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LBTlover88QTGo5 posted:All the prequels are, to me, absolutely horrid. The Phantom Menace is fine and I'll rewatch it occasionally if the situation calls for it. Revenge is awful and AoTCs is the worst movie in the entire franchise, including the weird Ewok movies. They are undeniably unfiltered George Lucas. It just turns out that I don't care for unfiltered George Lucas. sounds like maybe you just don't like star wars
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Defiance Industries posted:Unfortunately the answer to that question is just "the Republic always sucked" that's interesting too though, in a "surprise, there was no Golden Age" kind of way. there's a reason why there's a lot of better media came out of the Prequels, because they're dogshit movies sitting on fairly complex foundations.
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josh04 posted:sounds like maybe you just don't like star wars No, I love Star Wars. But I also grew up where most Star Wars media was the books and I knew those were poo poo, so I got used to focusing on the good parts of Star Wars and excluding the bad parts of Star Wars.
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Always enjoy the idea that you must accept and love all of a thing uncritically or else you don't like the entire thing.
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there's no 'must', you can't fail star wars through likes or dislikes. just if you go around saying "I don't care for the work of Arthur Conan Doyle" people may reasonably wonder if you really like Sherlock Holmes. or to put it another way, the pulpy 90s EU novels probably have more in common with other series of pulpy 90s scifi novels than they do with the material they're based on.
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Your analogy is backwards though. If, in a discussion area about the works of Arthur Conan Doyle someone says "I just didn't like The Valley of Fear and Sir Nigel", it's very unreasonable to say "It just sounds like you don't like Arthur Conan Doyle" Edit: basically if someone is singling out specific works in a larger body of work as things they dislike that's a pretty clear indication that they like other parts of the larger body of work aside from the parts listed.
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Arthur Conan Doyle was able deeply ambivalent about Sherlock Holmes as a character and, especially in later works, was doing a combo of phoning-it-in and showing active contempt towards his audience. Since Sherlock Holmes was designed to be a commercial product, one could argue that those works are a truer expression of Arthur Conan Doyle's vision of Sherlock Holmes. It's not a bad thing to say, "I loved Sherlock Holmes until ACD clearly got sick of him and wanted to stop writing him." You could also say, "I love Sherlock Holmes but I don't care for 'The Land of Mist', 'The Coming of Fairies' and 'The Lost World'" or, as CainFortea pointed out, cherry picking some specific works within the larger oeuvre.
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Aug 29, 2024 16:23
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I've always said, Rogue One is very lucky it has a banger ending. I love how it picks off the cast one by one.
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Aug 30, 2024 05:32
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my favorite star wars prequel is trainspotting
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Cease to Hope posted:my favorite star wars prequel is trainspotting That's a sequel, since Star wars is a long time ago.
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it clearly happens before the events of phantom menace, though
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I've always said, Rogue One is very lucky it has a banger ending. I love how it picks off the cast one by one. I don't like the tie-in to ANH at the very end. I wonder if that got ordered in to make the ending less of a downer.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I don't like the tie-in to ANH at the very end. I wonder if that got ordered in to make the ending less of a downer. That, and probably to make it crystal clear that Rogue One occurs immediately before the opening of A New Hope without any other shenanigans in between. How the Death Star plans were stolen in the old EU was maybe the most infamous example of how much a mess it was trying to tie together a slew of different (Seemingly contradictory) accounts from assorted sources (Stuff mentioned in books, comics, games, and whatnot) that had the plans seemingly split and going to different places before all eventually ending back together on the Tantive IV running from Devastator.
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Cease to Hope posted:it clearly happens before the events of phantom menace, though elaborate
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fartknocker posted:That, and probably to make it crystal clear that Rogue One occurs immediately before the opening of A New Hope without any other shenanigans in between. How the Death Star plans were stolen in the old EU was maybe the most infamous example of how much a mess it was trying to tie together a slew of different (Seemingly contradictory) accounts from assorted sources (Stuff mentioned in books, comics, games, and whatnot) that had the plans seemingly split and going to different places before all eventually ending back together on the Tantive IV running from Devastator. love the movie but yeah that ending is so loving stupid because it completely negates Leia's protestations of innocence, it'd be like being pulled over by a cop after he saw you escaping guns blazing from a bank heist.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:love the movie but yeah that ending is so loving stupid because it completely negates Leia's protestations of innocence, it'd be like being pulled over by a cop after he saw you escaping guns blazing from a bank heist. I mean, she *has* the plans. We watch her put the plans into R2. Her protestations of innocence were negated by the events that happen on screen in the opening scenes of ANH
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:love the movie but yeah that ending is so loving stupid because it completely negates Leia's protestations of innocence, it'd be like being pulled over by a cop after he saw you escaping guns blazing from a bank heist. I agree that it makes Leia way loving funnier tho
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CainFortea posted:I mean, she *has* the plans. We watch her put the plans into R2. Her protestations of innocence were negated by the events that happen on screen in the opening scenes of ANH come on you know what they meant
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:come on you know what they meant Yes, I do. What do you think they meant though cause I feel like I pretty clearly addressed it?
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:love the movie but yeah that ending is so loving stupid because it completely negates Leia's protestations of innocence, it'd be like being pulled over by a cop after he saw you escaping guns blazing from a bank heist. To be fair if the police (space or otherwise) are asking me "do you know why I pulled you over?" I'm answering "uh no, why officer Darth?" not giving them a list of possibilities to choose from and asking them to cuff me. Ballsy move if you call a regular cop "Officer Darth" though, lol. But... Ghost Leviathan posted:I agree that it makes Leia way loving funnier tho
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CainFortea posted:Yes, I do. What do you think they meant though cause I feel like I pretty clearly addressed it? they meant that it negates the plausibility of her denial. like, in the original, it's arguable that she's setting up for a legal defense - "no we weren't involved, we just happened to be passing by this star system, we know nothing of any such transmissions, the senate's going to take my side on this" - while not knowing that actually the senate's being dissolved and it's going to be full martial law from here on out and it doesn't matter with rogue one, it becomes laughable. the imperial fleet's got sensor logs showing her ship peeling out of the hold of the rebel flagship, vader himself and a squad of stormtroopers watched it happen with their own eyes. yeah, she was always guilty of trafficking stolen classified materials. she wasn't always as obviously and utterly complicit in the matter, and as almost bizarrely brazen in her lying about it. no, that's not precisely what forums poster Gravitas Shortfall said but i'm pretty sure i interpreted the gist correctly. GS can correct me if i'm wrong though
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posted this in another thread and it seems on-topic here as well:Farmer Crack-rear end posted:it's not really contradictory at all to say "the scene where darth vader hacked up a bunch of mooks was really cool looking" and "the whole bit with the tantive doesn't quite line up with ANH in ways which can be a little jarring"
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Sally posted:elaborate spud finally does get clean after trainspotting 2 but realizes he can't live with his family, with every little daily thing triggering cravings again. he separates from them, finishes his memoir, and starts going by "obi-wan" and joins the jedi. this is all EU stuff. the fact that ewan mcgregor is in both films is a coincidence
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oh my god i forgot there was a trainspotting 2! i always meant to watch that! appreciate the clarification 
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it's pretty good! which is kinda shocking for a sequel to trainspotting made 20 years later
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:they meant that it negates the plausibility of her denial. like, in the original, it's arguable that she's setting up for a legal defense - "no we weren't involved, we just happened to be passing by this star system, we know nothing of any such transmissions, the senate's going to take my side on this" - while not knowing that actually the senate's being dissolved and it's going to be full martial law from here on out and it doesn't matter I guess I just never felt it was plausible in the slightest. Not because of any kind of internal logic but because no one cares.
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the CG replacements felt ghoulish and it felt like Everything's Gotta Be About Some Fuckin Skywalker, so i never really gave any thought to plausibility
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I agree that it makes Leia way loving funnier tho "I had a few beers but I'm cool to drive"
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Also Darth Vader makes a dad joke
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:they meant that it negates the plausibility of her denial. like, in the original, it's arguable that she's setting up for a legal defense - "no we weren't involved, we just happened to be passing by this star system, we know nothing of any such transmissions, the senate's going to take my side on this" - while not knowing that actually the senate's being dissolved and it's going to be full martial law from here on out and it doesn't matter It's this, yeah.
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Her ship was already being shot at. By a member of the government she's a part of, and with an official government ship. This is like running from the cops, having a highspeed chase, them shooting your tires out, and going "What's the problem officer?" I just don't think there was ever supposed to be any plausibility there to be picked up on by the audience.
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it's still a weird conversation to have after the events of rogue one though because Vader wouldn't be going on about "you weren't on any mercy mission, several transmissions were beamed to this ship" he'd be immediately saying something like "we saw your ship leaving a warship engaged in combat against imperial forces, several members of this ship's crew shot at me"
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why is so much of AOTC devoted to investigating who syfo-dias was and what he was up to then just never pay off all that buildup in any way
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it's really the worst part of the worst prequel, and i'm curious how the creative process led to that or why people think that's fine or else not true.
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Cease to Hope posted:why is so much of AOTC devoted to investigating who syfo-dias was and what he was up to then just never pay off all that buildup in any way Because it's not a good movie.
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i was hoping for a slightly more enlightening answer than that.
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Cease to Hope posted:it's really the worst part of the worst prequel, and i'm curious how the creative process led to that or why people think that's fine or else not true. I'm sure there was a big payoff, it was just left on the cutting room floor. A lot of movies suffer from editors forgetting that, if they cut something out, no one else besides them will know it exists. So you end up with a disjointed movie which only makes perfect sense to a small number of people directly involved in the editing. Everyone else is just left wondering about all those dangling plots and characters which went nowhere in the final version.
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I always figured Sifo Dyas was left as a dangling thread for the EU to deal with. Are you telling me there isn't an 8 book series on his life as a padawan?
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Cease to Hope posted:i was hoping for a slightly more enlightening answer than that. me too, friend
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Cease to Hope posted:i was hoping for a slightly more enlightening answer than that. Yes I know that's the point.
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