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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Another, even stronger option would be to set up a voting circle to each vote a different person, except the president and not reveal when the scum is inevitably, inescapably caught this is completely torpedoed by the sniper making a reasonably good guess and voting first, then yes what Hal says, shooting whoever appears to be the President based on thread reactions
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Again, there is no need to publically announce scum has been caught Don’t we have to vote them? Maybe I really missed some mechanic here
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Sep 3, 2024 18:30
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This plan is scummy as gently caress. ##vote Fancy
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Sep 3, 2024 18:31
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Hal Incandenza posted:Don’t we have to vote them? Maybe I really missed some mechanic here Sure, we have to vote them. Eventually But before that we can freely hunt for the second scum, already knowing the first scum's identity, without either of them knowing we know
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Sep 3, 2024 18:33
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:IF you flipped town, I absolutely don't like Fancy suggesting a no-dunk D1 here. He's not the President and while I think the most fun play for all of town is to claim President regardless of their roll, there's a lot of use in doing that as scum as well to blend in, and no-dunk promises going into D2 with no information, one dead me or one dead town bomb, and the single mistake in the vote gone for town. It'd be 6 players at that time in the best case scenario and a misdunk that doesn't lead into me getting killed the second night leads instead into the scum being able to completely lock the vote up. It stinks a lot! So you suspect AFQM, but only if I flip town? How does my alignment exactly factors into your latter argument about AFQM's plans?
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Hal Incandenza posted:How does this plan not end with scum day kill murdering the president before we can do anything about it, what am I missing That’s what I’m saying. All the scum has to do is shoot me and the game ends
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b-minus1 posted:That’s what I’m saying. All the scum has to do is shoot me and the game ends Can't argue with that.
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Shellception posted:So you suspect AFQM, but only if I flip town? How does my alignment exactly factors into your latter argument about AFQM's plans? If you flipped town I'd have to think more about possible/likely pairings beyond the strongest pings. If you flip scum, I'm not going to have to think more at all because I slightly think that conversation between you and him earlier was theater. At this point though Fancy's sounding like what I remember of Cube's scum mech concepts and it doesn't matter who he's paired with or even if this is a secret bastard game and he's a surv who just wants to see the game end, it's not a town plan.
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I still will think if something else pops up because that's how I play, but until something does this feels cut and dry.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:If you flipped town I'd have to think more about possible/likely pairings beyond the strongest pings. If you flip scum, I'm not going to have to think more at all because I slightly think that conversation between you and him earlier was theater. At this point though Fancy's sounding like what I remember of Cube's scum mech concepts and it doesn't matter who he's paired with or even if this is a secret bastard game and he's a surv who just wants to see the game end, it's not a town plan. So now it's AFQM scum if I flip scum, but if I flip town then it may not be AFQM despite this conversation having started from: Ignatius M. Meen posted:IF you flipped town, I absolutely don't like Fancy suggesting a no-dunk D1 here [snipped for clarity] Because now somehow that convo could be scum theater? I'm not going to bang this drum again, I've said my piece. But while I like you talking, I don't think you're making all that much sense. It feels like you're working backwards to pin this on me and AFQM respectively, which isn't exactly filling me with confidence, all things said.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Sure, we have to vote them. Eventually From time to time, there are arguments that can be made in favor of leaving known scum alive; Umineko 1 and 2 for instance. This game does not have anything like that going on that makes it even arguably in town's favor to hold back at all on caught scum. There's an extremely strong incentive to yeet anybody who gets caught out either for not realizing I'm the President or otherwise immediately, in fact, because exactly one of two scum players is the sniper and if they get tossed before they can shoot someone, then scum is left with only the night kill as a means to be able to catch the President. The only sane reason to argue against aiming for that is if you're scum yourself and know your gambit only has to last a little bit before it pays off.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:From time to time, there are arguments that can be made in favor of leaving known scum alive; Umineko 1 and 2 for instance. This game does not have anything like that going on that makes it even arguably in town's favor to hold back at all on caught scum. There's an extremely strong incentive to yeet anybody who gets caught out either for not realizing I'm the President or otherwise immediately, in fact, because exactly one of two scum players is the sniper and if they get tossed before they can shoot someone, then scum is left with only the night kill as a means to be able to catch the President. The only sane reason to argue against aiming for that is if you're scum yourself and know your gambit only has to last a little bit before it pays off.
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Sep 3, 2024 19:06
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Reminder the scum vig is day, so "yeeting caught scum immediately" might, huh, not be so cut and dry.
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Shellception posted:So now it's AFQM scum if I flip scum, but if I flip town then it may not be AFQM despite this conversation having started from: You seem to have missed the part where I'm not voting you anymore. My reads changed and while I could still vote you I'm only doing it under duress because Fancy is right there, suggesting a plan that lets caught scum live where that will hurt town
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Shellception posted:Reminder the scum vig is day, so "yeeting caught scum immediately" might, huh, not be so cut and dry. Letting scum live and trying to find their partner instead, giving them time to play around that and distance is a terrible idea, hth
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:You seem to have missed the part where I'm not voting you anymore. My reads changed and while I could still vote you I'm only doing it under duress because Fancy is right there, suggesting a plan that lets caught scum live where that will hurt town Catching scum using my plan and instantly voting them out would expose the president, and not recognising this is a massive ping
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I kind of want to let this mech and voting argument cool a little and start hearing some of the silent-er people. Binus, Cube, Hal, where your heads at? I guess binus thinks I'm scum, but Hal hasn't said anything that wasn't about the voting plan and Cube just joked around. It's early into D1, but we do get a single misvote here so it'd be good if we cut jokephase a bit I guess.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:Letting scum live and trying to find their partner instead, giving them time to play around that and distance is a terrible idea, hth Yea no I agree there, I don't like the latest iterations of the idea.
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Treating Mafia like a boardgame only works if the setup allows it to work. This setup doesn't have that going for it; the bombs only counter the sniper if the sniper is forced to shoot and if the sniper is never put under voting pressure they never have to risk dying themselves.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Catching scum using my plan and instantly voting them out would expose the president, and not recognising this is a massive ping Yes, that does lead directly into your even worse suggestion that scum be allowed the time they need to win by attrition instead. Incredible how that works!
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Also you are clearly not the president with that post.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:Also you are clearly not the president with that post. Are you serious?
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i'm the president
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Shellception posted:I kind of want to let this mech and voting argument cool a little and start hearing some of the silent-er people. Wait, why do we get a single misvote?
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:Also you are clearly not the president with that post. omgscumslip
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Zoya posted:i'm the president Get down and dirty!
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Zoya posted:i'm the president GET DOWN MADAME PRESIDENT! ##VOTE IGGY
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Moritz lurking as usual smdh
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wologar posted:Wait, why do we get a single misvote? It was pieced up earlier, but with no protectives around, 5/2 with a misvote goes to 3/2 EXLO. It's not a single misvote and lose, but it's a single misvote before town can't afford any more and there's a scum vig loose with a 1/3 chance of instawin. So, you know.
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Shellception posted:It was pieced up earlier, but with no protectives around, 5/2 with a misvote goes to 3/2 EXLO. It's not a single misvote and lose, but it's a single misvote before town can't afford any more and there's a scum vig loose with a 1/3 chance of instawin. So, you know. Ah, but then we just need to lunch the vig. Ez.
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Shellception posted:I kind of want to let this mech and voting argument cool a little and start hearing some of the silent-er people. I THINK IT'S WEIRD THAT IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT, SOMEONE I PRESUMABLY WILL BE NEAR (OR, IF NOT, AT LEAST NEAR OTHER IMPORTANT STATE OFFICIALS) I (AND OTHERS) HAVE BEEN EQUIPPED WITH EXPLOSIVES. DOES THAT NOT SEEM STRANGE TO ANYONE ELSE?
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wologar posted:Get down and dirty! seriously what is this post and av combo
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AFQM SUGGESTING A THING THAT SEEMS SCUMMY ON THE SURFACE THAT KINDA INVOLVES CLAIMING IS IN-CHARACTER FOR TOWNaFQM. IGGY IS SCUM DUE TO THAT WELL-KNOWN MAFIA TROPE "THIRD PRESIDENT SCUM PRESIDENT." SHOT NOT HAPPENING YET RULES OUT SOME AS SNIPERS.
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CubicalSucrose posted:I THINK IT'S WEIRD THAT IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT, SOMEONE I PRESUMABLY WILL BE NEAR (OR, IF NOT, AT LEAST NEAR OTHER IMPORTANT STATE OFFICIALS) I (AND OTHERS) HAVE BEEN EQUIPPED WITH EXPLOSIVES. DOES THAT NOT SEEM STRANGE TO ANYONE ELSE? Sorry, could you speak up?
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CubicalSucrose posted:AFQM SUGGESTING A THING THAT SEEMS SCUMMY ON THE SURFACE THAT KINDA INVOLVES CLAIMING IS IN-CHARACTER FOR TOWNaFQM. IGGY IS SCUM DUE TO THAT WELL-KNOWN MAFIA TROPE "THIRD PRESIDENT SCUM PRESIDENT." SHOT NOT HAPPENING YET RULES OUT SOME AS SNIPERS. I hope you know fully well that I would have shot with my first post if I was the sniper. Shorter game than SpiderManMafia.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOrc37wNUqU
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##unvote just checked votefinder and realized we've already put Iggy at -1. There's definitely no need to hurry that freaking much.
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Iggy was at -1 and wasn't hammered. makes u think
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For the record if the scum team kills the president (me) at night instead of via sniper I will consider that an automatic town victory.
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