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AFancyQuestionMark posted:But I think the right move might be to no exe here? I thought about that too, but I don't think it helps much. Town has no night actions so we aren't catching scum at night, and scum can meanwhile kill safely and eliminate the town bombs without getting bombed (as per the OP, only dayshooting triggers bombs). So no exe just makes it safer for scum, IMO.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:But I think the right move might be to no exe here? Why?
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Sep 3, 2024 17:06
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That's true
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Shellception posted:I thought about that too, but I don't think it helps much. Town has no night actions so we aren't catching scum at night, and scum can meanwhile kill safely and eliminate the town bombs without getting bombed (as per the OP, only dayshooting triggers bombs). So no exe just makes it safer for scum, IMO. The OP doesn't state that scum have a night kill and Moritz never clarified as to whether they do or not. How do you know they do for sure?
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Sep 3, 2024 17:08
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:I think a miss exe d1 has good chances of outright losing us the game in this setup 5/2 goes to D2 3/2 LYLO, but if we make it to D2 we do have a confirmed town alive. It's a weird fast setup, but I don't think it's as desperate as a normal game with those numbers would be.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:The OP doesn't state that scum have a night kill and Moritz never clarified as to whether they do or not. How do you know they do for sure? How do you think they win if the scum sniper dies at any point and town starts no exeing for eternity?
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Sep 3, 2024 17:09
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The game could also end anytime if scum decide to shoot me, the president
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Or, what's the point of vanilla scum in a game with no NKs?
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Sep 3, 2024 17:10
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But a miss exe d1 means that a 5 town 2 scum balance turns into a 3 town 2 scum setup d2, at which point the sniper shoots an either wins the game or proceeds into a 1 scum 2 town n2 with no protecting roles, leading into 1 scum 1 town d3 and default loss for town
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Shellception posted:How do you think they win if the scum sniper dies at any point and town starts no exeing for eternity? Fair enough.
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Sep 3, 2024 17:12
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This is also a zero info role game
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Sep 3, 2024 17:13
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:But a miss exe d1 means that a 5 town 2 scum balance turns into a 3 town 2 scum setup d2, at which point the sniper shoots an either wins the game or proceeds into a 1 scum 2 town n2 with no protecting roles, leading into 1 scum 1 town d3 and default loss for town Wrong. If shooting doesn't end the day (and why would it?) scum shooting a bomb D2 in your scenario makes it a 1 scum 2 town D2. What was LYLO is still LYLO.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:But a miss exe d1 means that a 5 town 2 scum balance turns into a 3 town 2 scum setup d2, at which point the sniper shoots an either wins the game or proceeds into a 1 scum 2 town n2 with no protecting roles, leading into 1 scum 1 town d3 and default loss for town So, basically if we kill town today we are guaranteed to lose nomatter what, there is NO winning scenario
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Sep 3, 2024 17:14
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Shellception posted:Wrong. If shooting doesn't end the day (and why would it?) scum shooting a bomb D2 in your scenario makes it a 1 scum 2 town D2. What was LYLO is still LYLO. Okay this is correct
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Sep 3, 2024 17:15
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Let me revise, the above scenario leaves us in a zero info 2 town 1 scum d2. That's a pure coin toss
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Sep 3, 2024 17:16
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So it's a pure zero info lylo
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I am still leaning towards no exe but that correction made me reconsider
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Sep 3, 2024 17:18
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It's not zero info, that's why we're playing Mafia. D1 and an hypothetical D2 LYLO give us plenty of info. We have all of one safe misvote, and that's why we want to get people up and talking poo poo D1, let's make the scum have to work to stay hidden.
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anyone that's still keen to stump post can just go right ahead and post
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I no longer think shell is scum But I am now 80% Iggy is scum, as town Meen woud have interjected in that discussion for sure
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I'm side-eyeing Meen a bit. Would have expected some setup-breaking ideas instead of a faint gotcha attempt, but tbf it might just be a bit early in the US.
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I truly don't see how refusing to yeet someone today leaves us with more information tomorrow, or in a better voting spot. A night kill is a free shot to off me and none of the bombs can do anything about it if I die that way.
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Sep 3, 2024 17:23
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It's been so long that I forgot the OP.
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Shellception posted:I'm side-eyeing Meen a bit. Would have expected some setup-breaking ideas instead of a faint gotcha attempt, but tbf it might just be a bit early in the US. I TOLD you I don't have good ideas this game. This is a rough setup to play and I got the least helpful role where people know I'm town but I have no idea who to believe is town back.
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Sep 3, 2024 17:25
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I remember something about there being one president and town losing when the president dies. Nobody correct me, please.
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Sep 3, 2024 17:25
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Might this be the long awaited meen cube scum teamup?
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:I TOLD you I don't have good ideas this game. This is a rough setup to play and I got the least helpful role where people know I'm town but I have no idea who to believe is town back. How do people know you're town?
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wologar posted:It's been so long that I forgot the OP. yea you're right it's been, happy to play with you again 
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wologar posted:How do people know you're town? Recheck your PM. If you don't see the proof there, tell us who your scumbud is!
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Shellception posted:yea you're right it's been, happy to play with you again A version of Accordance 5.0 rewritten to run natively under Mac OS X was released in 2002. The company has continued to add and improve features, such as adding the native Quartz rendering system. Version 8 was released in May 2008 and introduced a universal binary for Intel-based Macs. Additional versions were released in 2010 through 2016.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:Recheck your PM. If you don't see the proof there, tell us who your scumbud is! You have a role pm???
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wologar posted:How do people know you're town? Is this a genuine scum slip?
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Might this be the long awaited meen cube scum teamup? 
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wologar posted:How do people know you're town? ... Ignatius M. Meen posted:Recheck your PM. If you don't see the proof there, tell us who your scumbud is! ...... how many role PMs have you seen as of late that do say who's your scumbud in them?
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I have no idea what you guys are on about.
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wologar posted:I have no idea what you guys are on about. Neither do we, don't worry. Vote scum.
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Shellception posted:... "of late" IDK but I believe I've seen it happen at least once in the past year or so.
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Please limit your scumslips to one poster per page please
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Shellception posted:Neither do we, don't worry. Vote scum. Ok. ##vote Hal
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:"of late" IDK but I believe I've seen it happen at least once in the past year or so. Yea. But, modvoice here, for safety reasons, that usually happens very particularly in games where your role PM isn't being posted in the thread when you die. Such as, you know, this one, because role PMs are a couple of comments in the Discord. ##vote Ignatius M. Meen
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