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 the star wars prequels. were they good? were they bad? does having an opinion on this make you inherently the cause of the downfall of society? if anyone could just order up a clone army, why didn't the confederacy do something to prevent that from happening? is there deep thematic meaning stored in padme amidala's luggage? let's unpack this, now that the lord of the flies stench has cleared this salted, barren battlefield. i think they're pretty bad movies, especially the second one but definitely including the third. how do you feel about them?
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Aug 22, 2024 23:03
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I think they’re okay. Not great, but not terrible.
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Aug 22, 2024 23:13
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If they'd had someone directing the actors they would have been a lot better.
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Aug 23, 2024 00:43
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they mid
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Aug 23, 2024 03:10
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They were pretty bad but when they came out it didn't seem like we were going to get any more star wars movies before that, so I guess the fact that they happened might have helped pave the way for some of the better shows that came out later, so I guess it's an overall win that they happened in the long run.
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Aug 23, 2024 03:47
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Aug 23, 2024 07:24
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(acolyte is a prequel)
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Aug 23, 2024 07:24
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Star Wars got worse since then.
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Aug 23, 2024 12:48
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Somehow, the prequels returned
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Aug 23, 2024 15:43
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The fact that someone who's never Star Warsed can just....skip Ep1 entirely and not miss anything says a lot about them. They are in fact bad movies. The ST didn't make the PT any better, it just lowered the bottom end by a zip code.
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Aug 23, 2024 16:10
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CainFortea posted:The fact that someone who's never Star Warsed can just....skip Ep1 entirely and not miss anything says a lot about them. They are in fact bad movies. i have sworn off serious posting about how the prequels are bad but most of the movies stand alone just fine. i don't see why they must be interlinked to be good, and the movies that require the most series-watching to appreciate - ROTJ, AOTC, ROS* - are the worst of their respective trilogies * - i am positing that there must be, somewhere, someone who enjoyed rise of skywalker, for the sake of this statement
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Aug 23, 2024 16:45
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Cease to Hope posted:i have sworn off serious posting about how the prequels are bad but most of the movies stand alone just fine. i don't see why they must be interlinked to be good, and the movies that require the most series-watching to appreciate - ROTJ, AOTC, ROS* - are the worst of their respective trilogies They don't have to be interlinked to be good. But they interlinked them anyway, it's literally called Episode 1. They chose to specifically have it be, not even a different story, just the first step in that story.
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Aug 23, 2024 16:48
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Cease to Hope posted:* - i am positing that there must be, somewhere, someone who enjoyed rise of skywalker, for the sake of this statement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1uTsqJVAeo
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Aug 23, 2024 18:51
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this reminds me, i need to rewatch the original trilogy again at some point
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Aug 23, 2024 20:47
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CainFortea posted:They don't have to be interlinked to be good. eh, a venal sin at best. like pointing out an axe murderer's polite white lies.
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Aug 23, 2024 21:12
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Cease to Hope posted:eh, a venal sin at best. like pointing out an axe murderer's polite white lies. Their interlinked-eness isn't a sin. Your post was the one framing it like that. "I don't see why they must be interlinked to be good" I'm saying that Lucas is the one who decided they had to be interlinked. And his doing so and then making a movie that basically has no impact on the overall story was a failure. Edit: Also the amount of linking the movies in any given property should or can be also depends a lot on the overall story. Rogue One is a pretty good movie. It's connection to the Skywalker Saga has very little to do with that, however they did a good job making it part of the star wars universe. This is going to be a different scale than an actual Episode # movie because, and this is important, all those movies are one story. Just taking multiple movies to tell.
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Aug 23, 2024 21:20
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CainFortea posted:I'm saying that Lucas is the one who decided they had to be interlinked. And his doing so and then making a movie that basically has no impact on the overall story was a failure. i am describing that failure as negligible in the face of everything else. "this car kinda smells funny. also it's on fire." also rogue one and solo and the clone wars movie are not exempt from "the prequels are bad". i have no strong opinion about the various tv shows and such though Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Aug 23, 2024 |
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Aug 23, 2024 21:45
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Rogue One was pretty good
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Aug 23, 2024 21:57
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Cease to Hope posted:i am describing that failure as negligible in the face of everything else. "this car kinda smells funny. also it's on fire." No, if an entire movie in a series is skipable that's a pretty significant mark in the bad column. RBA Starblade posted:Rogue One was pretty good Yes it was!
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Aug 23, 2024 22:06
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rogue one was pretty mid
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Aug 24, 2024 00:17
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hey more like MIDichlorians, amirite?!
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Aug 24, 2024 00:17
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i think rogue one is a mess in several ways. the first two acts are a narrative mess. i'm not sure if it's the troubled production or an attempt at aesthetic chaos but it's hard to know or care what is happening to who and why. in particular, jyn's life with whatever forest whittaker's character's name was, that feels like it's a lot more important than the scenes dealing with the macguffin! but it's all but yadda yaddaed. just straight to diego luna's character, who is not even clearly introduced, chasing after bodhi rook. then jump back to jyn, now in the present, struggling with mon mothma over a mission to help her father defect but no actually kill him. jedha is no less confusingly messy. forest whittaker's character has bodhi's plans and is attacking the imperials and lines of conflict and who is capturing who and when are all very unclear. there are flashes of brilliance: the ambush in the city square, for example. but it's all such a jumble. this part makes me wonder if it's intentionally, aesthetically chaotic but that doesn't explain why the first act was so much of a rush through checking all of the plot boxes without being particularly entertaining or establishing these characters in more than thin cliche. speaking of, i don't really have a problem with the characters being thin cliches. this is star wars and you can't get around that. but the supporting cast know much better than the leads how to sell this goofiness. mass mikkelsen and riz ahmed are journeymen who know what they're doing here. forest whitaker (sadly wasted) can make any character feel like they should be "[name], the Great and Terrible." i cannot be impartial about donnie yen. but felicity jones and diego luna just seem like they're hitting the wrong mark in almost every scene. "we're rebels, we rebel" is framed as a statement of intent but i don't like it, comes of rogue and coarse and irritating and, uh, gets everywhere? lost my train of thought for some reason. in any event, the first two acts are such a rush that there never is any good opportunity to differentiate what is supposed to be exciting and chaotic. you do need some sort of contrast, it can't just be one note over and over. even bad star wars movies can usually at least crutch on the soundtrack to tell you what you're supposed to be feeling but here it all just sounds like this. the horrible CG homonculus recreations of the star wars cast, including deceased actors, just feels like another ghoulish, distracting miss. and the weird fake OT cast is a reminder that there's no tension in the last act. like, again, this is obviously not ending with the heroes failing on a melancholy note - they don't end star wars movies like that, don't be silly - but we know all of these people die and succeed in their mission so the tension fizzles. again it's just a checklist of each of them sacrificing themselves heroically, each in a less exciting way than the previous. anyway, rogue one sucks. i'm given to understand andor kicks rear end though so don't take my prequel hate beyond the prequel movies. oh wait i guess andor is diego luna's character's name, though. i though it was something really on the nose like assassin for some reason. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Dec 7, 2024 |
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Aug 24, 2024 00:55
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The last 30-40 minutes once they get to Scarif are amazing and redeem everything else about Rogue One, and eventually got us the show Andor, which is also amazing.
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Aug 24, 2024 01:05
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The prequels are good
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Aug 24, 2024 01:16
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I sensed a presence. One I had not felt since....
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Aug 24, 2024 04:50
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The prequels are good because they are the most pure form of George's vision of starwars being 50s schlock without the OT actors and editors and Spielberg or whoever telling him this poo poo makes no sense what the gently caress is this dialog. It's star wars in its natural habitat
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Aug 24, 2024 20:59
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banned from Starbucks posted:The prequels are good because they are the most pure form of George's vision of starwars being 50s schlock without the OT actors and editors and Spielberg or whoever telling him this poo poo makes no sense what the gently caress is this dialog. It's star wars in its natural habitat Cassava in it's natural form contains cyanide. You gotta process that poo poo or else it's toxic.
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Aug 25, 2024 14:13
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fartknocker posted:The last 30-40 minutes once they get to Scarif are amazing and redeem everything else about Rogue One, and eventually got us the show Andor, which is also amazing. undercut by the general lack of suspense and the lack of investment in most of these characters. there's a moment in the movie that is genius, and i bet a big inspiration for andor: the beginning of the city square ambush, where it becomes clear what is happening a second before it happens. that frisson of suspense is the movie's best moment, but it never finds it again because this is a Star Wars Prequel and we're in for heavy-handed reminders how it's going down. no tension, weird uneven tragedy. all that said, i do want to emphasize that my opinion isn't as extreme as i put on WRT R1: it's just an ordinary muddled bad movie. a two-star movie that could stretch a half either way. when it's bad, it's noisy prequel mumble, but not all of it is that bad. i am given to understand Andor is good but i haven't seen it and i don't generally find that Glup Shitto stories heighten my appreciation for the original work Shitto appears in. that goes even if i do enjoy Tales From Jabba's Chamberpot's take on Glup Shitto on its own merits. that's just personal tastes. banned from Starbucks posted:The prequels are good because they are the most pure form of George's vision of starwars being 50s schlock without the OT actors and editors and Spielberg or whoever telling him this poo poo makes no sense what the gently caress is this dialog. It's star wars in its natural habitat i find this to be an extremely sympathetic argument to defend the prequels but also simultaneously a perfect summary of my opinion why they are unwatchable gibberish
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Aug 25, 2024 17:14
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also it very clearly explains why solo is so boring: it's the kind of thing you get if you set out to make a star wars movie the same way lucas set out to make a 50s action serial with the prequels. just a derivative muddle
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Aug 25, 2024 17:16
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Cease to Hope posted:i am given to understand Andor is good but i haven't seen it and i don't generally find that Glup Shitto stories heighten my appreciation for the original work Shitto appears in. that goes even if i do enjoy Tales From Jabba's Chamberpot's take on Glup Shitto on its own merits. that's just personal tastes. You are doing yourself a massive disservice, as despite the name, there is a ton more going on than just the backstory of the titular character. It is arguably the best Star Wars work since The Empire Strikes Back, and is a flat out fantastic show, Star Wars or not.
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Aug 25, 2024 17:19
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yeah there's a lot of scenes where andor's not around and those are the best scenes imo
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Aug 25, 2024 20:10
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Andor rhymes with Endor
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Aug 25, 2024 21:51
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tgat is a fact i believe has photoshop potential
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Aug 25, 2024 21:51
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Andor the show takes the entire concept of the Glup Shitto concept and turns it on it's head.
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fartknocker posted:You are doing yourself a massive disservice it's just on D+ and i don't have or want that and have not gotten around to piracy out of a general lack of desire lately to watch TV. everything i have heard about it is the most glowing praise the prequel curse does not seem to apply to TV CainFortea posted:Andor the show takes the entire concept of the Glup Shitto concept and turns it on it's head. i have enjoyed a Tales From Jabba's Chamberpot, do not get me wrong Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Aug 26, 2024 |
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Aug 26, 2024 15:18
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the prequels are not good movies but at least they are about something, ie; how can a supposedly enlightened republic fall to fascism even though it's guarded by magic space knights who can cast Detect Evil. does it execute this well? no not really, but Lucas had something to say, and tried to say it. the worst Star Wars movies are the ones that aren't about anything apart from "hey do you remember Star Wars"
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Aug 27, 2024 09:20
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:the prequels are not good movies thread shows promise
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Aug 27, 2024 09:30
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josh04 posted:thread shows promise the Prequels are to the Sequels as Star Trek: Discovery is to Star Trek: Picard
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Aug 27, 2024 10:05
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:the prequels are not good movies but at least they are about something, ie; how can a supposedly enlightened republic fall to fascism even though it's guarded by magic space knights who can cast Detect Evil. does it execute this well? no not really, but Lucas had something to say, and tried to say it. Unfortunately the answer to that question is just "the Republic always sucked"
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All the prequels are, to me, absolutely horrid. The Phantom Menace is fine and I'll rewatch it occasionally if the situation calls for it. Revenge is awful and AoTCs is the worst movie in the entire franchise, including the weird Ewok movies. They are undeniably unfiltered George Lucas. It just turns out that I don't care for unfiltered George Lucas.
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