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I'm intrigued but I wanna know how the stumps are decided before I sign up. Is the assignment random between all the people who show up or is it first come first serve on players vs. stumps?
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I'll be a stump reporter trying to get the scoop on the assassination plot.
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Sep 3, 2024 09:39
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Shellception posted:I'll play if you play (as a player not a stump!) In the interest of getting this game started, alright, but I am going to warn y'all while I have ideas about how to play this I can't promise they're good ones as opposed to the kind that will explode in my face. Also it's not clarified in the OP - do the scum get a night kill that they can kill the president with or is this nightless?
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Sep 3, 2024 11:09
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Shellception posted:what makes you think you are the only one Aight then let's all blow up the popsicle stand!
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Sep 3, 2024 11:56
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Gentlefolx, I am clearly the president. ##vote Cube
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Sep 3, 2024 17:02
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:But I think the right move might be to no exe here? Why?
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Sep 3, 2024 17:06
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Shellception posted:I thought about that too, but I don't think it helps much. Town has no night actions so we aren't catching scum at night, and scum can meanwhile kill safely and eliminate the town bombs without getting bombed (as per the OP, only dayshooting triggers bombs). So no exe just makes it safer for scum, IMO. The OP doesn't state that scum have a night kill and Moritz never clarified as to whether they do or not. How do you know they do for sure?
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Sep 3, 2024 17:08
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Shellception posted:How do you think they win if the scum sniper dies at any point and town starts no exeing for eternity? Fair enough.
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Sep 3, 2024 17:12
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I truly don't see how refusing to yeet someone today leaves us with more information tomorrow, or in a better voting spot. A night kill is a free shot to off me and none of the bombs can do anything about it if I die that way.
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Sep 3, 2024 17:23
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Shellception posted:I'm side-eyeing Meen a bit. Would have expected some setup-breaking ideas instead of a faint gotcha attempt, but tbf it might just be a bit early in the US. I TOLD you I don't have good ideas this game. This is a rough setup to play and I got the least helpful role where people know I'm town but I have no idea who to believe is town back.
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Sep 3, 2024 17:25
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wologar posted:How do people know you're town? Recheck your PM. If you don't see the proof there, tell us who your scumbud is!
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Sep 3, 2024 17:28
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Might this be the long awaited meen cube scum teamup? 
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Sep 3, 2024 17:30
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Shellception posted:... "of late" IDK but I believe I've seen it happen at least once in the past year or so.
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Sep 3, 2024 17:33
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Shellception posted:Yea. But, modvoice here, for safety reasons, that usually happens very particularly in games where your role PM isn't being posted in the thread when you die. Such as, you know, this one, because role PMs are a couple of comments in the Discord. I haven't bothered to research this point to find out where and when the last time specifically it happened was. This is not the slip you think it is. Also, vote for me at the ballot box, not here!
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Sep 3, 2024 17:39
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:There can't possibly be 3 scum, so one of shell meen and wologar needs to recheck the rules and/or their roles  I had my arm twisted to sign up as something besides a stump by Shell, I knew going in I'd end up playing wrong because that'd be the most fun and best idea with the resulting trainwreck.
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Sep 3, 2024 17:42
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Shell claims she's not the President, and I don't think she's trying very hard to protect me. That makes her scum. ##vote Shellception
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Sep 3, 2024 17:44
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:I haven't bothered to research this point to find out where and when the last time specifically it happened was. This is not the slip you think it is. For the record as of the vote I don't think she's thinking it's a slip at all, she's treating me as the lowest hanging fruit and seeing if she can get people to bite or not. It's a bad case from someone who doesn't know I'm the President and is trying to figure it out, y'all.
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Sep 3, 2024 17:49
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b-minus1 posted:Even though you aren’t the president, I do think this is a good vote I'm glad you think so, despite you not being the president either
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Sep 3, 2024 17:56
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Shellception posted:See, you're actually not coming out as someone trying to figure out things at all. That's the problem! IF you flipped town, I absolutely don't like Fancy suggesting a no-dunk D1 here. He's not the President and while I think the most fun play for all of town is to claim President regardless of their roll, there's a lot of use in doing that as scum as well to blend in, and no-dunk promises going into D2 with no information, one dead me or one dead town bomb, and the single mistake in the vote gone for town. It'd be 6 players at that time in the best case scenario and a misdunk that doesn't lead into me getting killed the second night leads instead into the scum being able to completely lock the vote up. It stinks a lot! But right now I don't believe you will and I think you may be trying to narrow down who I won't suspect for you so you can shoot more accurately or kill better at night. I'm not doing that for you.
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Sep 3, 2024 18:24
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Another, even stronger option would be to set up a voting circle to each vote a different person, except the president and not reveal when the scum is inevitably, inescapably caught this is completely torpedoed by the sniper making a reasonably good guess and voting first, then yes what Hal says, shooting whoever appears to be the President based on thread reactions
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Sep 3, 2024 18:30
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This plan is scummy as gently caress. ##vote Fancy
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Sep 3, 2024 18:31
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Shellception posted:So you suspect AFQM, but only if I flip town? How does my alignment exactly factors into your latter argument about AFQM's plans? If you flipped town I'd have to think more about possible/likely pairings beyond the strongest pings. If you flip scum, I'm not going to have to think more at all because I slightly think that conversation between you and him earlier was theater. At this point though Fancy's sounding like what I remember of Cube's scum mech concepts and it doesn't matter who he's paired with or even if this is a secret bastard game and he's a surv who just wants to see the game end, it's not a town plan.
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Sep 3, 2024 18:49
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I still will think if something else pops up because that's how I play, but until something does this feels cut and dry.
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Sep 3, 2024 18:51
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Sure, we have to vote them. Eventually From time to time, there are arguments that can be made in favor of leaving known scum alive; Umineko 1 and 2 for instance. This game does not have anything like that going on that makes it even arguably in town's favor to hold back at all on caught scum. There's an extremely strong incentive to yeet anybody who gets caught out either for not realizing I'm the President or otherwise immediately, in fact, because exactly one of two scum players is the sniper and if they get tossed before they can shoot someone, then scum is left with only the night kill as a means to be able to catch the President. The only sane reason to argue against aiming for that is if you're scum yourself and know your gambit only has to last a little bit before it pays off.
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Sep 3, 2024 19:03
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Shellception posted:So now it's AFQM scum if I flip scum, but if I flip town then it may not be AFQM despite this conversation having started from: You seem to have missed the part where I'm not voting you anymore. My reads changed and while I could still vote you I'm only doing it under duress because Fancy is right there, suggesting a plan that lets caught scum live where that will hurt town
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Sep 3, 2024 19:14
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Shellception posted:Reminder the scum vig is day, so "yeeting caught scum immediately" might, huh, not be so cut and dry. Letting scum live and trying to find their partner instead, giving them time to play around that and distance is a terrible idea, hth
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Sep 3, 2024 19:15
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Treating Mafia like a boardgame only works if the setup allows it to work. This setup doesn't have that going for it; the bombs only counter the sniper if the sniper is forced to shoot and if the sniper is never put under voting pressure they never have to risk dying themselves.
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Sep 3, 2024 19:21
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Catching scum using my plan and instantly voting them out would expose the president, and not recognising this is a massive ping Yes, that does lead directly into your even worse suggestion that scum be allowed the time they need to win by attrition instead. Incredible how that works!
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Sep 3, 2024 19:22
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Also you are clearly not the president with that post.
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Sep 3, 2024 19:23
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b-minus1 posted:Maybe include a doctor to protect president at night? A start but it's still Assassin in the Palace with that. A doctor who knows who the President is won't ever protect anyone else, so the sniper just has to survive long enough to find the one player that doesn't die and then shoot them in the daytime (or get lucky by killing/yeeting the doctor). What's really needed is some extra give so that town won't risk throwing by playing Mafia more normally. Otherwise the best bet to completely frustrate the scum's ability to shoot the President is to toss the Mafia part and turbo people out at random (about 57% chance to get at least one scum that way, a not inconsiderable approximate 21.2% chance of winning that way, and this is with the 7 players 2 scum setup).
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Sep 4, 2024 17:47
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Probably one way to take inspiration from Assassin in the Palace without making it hazardous to play Mafia for town is to just have the king equivalent be a few power roles instead (which know each other, and which all of the other VT know as well). That replicates the guessing game for scum without it being fatal for town to make it too easy by way of saying too much with their reads and actions.
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EGalz18 posted:Oh... I didn't realize this was a pre-existing mafia setup. I thought it was based on Two Rooms and a Boom, and I was really curious how the same level of WIFOM could be achieved without splitting threads/hostage swapping The inspiration felt pretty clear given the major parts of having a single townie that would cause town to lose if killed and a scum who could kill that townie in order to win but only had effectively the one shot. That game looks neat but you would definitely need to handle that like the soldiers games of yore with two threads that would change who was voting from day to day since scum is trying to get their killer to stay in the same room as the town president and not get traded out. Tired Moritz posted:i went to the site thats linked below and why the gently caress is the text blue against dark gray AAAAAAAAa  IDK man the wiki page is white with black text on my end and the forum defaults to dark mode it looks like
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