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I need to see this movie now.
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Apr 4, 2025 02:54
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CelticPredator posted:Predators kicks rear end. I just rewatched it and it holds up well Maybe (I owe it a rewatch). But it's on the same level of originality as Romulus.
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Apr 4, 2025 02:54
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The Predator is the only Predator main movie that isn't good, I think? it should have been, the backing cast is pretty good and Shane Black is usually good, but man what a resounding fart that thing was Predators is great, Adrien Brody is loving RIPPED
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Apr 4, 2025 02:59
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feedmyleg posted:Maybe (I owe it a rewatch). But it's on the same level of originality as Romulus. The predator was pretty original and unique to the franchise. So much so that it was really bad:
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Apr 4, 2025 03:03
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feedmyleg posted:Maybe (I owe it a rewatch). But it's on the same level of originality as Romulus. Other than some very minor repetition, like the planet is tropical, some of the characters have similar jobs, etc, Predators is pretty different than previous movies in the series. It isn't amazing but it's very solid. Haven't seen Romulus yet, which my tired dumb brain interpreted as Covenant Blood Boils fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Apr 4, 2025 |
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Apr 4, 2025 03:15
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Blood Boils posted:Other than some very minor repetition, like the planet is tropical, some of the characters have similar jobs, etc, Predators is pretty different than previous movies in the series. You should watch Romulus, it’s cool. I’ll be rewatching it later this month for Alien Day.
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Apr 4, 2025 06:56
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feedmyleg posted:How is Predator the only franchise that has managed to eacaped the formulaic rehash nightmare? Er...the entire Predator series is extremely formularic and re-hashy. Like, almost to a James Bond level. Every last one of them is "like Predator except this time there's {blank} That doesn't have to a bad thing, mind. The best regarded of the sequels, Prey, is arguably the most rehashy, while the worst regarded, The Predator, is arguably the least (though I think that movie makes more sense when you realize it's trying to be"Predator for kids"). Predator itself is mostly "Rambo Vs. Alien" molded on top of a skeleton of a slasher movie. I think what you might be getting at is the series has never returned to certain iconographia from the first film (namely Arnold Schwarzenegger or someone of his type, and the South/Central American jungle setting), which is notable, though I suspect there's at least as much timidity behind that as there is integrity - like, it's good that they recognize that they most likely can't just recreate that specific magic, but I don't doubt that they wouldn't go right for it if they had any inkling they could.
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Apr 4, 2025 08:28
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feedmyleg posted:Maybe (I owe it a rewatch). But it's on the same level of originality as Romulus. Eh, not really. The Yakuza set piece is basically the bridge standoff from Predator and the pacing is similar, but the beats really make it quite different. Also just watched it. The movie is more about Brody super loner dude realizing that he needs to team with the others as opposed to Arnold's already close group of macho men getting decimated. The most base formula of discovery, hunted, last person standing, hunt in return is followed in all but THE, but they are all handled differently in that way just due to the style of protagonists being switched and the details and motivations changed. There are no two Predator movies as close to Alien/Aliens, for instance.
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Apr 5, 2025 00:09
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Predator 2 just barely eeks out Predator for me. I adore them both on almost equal terms but I do enjoy the insanity of 2 a little more
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Apr 5, 2025 00:23
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CelticPredator posted:Predator 2 just barely eeks out Predator for me. I adore them both on almost equal terms but I do enjoy the insanity of 2 a little more P2 has a very different vibe to it, I love the urban judge dredd future aspect , everything. Wanted to love the predator bc all the BTS stuff told us about a movie and then we didn't get it. Instead a slightly incoherent mess.
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Guys I just watched Romulus. I am pretty sure I hated it. The first third was great (I liked the cast, particularly Andy and Bjorn). The moment Ian Holm showed up the plot just became beats from other movies in the same franchise. It’s just shameless. There’s a line between a playful reference (“game over man”) and just blending bits of the other films. This just walked right over the line - in the classic reeboks, of course. Having the ending be a combo of Alien and Resurrection (even the outfits, god) is just weird and egregious. It is indulgent and just not creative. The director wants us to know he’s a super fan of the franchise, that’s great. Save it for an interview and do something that’s not just “remember this?” I’m disappointed, I was really loving it until this poo poo kicked in.
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Pretty much, yeah. I will say, it held up a lot better on rewatch for me because my expectations were in the right place.
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Apr 6, 2025 14:42
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well why not posted:
Yeah that was my feeling too when it first released and then I rewatched it again and yeah while I definitely think the sets look great, some of the actors are really trying and all, it just left me thinking "this is pretty thin", and I do like the whole ring planet sequence effect scene but getting there felt like a tiny bit of a slog(with a movie that honestly doesn't feel long but feels really short) Like I said, pretty thin. Jim Ross fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Apr 6, 2025 |
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Apr 6, 2025 16:00
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feedmyleg posted:Pretty much, yeah. I had a different experience on rewatch. Firstly, it's much more apparent just how little actually happens in the film. In Alien the Alien only shows up halfway and the film still has time for the characters to go through three (?) different plans to deal with it before they settle on 'blow up the ship and get out', and then that plan goes through multiple iterations and in-between they have to deal with Ash. In Romulus all the characters are trying to do is pick up a vial of black goo because they've been told to and then get out. Yes there are scenes where things happen but their motivation in each scene never really changes from 'I need to get to the door at the end of this corridor' like a nameless 90's fps protagonist (this is ignoring Rain and Andy's story, but that's not really some relationship that has interesting moments in the film. Andy just judges her loads until eventually she feels guilty enough to save him). Secondly, the moment the film really kicks into gear (the parallel sneaking past the facehuggers/birth of the Alien moments) I don't think works on rewatch - I would have preferred things to stay exclusively with the facehugger corridor. David Jonsson's performance remains fantastic. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Apr 6, 2025 |
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Apr 6, 2025 16:27
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I'm not quite able to articulate it, but the feeling I got watching Romulus was the same I got watching Force Awakens and the new star trek movies (but not, comparatively, blade runner 2049). It's like the writer/director cares more about the role of the movie as part of the franchise more than telling a different story in the setting. I expect that from Abrams because he's generally just a cover-band director, but it was a bummer to feel the same thing with Romulus.
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Apr 6, 2025 16:56
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Romulus felt like the pre ride movie to an alien ride. Everything looks right but it all feels a bit off, and when they start just doing a best of from every other Alien movie it just falls off a cliff.
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Apr 6, 2025 17:00
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I’m looking forward too Fede’s follow up. I know he can do a good original film so I’m not worried. I like Romulus a lot but it was for sure a “hey get the franchise back on track bc idiots hate the Ridley Scott movies thanks” But I forever appreciate he didn’t leave those behind and firmly put them pretty front and center. Bring David Back!!!!!!
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Apr 6, 2025 19:29
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Eason the Fifth posted:I'm not quite able to articulate it, but the feeling I got watching Romulus was the same I got watching Force Awakens and the new star trek movies (but not, comparatively, blade runner 2049). It's like the writer/director cares more about the role of the movie as part of the franchise more than telling a different story in the setting. I expect that from Abrams because he's generally just a cover-band director, but it was a bummer to feel the same thing with Romulus. This may be because Denis Villeneuve is a genius who had his own movie he wanted to make, and th others are hacks
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Not sure where I'd toss Romulus into the ranking mix. First 10 minutes pissed me off with all the callbacks. Well not pissed, just a "come on, this is overdone". And the whole mining/canary/uniform stupidity. Then telegraphing over and over who is going to die. Then the CGI/Ash thing. Then the... Regardless, wasn't a bad watch and at the end of the day be thankful for another Alien universe movie.
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it's the New Super Mario Bros. of the series, sort of just twisting what was already there to introduce a new generation to our favorite Gigerman
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All the callbacks really irked me, given how there’s one every few minutes it’s hard to overlook it. Some are kinda subtle, like the shot of Rain scrambling down the ladder mirroring the movement in the derelict, but it is so dense with references you end up just waiting for them. Cover band plays the greatest hits. I couldn’t shake the feeling that the production had a meeting where everyone listed the fan fave parts of each older movie and they included them. Pulse rifle intro, big chap appearance, game over, get away from her, alien/human hybrid gets decompressed, hosed up synth talks poo poo, underwear scene, engineers, and a hosed birth sequence. List goes on - we didn’t get David though! It was a gorgeous visual though, those sets and costumes were perfect. The mining colony was amazing, as were all the lab scenes. The shots of the planetary rings were sick too. Andy was good, too, but did remind me of Father/Mother from Raised By Wolves a little, which is a similarly great performance in a similar role.
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well why not posted:
This is what fede said he was going to do from the start.
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I didn’t know that, I’d presumed he’d make a new movie.
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Should’ve let the Raises By Wolves crew done a David movie!
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well why not posted:I didn’t know that, I’d presumed he’d make a new movie. The last two new movies weren’t received well so he wanted to bring the franchise back a bit to what those fans who hated those movies wanted back. And he snuck in some cool poo poo so it’s a win for me
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yeah i did expect Romulus to ignore or abandon the David of it all but was pleasantly surprised that it cranked the door open for more of his nonsense between that and David Jonsson i'm not as mad about Romulus' lovely Ian Holm and best-of-Alien-movies plot, but it's still probably my least favorite mainline Alien film
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Apr 7, 2025 02:15
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It’s still pretty good but I’m not gonna say it’s as good as Alien, Prometheus or RBW. But not being as good as goated movies isn’t really damning. It just started so strong!!!
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feedmyleg posted:How is Predator the only franchise that has managed to eacaped the formulaic rehash nightmare? Sure, Predators and The Predator are no good, but they're at least trying something. Predators is the most like a rehash of the first, but at least it's trying to be an inversion. I think this is like a faulty premise, because which “formulaic rehashes” are we talking about? Predator is unique, but it’s because there’s basically zero continuity. The aliens are really poorly defined, and each movie has an all-new cast, so there’s nothing to build off of. There’s no overarching narrative - nothing that one of the aliens could do that would be ‘out of character’. It’s basically an anthology series, because the only consistent thing across entries is that the aliens are loving idiot morons. And this works fine for Predator, because it’s so low-stakes and irreverent. While the Predator 1 is ‘iconic’, it’s iconic as a fun, sometimes-cheap-looking Alien ripoff (despite having roughly the same budget as Alien and Aliens). The movie may be quite good, but it also doesn’t have quite the dignified reputation that you can sully with a weak entry. What little class the franchise did have got launched right out the airlock when the first sequel was a pre-Blade 1990s comicbook movie. Certified schlock trash, whether you’re into that or not. There was nowhere to go but… sideways? You can see the difference in Alien, because Alien Romulus is basically a Predator sequel in form - like a feature-length version of those fan-made short films from a few years back where there’s some dudes in a place and then a Alien shows up. And it’s egregious in that context because each prior film was in a conversation with the other. Even Alien Resurrection’s superhero clone of Ripley kind-of grappled with being a clone of Ripley. Romulus’ attempts at the same psychological horror stuff are perfunctory, and come across as forced/obligatory. Nobody cares about Bjorn's personal issues, just as nobody really cares that strongly about Mac or Dillon. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Apr 7, 2025 |
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Apr 7, 2025 06:38
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well why not posted:All the callbacks really irked me, given how there’s one every few minutes it’s hard to overlook it. The one that got me was the neon "Bar" sign being the same as it was on Hadley's Hope in Aliens.
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The dialogue references were where it became too much for me but all the visual ones were fine. I mean a bit of the movie is on one of these pre-fab colonies, stuff like that having a lot of similar stuff about it makes sense in the universe. Hell even having an Ash-esque android is fine but with that much screen time it should have just been the actor instead of an actor they put CG over of course.
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Neo Rasa posted:The dialogue references were where it became too much for me but all the visual ones were fine. I mean a bit of the movie is on one of these pre-fab colonies, stuff like that having a lot of similar stuff about it makes sense in the universe. Hell even having an Ash-esque android is fine but with that much screen time it should have just been the actor instead of an actor they put CG over of course. It was actually a prop puppet that they touched up with CGI. https://youtu.be/5EdMzcm3UY4?si=x_yFmgqCBn54u1c9
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One of the worst animatronics I’ve seen in a minute honestly. Great movement on the body but the face is so bad, and frustrating because they clearly intended on using lovely cgi/ai for it. Would’ve been cooler and less ghoulish if it was a puppet honestly
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CelticPredator posted:One of the worst animatronics I’ve seen in a minute honestly. Great movement on the body but the face is so bad, and frustrating because they clearly intended on using lovely cgi/ai for it. Would’ve been cooler and less ghoulish if it was a puppet honestly I was ultimately fine with the CGI but doing essentially what they did with Bishop in Alien3 would have been a lot creepier and more effective (and another callback!).
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Having it be another Bishop would A) have made the Rook name make sense as another chess theme name, and B) you could have just got the still living actor back to do the VA instead of a digital Ian Holm humunculus
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Asterite34 posted:Having it be another Bishop would A) have made the Rook name make sense as another chess theme name, and B) you could have just got the still living actor back to do the VA instead of a digital Ian Holm humunculus Wouldn’t have worked, Bishop is visibly based on the likeness of a specific person at a specific age (Michael Bishop, roughly age 45), and Romulus is set when Michael Bishop would have been, like, 8 years old.
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Apr 7, 2025 19:40
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I just watched "life" because it was streaming on Prime and eh I was on the couch. I appreciated that even though it was a paint by numbers "what if Alien but on the ISS?" it swung for the hosed up ending.
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‘Life’ is awesome, I rewatched it last October for Spooky Movie Month.
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Xenomrph posted:Wouldn’t have worked, Bishop is visibly based on the likeness of a specific person at a specific age (Michael Bishop, roughly age 45), and Romulus is set when Michael Bishop would have been, like, 8 years old. There is no Michael bishop only Peter Weyland from Prometheus
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CelticPredator posted:There is no Michael bishop only Peter Weyland from Prometheus You’re thinking of Charles Bishop Weyland from AvP; Michael Bishop is Lance Henriksen’s human character in ‘Alien3’, designer of the Bishop android.
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