aug 6, 2024 18:45
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i guess the folks that don't go down a layer break free of that feeling, probably
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Maerlyn posted:It's pretty hard to believe any claim without evidence of some kind, because fake claims are a big part of your scum strategy he was (presumably) going to reveal the same thing i did CubicalSucrose posted:Well Zoya beat me to it.
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Aug 6, 2024 18:48
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aside from what i revealed for the benefit of town gaining knowledge that scum presumably had the whole time, i don't think it's a good idea to ever claim anything at all in this game (unless you stay behind in a layer) in one sense, we're in D3 of a game right now. but in another very real sense, we're always in D1 unless we stay behind, where/when we can play "normal" mafia and get night results and corner scum more easily this is a very weird setup and it's pretty wild to see it in action
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Aug 6, 2024 18:51
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Maerlyn posted:I hope town have some means of communicating outside the thread because if we follow the rules as instructed, we don't know if anyone was voted out on the other layers or if they were scum. It is hard to make reads on not the most current info. well, that's not our problem, is the way i see it. we're in a game with just the
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Maerlyn posted:ah I suppose I should go back and actually read to see what else I missed well, also, SporkChan posted:I really don't understand this. What would you be claiming? yeah i don't really understand what cube revealing the "you have to choose dream or action" info bit has anything to do with Josef. he framed the information weirdly, i'd like to know why
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Aug 6, 2024 18:58
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SporkChan posted:1. This setup is weird, but awesome and I'm so happy I'm in the game. we've been assuming it but didn't know it explicitly. scum would have known it explicitly because theyve had a NK action all game, whereas (most of) town haven't had actions, some still don't i thought it would be to town's general benefit to reveal it, since the action i got doesn't seem very critical so it wouldn't be a huge detriment if revealing i have an action got me killed or RB'd or something
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Maerlyn posted:If you're allowed to read the main game are you allowed to pass on whatever happened in thread after D1 hammer (around page 35)? CapnAndy posted:No, sorry. "A certain point" was meant to modify both "the main game" and "the first dream"; I've got cutout points on both.
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CubicalSucrose posted:JS's result-fishing has led to two outed power roles for this layer. 
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CubicalSucrose posted:If JS were legit Vanilla this whole time they should've been posting more yesterday. i can't put my finger on why exactly but the way you're going about sussing josef today doesn't feel right it feels like you're working backwards
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Aug 6, 2024 19:21
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shwinnebego posted:It seems to me that we might want to try to coordinate who goes another layer deep tomorrow
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i really hate that post ##vote shwinne
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shwinnebego posted:Zoya doesn’t like (1) the fact that I voted her and (2) the fact that I am encouraging town to think about who should stay behind, which her scum team is already doing no, i don't like that you want to publicly coordinate town actions, telling scum exactly who to kill yes, scum can guess that the player with the highest post count probably won't be taking an action other than dreaming, but if i say "aha, yes, i will be staying behind" then they know that i will be taking [some action] and it's in scum's best interests to prevent town from taking actions since they don't know if it's a cop, a doc, a vig, whatever wologar was a very weird kill choice, for that matter, but it's not really worth thinking about too hard because that's what the "deep dream" team have to figure out today without us
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i didn't react to your vote earlier because it made sense, i was one of the loudest votes condemning TT and he turned out to be town
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Zoya posted:i didn't react to your vote earlier because it made sense, i was one of the loudest votes condemning TT and he turned out to be town maf edit: loudest voices *, not votes
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Tired Moritz posted:Has Maerlyn and Josef given a good reason why they are here? What's with Maerlyn's whole "yeah just kill me and I'll drop down" thing? i think it's pretty obvious -- it's not "the top 10 posters go a layer down", it's "10 people can go a layer down, and if more than 10 sign up top posters get priority" i can see people staying behind intentionally even beyond doing so because they had a night action to perform maer's self-sacrifice offer from yesterday remains weird, though
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Tired Moritz posted:Idk it just seems very strange for a game to be balanced on random townies being added in? That basically negated the whole point of voting if we actually have no risk of losing
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Tired Moritz posted:If CaptAndy is really town then scum probably knew maug is probably town as well? Wouldnt it be more strategic for scum to stay back than move up because the thread itself would effectively self cull its players for them? scum presumably have an incentive to get to the deepest dream levels
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Tired Moritz posted:Can we decide if dreaming successfully means "going a layer up" or "going a layer down"? So confusing. it's going a layer down
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Tired Moritz posted:presumably is a big IF though. well check your role PM and let us know for sure then
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this is a very short day, i don't think it's fruitful to spin our wheels setup speccing about the dream-only players aside from "one of them is probably scum" (either maug, captandy, or whoever we'll see in the next layer). i also don't think it makes any sense to vote them on D1 of whatever layer they appear on anyway -- we have far more info about the rest of us. let the non-dreamers of each layer sort them out
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Zoya posted:this is a very short day, i don't think it's fruitful to spin our wheels setup speccing about the dream-only players aside from "one of them is probably scum" (either maug, captandy, or whoever we'll see in the next layer). i also don't think it makes any sense to vote them on D1 of whatever layer they appear on anyway -- we have far more info about the rest of us. let the non-dreamers of each layer sort them out oh, it's not quite as short as i thought, i thought it was a 12hr day. 20.5 hour deadline currently. doesn't change my thinking, though
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funny thought just occurred to me -- probably not relevant because this town so fiercely believes in ACAB that we yeeted the cop and the backup cop back to back d1 and d2 -- but if someone is a cop, and uses their night action on a scum that dreams, the cop is then left in the prior layer KNOWING who scum is but not being able to do anything about it because said scum is in a deeper layer, out of their grasp so even for the non-dreamers, night results may not be actionable... this is such a weird game i love it
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CubicalSucrose posted:Okay. Here's where my head was at earlier today. you don't have any thoughts on shwinne's insanely anti-town "lets all publicly coordinate who will and won't dream" idea?
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CubicalSucrose posted:I immediately moved them to 2nd scummiest on my Lumpenlist. fair
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did anyone post the postcount of the first thread prior to our exit? and the postcount of the 2nd thread prior to our exit? do we have those archived prior to players continuing to post in them muddying the waters? having a thought i don't know if i should say outloud but can't find a screenshot in the previous thread of postcounts from the first thread
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found it, posting here for my own reference / y'alls -- it was spork both times, ty sporkSporkChan posted:This was the post count at end of D1, with numerical rankings of everyone's post counts. (Josef subbed in for ANarc, but ANarc never posted, so Josef's count stands alone.) SporkChan posted:
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N1 scum chose to kill a low postcount player, N2 scum chose to kill the highest postcount player i'm wondering what they learned in between N1 and N2 to compel them to change their strategy like that
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ObamaAkbar. posted:Could be scum wanted to ensure one of their players got into the next layer? I know that kinda implicates me but with pmuzz and Jose also not going down could be for Josef or Maerlyn i was thinking that maybe the "if you are someone with imagination" bit in our role PMs meant that higher postcount = better night action, and scum figured that out, and merc'd wolo for it... but on checking the older postcounts, it doesn't really make sense. i was third highest postcount in the first thread, and wound up VT in the 2nd thread. i didn't want to voice this thought outloud incase scum hadn't thought of it, but on thinking further i'm pretty sure it's not actually how it works, otherwise i probably would have had an action in the first dream. and wolo was 2nd highest postcount in the first thread, but flipped VT, so that's double confirmation it doesn't... waait a minute, shwinne was top postcount in the first thread. wolo was top postcount in the 2nd thread, but is dead. did shwinne get a special shiny prize for being top postcount? and then scum killed wolo to prevent him from getting it??
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Zoya posted:waait a minute, shwinne was top postcount in the first thread. wolo was top postcount in the 2nd thread, but is dead. did shwinne get a special shiny prize for being top postcount? and then scum killed wolo to prevent him from getting it?? that would leave cube with the highest (alive) postcount...
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CUBE, SHWINNE, EXPLAIN YOURSELVES OR FACE MY BLADE, BLAGGARDS
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SporkChan posted:I'm at this interesting spot where I've got suspicions on Cube, Zoya, and Maer. And then there are people who I read as town saying things like, "For sure Cube, no way Maer." or "Maer is scum, but Zoya is the towniest they've ever been." same boat
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