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S2E19 S.O.S. Rose and Bernard continue to be adorable, even though they go through a few rough moments in this episode. (In general, a few men in in this episode treat a few women kind of poorly, unfortunately.) The flashbacks are a whirlwind of the couple's backstory, starting with Bernard mansplaining snow to Rose, continuing to Bernard proposing to her while overlooking Niagara Falls, coupled with the reveal that Rose is dying of cancer, continuing with Bernard marrying her anyway, then paying a faith healer $10k to take the cancer away, and finally ending with Rose telling the faith healer to keep the money and lie to Bernard. Rose does this in the hopes that Bernard will snap out of Fix It mode and simply enjoy the time they have together. This ties into the present as Bernard, baffled by the Losties seemingly being fine with chilling on the beach forever, proposes building a giant SOS sign in the sand. He then proceeds to be a big jerk to everybody and everybody promptly quits on him. Elsewhere, we get little slice-of-life scenes like Jack telling "Henry" he's going to go back to the border to propose trading him for Walt. Locke is trying to redraw the map on the blast doors from memory and almost forgets to press the Button, his faith having been torched by Henry's claim that he never pushed it. Eko and Charlie are still working on their construction project, which turns out to be a church, further irritating Bernard. He's trying to save everybody, after all, which lets Eko drop a great line that there's more than one way to be saved. The whole episode is slow and contemplative, in a good way. We don't get any Weird Island Stuff until Rose hears how long Locke is supposed to take to heal and replies, "You and I both know it's not going to take that long." She saw him in his wheelchair, back in Sydney! She knows a miracle happened to him! She felt a similar miracle in herself after the crash! This is neat and I like it! (Side note: Apparently L. Scott Caldwell said Rose willed the cancer away herself and the Island didn't do it. I think this is kind of weak, but her IRL husband died of IRL cancer around this time, so I'll give her a pass.) Bernard, as soon as he hears that the Island may have healed Rose, immediately pledges to stay with her forever so she never has to leave. This is cute! I'm glad he came through in the end, because he spent much of the rest of the episode being a dink. Around this time, we get a lovely musical moment as a song starts off as part of the score as we see a montage of people hanging out on the beach, then transitions to being diegetic as it plays on the record player in the Hatch, then shifts again to an orchestral arrangement as we end up back on Rose and Bernard. The episode needs a stinger, though, so we get Kate telling Jack, "I'm sorry I kissed you." and Jack replying, "I'm not." That's a big swing, Jack, but it looks like it almost works, until somebody stumbles out of the Jungle and collapses. It's Michael!  Anyway, yeah, super cute episode. It's still nice when we get a little time to live with the characters and see what they're up to (even when a few of them have no lines like Sun or are completely missing like Sayid). I sure hope the next episode has lots of nice character moments too!  Edit: Oh, one think I wish they wouldn't've done is shown Henry smirking as Locke is freaking out over whether he actually pushed the Button or not. The scene would have been plenty fine if it had just stayed on Locke the whole time!
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S2E20 Two for the Road I'm gonna immediately start off with a complaint: Whyyy is this first flashback here? We just had the "Previously On..." remind us about Ana Lucia killing that douchebag. Do we need an additional scene of her quitting? I guess maybe it's supposed to bookend with Ana Lucia's phone call from the Sydney Airport at the end? But that scene's not much, because the characters aren't even talking to each other! (They shot it as Ana Lucia leaving an answering machine message!) Anyway, John Terry dials Christian Shephard up to cartoon drunk levels. He kind of has to, though, because this is supposed to be the In the Hatch, Ana Lucia gets suckered in by the most obvious mumble tactic anybody has ever done and Henry tries to strangle her. Locke bonks him with a crutch and Ana Lucia comes away from the experience with a cut on her head and absolutely no bruises on her neck, which is how strangling works. She's now resolved to kill Henry, so she needs a gun, so she "asks" Sawyer, who says no, so she fucks him and steals his gun. Elsewhere, Hurley admires Sayid's hole and asks for advice on how to woo Libby with a picnic. He and Libby walk around in the jungle for a while, end up back where they started, and stumble upon Jin, who gives Hurley an excellent  Libby reasonably says they should picnic right there and volunteers to walk a few miles to the Hatch to get blankets, because nobody on the beach had any, for some reason.Back in the Hatch, Kate and Jack have returned from trying to talk to the Others, having carried an unconscious Michael the whole day's worth of hiking back. Michael wisely stays asleep until he's needed for exposition purposes. I'll fast-forward here: he says the Others are total wusses and have only two guns and no food, Jack, Kate, and Locke go try to bully Sawyer out of his guns, Ana Lucia decides she can't shoot Henry, and Michael volunteers to do it instead. But he shoots Ana Lucia instead. And then also shoots Libby because she startled him. And then also shoots himself, for reasons that'll become clear later. For now, it's a bunch of story threads coming to a head all at once and for that, the episode is overall good. They really just needed to ditch the useless flashbacks, or tighten them up, or something. I did appreciate that the music cuts out as soon as the gun goes off and stays gone for the rest of the scene. It's effective and adds to the shock!Anyway, yeah, the producers claimed the deaths weren't because of the DUI convictions, saying they were planned out far in advance. But then that exposé (not that Exposé) came out and said the mugshots were hanging in the writers' room. So who knows what happened? I still think the most darkly amusing interpretation was that they killed Ana Lucia for story reasons, then assumed the audience would be cheering that too much, so killed Libby too. Next time: fallout from everything that just happened! Whee!
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S2E21  I like this episode. We get Weird Island Stuff manifesting through dreams, the return of the huckster psychic, Locke and Eko having their faith tested and reacting opposite ways, actors suddenly showing some chops during a death scene, and another wacky orientation video! I don't really want to think about the orientation video saying the Button is just nonsense, because I feel like that doesn't make much sense, based on what the Button does in a few episodes when it doesn't get pushed. This also makes Henry's claim that he didn't push it, as shown in the Previously On, seem weird. Maybe this all resolves later and makes sense, but for now, it's a little confusion. At the time this episode aired, we didn't know all this yet, of course. Anyway, the Yemi dreams are neat, especially the touch of "Eko" limping because it's actually Locke having the dream. The flashback doesn't make a ton of sense until the very end, when Charlotte tells Eko that Yemi is proud of him. It's nice to see the psychic admit he's a fraud, because it makes the episode where he freaks out about Claire even more eerie. (Note that I'm ignoring comments from the creators and a deleted scene that suggest he was always a fraud and was being paid to convince Claire to get on the plane, because the actual canon is more fun.) Also fun is Locke calling back to Boone being "a sacrifice the Island demanded" with an air of dismissiveness, then shortly after showing giddiness at finding the Pearl, then snapping right back into despair after watching the orientation video. All of this happens while his leg is clearly healing much faster than it would, out in the real world. And poor Hurley. "I'm sorry I forgot the blankets!" broke my heart. We end the episode on an ominous shot of Michael hanging out with one of the women he murdered and we'll find out why in the next episode. I wonder if he'll yell "WAAAALT" in that one.
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CPColin posted:S2E17 Lock I loved this episode so much back in the day. The amount of discussion the Blast Door map got on these forums was incredible. I loved analyzing everything on it
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S2E22 Three Minutes I yawned my way through this one. To be fair, I'm tired, but still. A lot of the episode is well-trodden ground, even not including the parts we literally previously saw. The stuff we get from Michael's perspective just isn't that interesting. He's going after Walt. He doesn't know much about him. The Others are being real weirdos. Charlie is trying to curry favor with Claire. Eko is being the S2 equivalent of S1 Locke. Charlie overcomes his heroin addiction for the dozenth time. Lots of guns get handed out or placed in various cases. Anyway, we learn that Michael's trying to get exactly four of the Losties to come across the Island with him, in exchange for his and Walt's freedom. Michael plans to do this by bullying everybody until the correct people do or don't come. Sayid understandably sees right through this, then plots with Jack to do the following about it: nothing, for now. There's still good bits of this episode! Basically none of it happens during the flashbacks. By the way, we've had almost two seasons of flashbacks by now in this series; why are these introduced with captions and not the usual WOOMPF noises? Is it because they span several days? Because we could just as easily figure that out from the day/night cycle happening a few times and Michael's line of "you've been asking me questions for a week". Maybe they worried the audience wouldn't pick up on what was happening and chickened out? Oh, right, I was going to mention the good parts of the episode. Eko's story about the child killing his dog and being worried that going to Hell would mean the dog would be there was good. Like I said, Eko has picked up S1 Locke's shtick of swooping in and saying something mystical that just happens to strike right to a person's core. It was good in S1 and it's still good. Hurley telling Michael he's not going on the revenge ride is good. Him later changing his mind is a little outlandish, but is easy to forgive. Sawyer confessing to Jack because Jack's the closest thing he has to a friend is another nice character moment for the two of them, especially Sawyer getting all hung up on the phrase "we got caught in a net". Anyway, there's a boat! And I know who's on it! 
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Hang on, filling my bathtub so I can answer you properly
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S2E23/24 Live Together, Die Alone (both parts) Desmond is back!  And Penny is here! So much happens in this episode and most of it is pretty good! We get backstory on what drove Desmond to the Island and who that (Photoshopped-in) lady in the photograph is. We get to see Cynthia Watros and her terrible wig flex her acting chops. We get to see Kate spend the whole episode looking like she just got out of a rainstorm. We get the culmination of Michael's plan, which goes off as intended, and Jack/Sayid's counter-plan, which amounts to nothing except another dead Other. We get Desmond delivering the spine-tingling line of "I think I crashed your plane." We get Henry Ian Cusick and Sonya Walger vaulting themselves to become my favorite characters in a single scene together. We get to see why that big light shone in Locke's face as Boone lay dying. We get another spine-tingler as Desmond speculates that it's actually the Pearl that was useless and the Button really is real (and we see the pile of unread notebooks to lend credence to that). We get to see Alex cop a feel. We get to hear Eko echo Locke by saying, "Do not tell me what I can't do." We get to see Claire and Charlie share a kiss! We get to hear Desmond's theme! But it's not all good, of course. We get to see the Hurleybird again. We get to see a statue with only four toes that's set up to be a big mystery, but doesn't really amount to anything besides, "yeah, there was a statue there once". We get to see Walt ignore the sound of his dad's voice until he's like two feet away. We get to wonder why Desmond got such joy from seeing Locke through the Hatch, but didn't immediately go out to greet him, having recently learned that the quarantine was bullshit. We again get to wonder why "Henry" tried to get Locke to stop pressing the Button. We get to groan that they've split some characters off from the others again, forcing S3 to spend time figuring out how to get everybody reunited. But the episode is far more good than bad. What a long-rear end season! Season three is one episode shorter, but famously has an episode so bad that the producers successfully negotiated to put an expiration date on the series. But we'll get there later! CPColin fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Mar 31, 2025 |
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CPColin posted:But the episode is far more good than bad. What a long-rear end season! Season three is one episode shorter, but famously has an episode so bad that the producers successfully negotiated to put an expiration date on the series. But we'll get there later! I've always wondered how that actually went down. I dunno if anyone goes out of their way to make a bad episode on purpose. It was an episode that heavily showcased Bai Ling, someone who's not a particularly notable actress but who tended to pop up in big roles anyway e.g. Angel.
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CPColin posted:S2E23/24 Live Together, Die Alone (both parts) The weirdest thing about this finale, and I'm sure I said it back at the time, is how Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley have the dramatic confrontation with Michael after the revelation that he killed Ana-Lucia and Libby, and then they... keep trekking with him. Only to have another dramatic confrontation with him after discovering he was leading them in the wrong direction, at which point the Others actually attack. I feel they could have switched the two confrontations to have given the bigger one more weight. Or restructured things to have Sawyer do something (seriously, he's the most passive, non-character in this episode). Their whole trek is one of the biggest "events happen and characters do things because the plot demands it" instances in the whole series, and causes this finale to rank lower than the others for me.
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You're very right. Skip the scene where they shoot at the Others in the jungle, because it doesn't make sense that they're being followed anyway. Have Sawyer insist when they see the black smoke that they go link up with Sayid and have Kate tease him over it. Make the Others have to improvise and use their magic taser darts because the gang is about to split up and ruin the primary plan. Move the revelation about Michael killing Ana Lucia and Libby so it's actually "Henry" saying "the world will know what you did" that clues the rest of the gang in. Now Hurley has to watch Michael leave and be told to go home, immediately after hearing the truth. Removing the shootout in the jungle also helps with the whole part where Henry doesn't seem to care that another Other is dead. Like, we're supposed to scoff at "We're the good guys, Michael!" but not that confidently.
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SalTheBard posted:I loved this episode so much back in the day. The amount of discussion the Blast Door map got on these forums was incredible. I loved analyzing everything on it This was the first episode I ever watched. Was just hanging at a friend's house, was gonna leave when they turned on Lost but I had been drinking and felt I shouldn't drive... It got me hooked, I'll say that. But obviously I had a lot of stuff already spoiled for me when I went to go :files: all the earlier eps to catch up over the course of a few weeks. Open Source Idiom posted:I've always wondered how that actually went down. I dunno if anyone goes out of their way to make a bad episode on purpose. It was an episode that heavily showcased Bai Ling, someone who's not a particularly notable actress but who tended to pop up in big roles anyway e.g. Angel. Oh is that the episode they meant? I thought that "Exposé" (Nikki and Paulo fun time adventure!) was the one that 'broke the camel's back', so to speak. But as I've already said in this thread, I like Exposé because it's a little FU to fans. "Oh, you want more screentime devoted to some survivors other than the main 6? Ok, here you go! Sucks, right? Alright then, so shut up and watch Jack and Locke argue about science vs faith for the fifteenth time." Just the idea that they had little side adventures and found out some weird, secret poo poo well before anyone else/the audience, but kept it to themselves because they were after precious diamonds, lol. But yeah, "Stranger in a Strange Land" really sucks.
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DrBouvenstein posted:Oh is that the episode they meant? I thought that "Exposé" (Nikki and Paulo fun time adventure!) was the one that 'broke the camel's back', so to speak. I love Expose. It's much better than their original plans for that episode, which would have been actively poo poo and dismissive. (The flashback would have been a fake-out, and with a final act reveal that we'd have been watching a TV show set in the LOST universe the entire time.) But I found a lot of LOST to be weirdly meanspirited and dismissive e.g. the way Hurley would raise random fan theories ("Is the monster a dinosaur?") only to have Sawyer or whoever tell him he's being dumb -- when it turns out that, yeah, it was random genre stuff after all. Or the way the show treated the other survivors at the start of the fifth season. Overall I like the show, but it's not without clear flaws. Part of the reason I skipped out on watching the rest of the second season with you guys, the Michael and Hatch plots are just kind of bad.
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Stranger in a Strange Land definitely wasn't made badly on purpose. They were still trying their best to make a good show, they had just totally run out of road with the concept of "the same people stand around on a beach and have flashbacks to their past over and over again". SinSL was the best they could muster by that point. IIRC Damon and Carlton were making plans behind the scenes to move on and hand the show on to someone else. ABC thought they were negotiating for higher pay, but they really did want to leave because they couldn't spin the narrative wheels any longer without being able to work towards an end point.
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I feel like one of the problems was that majority of the flashbacks focus on a very small, core group. Even by the end of Season 1, I was sick of flashbacks of Jack and Kate. Turns out the wiki has a count of flashes per character.pre:Total Character Flashes Back Forward Sideways Other ------------------------------------------------------- Jack 25 10 6 8 1 Kate 19 10 3 5 1 Locke 18 11 0 7 0 Sun 15 7 3 4 1 Hurley 14 6 3 4 1 Sawyer 14 6 1 7 0 Sayid 13 6 3 4 0 Jin 13 6 0 6 1 Desmond gets 9 Ben gets 7 Charlie, Claire get 6 Michael, Juliet get 5 Eko, Jacob, Miles get 3 Walt, Shannon, Ana Lucia, Daniel, Frank Richard, Ilana, Man in Black get 2 Libby, Rose/Bernard, Nikki/Paulo, Charlotte, Naomi, Chang get 1
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Lobster Henry posted:Stranger in a Strange Land definitely wasn't made badly on purpose. They were still trying their best to make a good show, they had just totally run out of road with the concept of "the same people stand around on a beach and have flashbacks to their past over and over again". SinSL was the best they could muster by that point. IIRC Damon and Carlton were making plans behind the scenes to move on and hand the show on to someone else. ABC thought they were negotiating for higher pay, but they really did want to leave because they couldn't spin the narrative wheels any longer without being able to work towards an end point. Yep. And things like Stranger in a Strange Land and Nikki & Paulo weren't quite as inexplicable as they seem in retrospect. In the first few seasons, with forums like The Fuselage being read by (or reported back to) the production team, and the questions that actors and producers would be asked over and over again in interviews, the show was actually engaging in a dialogue with fans and addressing questions. People were genuinely asking what the deal was with Jack's tattoos. Like, a lot. It's funny that the narrative became "Nikki & Paulo were killed off because of negative fan response", when the opposite is true - they were introduced because fans were constantly asking what the other 30-plus survivors were doing all the time. In fact, one of the main reason why "the socks" existed at all was because of the show's indeterminate end date, and the need to have new characters and new flashbacks and new arcs to keep the story generation engine burning. But then it turned out that you could only really get away with having a new guy step out of the crowd for the first season, and after that it just felt unnatural and forced, and nobody (not even the writers) cared about the new characters. birdlaw fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Apr 4, 2025 |
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Lost could’ve been like Gilligan’s island with random cameos from background characters each week, only for them to fade into the background once again after their episode was over. Did you know the Harlem Globetrotters were on the plane too? Too bad they never got to their story.
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It's season three time! I wanted to give season two a little more time to breathe, so I was waiting to post about the premiere. Then I forgot. So here's two episodes: S3E1 A Tale of Two Cities Hoo boy, Jack is a loving creep. We start with a "Previously on..." that features a bunch of lines from Ana Lucia, but no actual Ana Lucia, because Michelle Rodriguez isn't credited any more. The episode proper opens with a new character, Juliet, who is living in a lovely little village on the Island as Desmond fails to push the Button and the plane crashes! This is a neat flashback! Too bad the rest of the episode will feature flashbacks of Jack stalking Sarah. Like, not even "borderline" stalking. Just straight-up, capital-S, Stalking Sarah. It's gross! He scares the poo poo out of her, attacks his dad, causes his dad to relapse, and goes to jail. I wish they didn't do this plotline! On the Island, we have the same problem as the S2 premiere had: the cast has been broken up into separate locations, so we have to check in on each location one at a time. Consequently, we only get Jack, Kate, and Sawyer in this episode and the rest of the cast takes a break. Jack's story has him acting like an ape in a cage. Sawyer's story has him acting like an ape in a cage. Kate's story has her being objectified. We're almost to the point in Evangeline Lilly's career where she got fed up with this constant bullshit and it can't come soon enough! Anyway, her whole arc in this episode is that she takes a shower, eats breakfast with Jack spends the whole episode yanking his chain and hallucinating, ultimately attacking Juliet and attempting to drown everybody (except Ben, who selfishly hid behind a bulkhead). He is rewarded for all of this by Juliet knocking him the gently caress out with a single punch. Hell yeah, Juliet. The episode on a whole is a ton of setup. It was frustrating to watch as it aired, because we don't get anything from the rest of the cast. The structure is better on the rewatch. I complained ITT about the start of S2 bouncing around way too much and not giving any of its many plots time to breathe, so this is better, in that regard. Jack Bender also directs the everloving poo poo out of the episode, with lots of dynamic camera movement and tight shots of characters so we can appreciate the actors' work. I think my favorite move was when Juliet says, "You can trust me, Jack." The camera loses focus right when she says "trust" and briefly focuses on the scratches in the glass. That's fantastic! Sawyer getting tossed into his cage with the camera strapped to his chest is pretty good too. Hair & Makeup even get in on the act, with Juliet's hair looking believably like it had been soaked and dried while Jack was unconscious. The writing in the scenes between Juliet and Jack is pretty solid too. Jack claiming he's a repo man, only to have Juliet turn it back around on him when he asks if she's a doctor is delightful and suggests that the writers are ready to trust the audience. At least for now. So yeah, good episode, aside from Jack's flashbacks. I know some of these plotlines are going to wear out their welcome pretty quickly as the writers scramble to keep all the mystery plates spinning, but for now, we've got a solid start to season 3. S3E2 The Glass Ballerina BOOOOOO <-- This is the sound I made basically every time this episode flashed back. At least the "Previously on..." includes a quick shot of Jack bonking into the aquarium glass again. You never want to make an episode where the characters you decide to focus on wind up being the worst part of it, but basically everything having to do with Sun and Jin in this episode is crap. Child Sun breaks a ballerina and blames the maid so the episode can have a title and open with a neat shot. This doesn't really matter. Adult Sun makes a liar of herself from "The Whole Truth" and really has just been boning down with Koren Jeff Bezos. Flashback Jin is feeling morally conflicted about the work Mr. Paik is having him do. Again. Island Jin is being overprotective and controlling. Again. Island Sun is lying to Island Jin. Again. This is all pretty boring and obnoxious. Anyway, Koren Jeff Bezos tries to give Sun the kind of pearl necklace that can be shown on ABC, is spared by Jin, and jumps (or is pushed) off the balcony while holding the necklace.  Sun and Jin's storyline with Sayid is pretty boring, too. Sayid has an idiotic plan to lure the Others to the beach, take two of them hostage, and kill the rest. I mean, I guess he doesn't know they're not actually weird jungle hippies, but still, that's a lot for one rifleman to pull off! They're all arguing a bunch and Sun shoots yet another Other. Then she falls off the boat, but fortunately links back up with Jin. This is all pretty dumb and reeks of the writers getting a little stressed with trying to get them back to the main camp. Kate and Sawyer meanwhile have to break rocks and move rocks, respectively, under threat of tazing. Sawyer only has to move them about six feet, though, so it's fine. Kate has to break rocks in that fancy dress, though, because the producers were going all-in on gazing male-ishly. One of the Others makes a crack that Kate could ditch the dress if she wanted, which makes Sawyer smirk, but after seeing Kate's angry look, he wisely switches to a "How dare you!" This is actually funny and made me laugh out loud. Sawyer's being very canny, figuring out how the various Others relate to each other and what they're capable of. His biggest gambit is when he lays a big smooch on Kate so he can start a fight. Juliet, who is there, for some reason, stops the fight by holding Kate at gunpoint, making Sawyer immediately read her as serious and drop his gun. Kate is disappointed at the debriefing back in the cages, because it sounds like that was Sawyer's only goal with kissing her, but then he says, "You taste like strawberries." and it's actually really cute! He also calls her Shortcake after this, which is even cuter. The end of the episode features a great callback to Jack and Christian's penchant for saying "And that's why the Sox will never win the Series!" by shelling out what must have been a shitload to FOX so Ben can show Jack the actual loving footage of the Red Sox winning the Series. This, along with a promise of going home, rattles Jack so badly that he finally becomes willing to listen. This one falls especially flat, coming after the previous episode. I read on the wiki that they swapped this one with the next one, without explanation. That's a pretty weird thing to do on an ostensibly serialized show! I guess that means the episodes don't have anything to do with each other. 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CPColin posted:S3E2 The Glass Ballerina I figure this episode suffers as a consequence of the show never really figuring out what to do with Sun beyond playing the hits. They're trying to go with this idea that Sun's an inveterate liar, with the one-two punch of the Others underestimating her morality (up to her and including her ability to kill without remorse) and the possibility that she was involved in the death of her lover. But nothing ever comes of that, and the rest of the show suggests she's, at worse, a bit of a badass. But yeah, the flashbacks with the ballerina and all the rest are to suggest that she's actually something of a canny operator, up to and including her ability to fool the Others and their network of spies.
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Open Source Idiom posted:I figure this episode suffers as a consequence of the show never really figuring out what to do with Sun beyond playing the hits. They're trying to go with this idea that Sun's an inveterate liar, with the one-two punch of the Others underestimating her morality (up to her and including her ability to kill without remorse) and the possibility that she was involved in the death of her lover. But nothing ever comes of that, and the rest of the show suggests she's, at worse, a bit of a badass. They were actually running with this thread well through the flashforwards and off-island plot, up until the exact moment the characters entered the Lamppost. Meeting with Widmore, loving with her Dad's company, threatening Ben at gunpoint, it all made sense. Once the Ajira 316 plot came into play though, Sun was reduced to a tagalong for the rest of the series, with one singular cool moment of knocking Ben out with the oar on Hydra Island.
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I feel like a conveniently coinciding plotline from Lost because I recently started to rewatch the show and now I found this thread and I'm literally at S03E02 right now
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birdlaw posted:They were actually running with this thread well through the flashforwards and off-island plot, up until the exact moment the characters entered the Lamppost. Meeting with Widmore, loving with her Dad's company, threatening Ben at gunpoint, it all made sense. Once the Ajira 316 plot came into play though, Sun was reduced to a tagalong for the rest of the series, with one singular cool moment of knocking Ben out with the oar on Hydra Island. Yeah, she's kind of a badass in her off island negations when she's grieving over Jin, but yeah, look, you're not wrong. Pretty much everything with her character from the point you identify onwards is weaksauce, and it's hard not to complain about it to a tiresome degree every time it comes up.
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As a Red Sox fan, I loved that scene so much. Because, yes, anyone who knew even the slightest about baseball knew about The Curse and would say the same thing Jack did, that Ben should probably have picked any other team. And that of the items Ben mentioned, he knew the only thing Jack would question was the World Series so he had the game winning play loaded up in the VCR, a button's press away.
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DrBouvenstein posted:As a Red Sox fan, I loved that scene so much. Because, yes, anyone who knew even the slightest about baseball knew about The Curse and would say the same thing Jack did, that Ben should probably have picked any other team. I love Ben's effortless description of the game when Jack expresses his disbelief. The whole thing is meant to demonstrate Ben's impeccable preparation skills, but I like to think it just means that Ben was a Red Sox fan who happened to have already taped the game.
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S3E3 Further Instructions Okay, I think I can see why they flipped this episode with the previous one. A lot more happens in The Glass Ballerina, whereas this one just kind of plods along. Maybe this episode would have done better if it had been interleaved in with the season premiere? Our flashback today is more well-trodden ground: Locke is trying to find a replacement family and mucks everything up by being too gullible. This ground is so well trodden that I always get this episode confused with that one episode of Veronica Mars that aired two years prior. Locke picks up On the Island, Locke can't speak, but recalls his skills at making psychedelic poultices and his newly invented skills at building sweat lodges so he can ask the Island what to do. Boone shows up! There's a wacky trippy sequence where it's revealed that Locke needs to go save Eko from wherever he landed. So he does. With Charlie's "help". He also finds Hurley along the way and almost kills him. Hurley also finds Desmond, who was wandering around naked, and walks with him back to the beach. At the beach, we find Nikki and Paolo, the former who delivers the lines, "Jack's gone? I don't understand! Okay, when were you planning on telling us this, Hurley?" with all the smoothness of a shark. None of this is terribly interesting, but we do get a few neat bits: Charlie gets to turn the tables on Locke for a bit. He also gets a pretty funny line when Locke brings out the can of hairspray and he says, "Now, I hate to be the one to point this out to you, but..." We get a nice, subtle touch of worldbuilding as Locke opens a tin containing the oily rag he uses to make the torch he takes into the bear's cave, helping explain where all the loving torches were always coming from (nevermind where all the oily rags were coming from). Boone showing up is pretty fun, I'll admit, even though Locke's acid trip is just kind of there. But the best thing this episode introduces is one of my absolute favorite parts of the entire series: It seems that Desmond knows a little about what's going to happen. I'm sure I will gush a lot more about this when it gets more focus and it's delightful that this episode slips it in and lets it dangle on a question mark for a bit. So yeah, not an especially great episode, sitting on its own. They should have opened the season on a double-length episode that folded this one in, preferably dropping the flashback, I think. (Oh, unrelated to anything else, but when Hurley and Desmond are walking through the jungle, Henry Ian Cusick totally has soles on his bare feet.)
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CPColin posted:But the best thing this episode introduces is one of my absolute favorite parts of the entire series: It seems that Desmond knows a little about what's going to happen. I'm sure I will gush a lot more about this when it gets more focus and it's delightful that this episode slips it in and lets it dangle on a question mark for a bit. Yeah it's great, and then they go super cheesy with it in the next episode where it becomes obvious and the editing is hilariously on the nose.
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