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Shellception
Oct 12, 2016

ALL THINGS THAT ARE ARE OURS. BUT WE MUST CARE. FOR IF WE DO NOT CARE, WE DO NOT EXIST. IF WE DO NOT EXIST, THEN THERE IS NOTHING BUT BLIND OBLIVION.

AND EVEN OBLIVION MUST END SOMEDAY.

wologar posted:

Ok.

##vote Hal

I can definitely see this too, as far as "see it" is "he made a single one word comment at the very start of the game that felt a little too performative". So, grain of salt, but.

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AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
There can't possibly be 3 scum, so one of shell meen and wologar needs to recheck the rules and/or their roles

Shellception
Oct 12, 2016

ALL THINGS THAT ARE ARE OURS. BUT WE MUST CARE. FOR IF WE DO NOT CARE, WE DO NOT EXIST. IF WE DO NOT EXIST, THEN THERE IS NOTHING BUT BLIND OBLIVION.

AND EVEN OBLIVION MUST END SOMEDAY.

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

There can't possibly be 3 scum, so one of shell meen and wologar needs to recheck the rules and/or their roles

Explain please?

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

There can't possibly be 3 scum, so one of shell meen and wologar needs to recheck the rules and/or their roles

I will recheck nothing.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

Shellception posted:

Yea. But, modvoice here, for safety reasons, that usually happens very particularly in games where your role PM isn't being posted in the thread when you die. Such as, you know, this one, because role PMs are a couple of comments in the Discord.

##vote Ignatius M. Meen

I haven't bothered to research this point to find out where and when the last time specifically it happened was. This is not the slip you think it is.

Also, vote for me at the ballot box, not here!

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

I've been taking notes from Sand "El Gruñón" Wolf.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

There can't possibly be 3 scum, so one of shell meen and wologar needs to recheck the rules and/or their roles

:colbert: I had my arm twisted to sign up as something besides a stump by Shell, I knew going in I'd end up playing wrong because that'd be the most fun and best idea with the resulting trainwreck.

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
Just so everyone is on the same page, all town knows who the president is, and all president claims in thread are performative taunts to scum or jokes

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

Shell claims she's not the President, and I don't think she's trying very hard to protect me. That makes her scum. ##vote Shellception

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

:colbert: I had my arm twisted to sign up as something besides a stump by Shell, I knew going in I'd end up playing wrong because that'd be the most fun and best idea with the resulting trainwreck.

what

b-minus1
Jul 24, 2008

She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

Shell claims she's not the President, and I don't think she's trying very hard to protect me. That makes her scum. ##vote Shellception

Even though you aren’t the president, I do think this is a good vote

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

Just so everyone is on the same page, all town knows who the president is, and all president claims in thread are performative taunts to scum or jokes

Ah, good to know. For scum.

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
If all town just collectively agrees not to ever vote the president under amy circumstances (and again, only town knows who the oresident is) scum will be put in a very harsh position

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

If all town just collectively agrees not to ever vote the president under amy circumstances (and again, only town knows who the oresident is) scum will be put in a very harsh position

Makes sense to me.

##vote Fancy

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
That way, if scum accidentally vote the president they'll be instantly exposed to all true town

Shellception
Oct 12, 2016

ALL THINGS THAT ARE ARE OURS. BUT WE MUST CARE. FOR IF WE DO NOT CARE, WE DO NOT EXIST. IF WE DO NOT EXIST, THEN THERE IS NOTHING BUT BLIND OBLIVION.

AND EVEN OBLIVION MUST END SOMEDAY.

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

Just so everyone is on the same page, all town knows who the president is, and all president claims in thread are performative taunts to scum or jokes

Yea, I think there's zero need to argue about who is or isn't the President. Town knows, so let's leave it at that.


Ignatius M. Meen posted:

:colbert: I had my arm twisted to sign up as something besides a stump by Shell, I knew going in I'd end up playing wrong because that'd be the most fun and best idea with the resulting trainwreck.

Yea that's true, I did twist your arm a bit. I like playing with you, sue me. But I also think you're scum here, sue me again.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

I haven't bothered to research this point to find out where and when the last time specifically it happened was. This is not the slip you think it is.

Also, vote for me at the ballot box, not here!

For the record as of the vote I don't think she's thinking it's a slip at all, she's treating me as the lowest hanging fruit and seeing if she can get people to bite or not. It's a bad case from someone who doesn't know I'm the President and is trying to figure it out, y'all.

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

That way, if scum accidentally vote the president they'll be instantly exposed to all true town

You're just scum hoping to make town signal who the president is, aren't you?

Shellception
Oct 12, 2016

ALL THINGS THAT ARE ARE OURS. BUT WE MUST CARE. FOR IF WE DO NOT CARE, WE DO NOT EXIST. IF WE DO NOT EXIST, THEN THERE IS NOTHING BUT BLIND OBLIVION.

AND EVEN OBLIVION MUST END SOMEDAY.

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

If all town just collectively agrees not to ever vote the president under amy circumstances (and again, only town knows who the oresident is) scum will be put in a very harsh position

You know, this might work if we keep it to D1 and we don't get someone who just rapidfires votes without reading or some poo poo. D2 it'd probably be too risky of a pattern, but I'm up for trying it today.

I know I'm not voting the president, so.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

b-minus1 posted:

Even though you aren’t the president, I do think this is a good vote

I'm glad you think so, despite you not being the president either

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.

Shellception posted:

You know, this might work if we keep it to D1 and we don't get someone who just rapidfires votes without reading or some poo poo. D2 it'd probably be too risky of a pattern, but I'm up for trying it today.

I know I'm not voting the president, so.

To make this work, we must also ensure everyone actually votes someone and chuck the non voters

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
##vote meen

Shellception
Oct 12, 2016

ALL THINGS THAT ARE ARE OURS. BUT WE MUST CARE. FOR IF WE DO NOT CARE, WE DO NOT EXIST. IF WE DO NOT EXIST, THEN THERE IS NOTHING BUT BLIND OBLIVION.

AND EVEN OBLIVION MUST END SOMEDAY.

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

For the record as of the vote I don't think she's thinking it's a slip at all, she's treating me as the lowest hanging fruit and seeing if she can get people to bite or not. It's a bad case from someone who doesn't know I'm the President and is trying to figure it out, y'all.

See, you're actually not coming out as someone trying to figure out things at all. That's the problem!

Suppose you death-laser me out of the thread. Who scum?

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

wologar posted:

You're just scum hoping to make town signal who the president is, aren't you?

It seems like such a spectacularly bad idea

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

How does this plan not end with scum day kill murdering the president before we can do anything about it, what am I missing

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.

Hal Incandenza posted:

How does this plan not end with scum day kill murdering the president before we can do anything about it, what am I missing

It's easy, we must all follow this plan without stating out loud when we catch the scum for voting the president.

Shellception
Oct 12, 2016

ALL THINGS THAT ARE ARE OURS. BUT WE MUST CARE. FOR IF WE DO NOT CARE, WE DO NOT EXIST. IF WE DO NOT EXIST, THEN THERE IS NOTHING BUT BLIND OBLIVION.

AND EVEN OBLIVION MUST END SOMEDAY.

Hal Incandenza posted:

How does this plan not end with scum day kill murdering the president before we can do anything about it, what am I missing

Yeah, in retrospect that only works if we assume people won't instantly pileup on whoever votes the president once. I still think it could work, but it'd need people to actually be discrete about what they're doing.

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
There needs to be a silent understanding that's only possible in this game because town has a crucial piece of information scum lacks

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
Another, even stronger option would be to set up a voting circle to each vote a different person, except the president and not reveal when the scum is inevitably, inescapably caught

Shellception
Oct 12, 2016

ALL THINGS THAT ARE ARE OURS. BUT WE MUST CARE. FOR IF WE DO NOT CARE, WE DO NOT EXIST. IF WE DO NOT EXIST, THEN THERE IS NOTHING BUT BLIND OBLIVION.

AND EVEN OBLIVION MUST END SOMEDAY.

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

Another, even stronger option would be to set up a voting circle to each vote a different person, except the president and not reveal when the scum is inevitably, inescapably caught

wtf? how does that not end up with the president exposed to begin with?

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

Another, even stronger option would be to set up a voting circle to each vote a different person, except the president and not reveal when the scum is inevitably, inescapably caught

Yeah but what if the vanilla scum is the one who’s caught and then the sniper kills the president

Like at any point the sniper can just kill, it seems almost impossible to coordinate this if the sniper is someone who can pay attention to the thread

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

Shellception posted:

wtf? how does that not end up with the president exposed to begin with?

wologar posted:

You're just scum hoping to make town signal who the president is, aren't you?

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
A -> B -> C -> A

President is A. Scum is C

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

Hal Incandenza posted:

Yeah but what if the vanilla scum is the one who’s caught and then the sniper kills the president

Like at any point the sniper can just kill, it seems almost impossible to coordinate this if the sniper is someone who can pay attention to the thread

Now this is a big if.

Shellception
Oct 12, 2016

ALL THINGS THAT ARE ARE OURS. BUT WE MUST CARE. FOR IF WE DO NOT CARE, WE DO NOT EXIST. IF WE DO NOT EXIST, THEN THERE IS NOTHING BUT BLIND OBLIVION.

AND EVEN OBLIVION MUST END SOMEDAY.

I don't think AFQM is scum right now, but I am getting a bit lost around the logic.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

Shellception posted:

See, you're actually not coming out as someone trying to figure out things at all. That's the problem!

Suppose you death-laser me out of the thread. Who scum?

IF you flipped town, I absolutely don't like Fancy suggesting a no-dunk D1 here. He's not the President and while I think the most fun play for all of town is to claim President regardless of their roll, there's a lot of use in doing that as scum as well to blend in, and no-dunk promises going into D2 with no information, one dead me or one dead town bomb, and the single mistake in the vote gone for town. It'd be 6 players at that time in the best case scenario and a misdunk that doesn't lead into me getting killed the second night leads instead into the scum being able to completely lock the vote up. It stinks a lot!

But right now I don't believe you will and I think you may be trying to narrow down who I won't suspect for you so you can shoot more accurately or kill better at night. I'm not doing that for you.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

A -> B -> C -> A

President is A. Scum is C

C might be vanilla scum or might be the sniper and if it’s the vanilla, sniper just shoots A as soon as people vote C

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
Our strength in this game is that the moment the plan is implemented, everyone should have one vote on them, including the president, so scum won't know who the president is but everyone knows who they are

Shellception
Oct 12, 2016

ALL THINGS THAT ARE ARE OURS. BUT WE MUST CARE. FOR IF WE DO NOT CARE, WE DO NOT EXIST. IF WE DO NOT EXIST, THEN THERE IS NOTHING BUT BLIND OBLIVION.

AND EVEN OBLIVION MUST END SOMEDAY.

Hal Incandenza posted:

Yeah but what if the vanilla scum is the one who’s caught and then the sniper kills the president

Like at any point the sniper can just kill, it seems almost impossible to coordinate this if the sniper is someone who can pay attention to the thread

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

A -> B -> C -> A

President is A. Scum is C

Ok, yea, now I see. But I do agree this is risky as gently caress, and it also means we're getting near useless vote progressions for D2 because people will just daisy-chain votes meaninglessly.

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Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Well I’ll be unavailable for the next 3 hours so don’t start the plan now if somehow anyone agrees to this plan that seems fraught with danger

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