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Ignatius M. Meen posted:I'll be a stump reporter trying to get the scoop on the assassination plot. I'll play if you play (as a player not a stump!)
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# ¿ May 20, 2025 19:36 |
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:In the interest of getting this game started, alright, but I am going to warn y'all while I have ideas about how to play this I can't promise they're good ones as opposed to the kind that will explode in my face. what makes you think you are the only one
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Hi
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b-minus1 posted:Greetings my fellow Americans I'm not.
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Would have been cool being the first woman in office, but alas.
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CubicalSucrose posted:IF I WERE THE SCUM SNIPER (WHICH I MIGHT BE) THE FUNNIEST MOVE WOULD BE SHOOTING MY SCUMBUD D1 Agreed. But I was kinda getting townie vibes off you anyway.
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b-minus1 posted:I wonder why that is He's doing the same dumb poo poo I thought of doing but didn't, if that helps.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:But I think the right move might be to no exe here? I thought about that too, but I don't think it helps much. Town has no night actions so we aren't catching scum at night, and scum can meanwhile kill safely and eliminate the town bombs without getting bombed (as per the OP, only dayshooting triggers bombs). So no exe just makes it safer for scum, IMO.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:I think a miss exe d1 has good chances of outright losing us the game in this setup 5/2 goes to D2 3/2 LYLO, but if we make it to D2 we do have a confirmed town alive. It's a weird fast setup, but I don't think it's as desperate as a normal game with those numbers would be.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:The OP doesn't state that scum have a night kill and Moritz never clarified as to whether they do or not. How do you know they do for sure? How do you think they win if the scum sniper dies at any point and town starts no exeing for eternity?
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Or, what's the point of vanilla scum in a game with no NKs?
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:But a miss exe d1 means that a 5 town 2 scum balance turns into a 3 town 2 scum setup d2, at which point the sniper shoots an either wins the game or proceeds into a 1 scum 2 town n2 with no protecting roles, leading into 1 scum 1 town d3 and default loss for town Wrong. If shooting doesn't end the day (and why would it?) scum shooting a bomb D2 in your scenario makes it a 1 scum 2 town D2. What was LYLO is still LYLO.
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It's not zero info, that's why we're playing Mafia. D1 and an hypothetical D2 LYLO give us plenty of info. We have all of one safe misvote, and that's why we want to get people up and talking poo poo D1, let's make the scum have to work to stay hidden.
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I'm side-eyeing Meen a bit. Would have expected some setup-breaking ideas instead of a faint gotcha attempt, but tbf it might just be a bit early in the US.
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wologar posted:It's been so long that I forgot the OP. yea you're right it's been, happy to play with you again ![]()
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wologar posted:How do people know you're town? ... Ignatius M. Meen posted:Recheck your PM. If you don't see the proof there, tell us who your scumbud is! ...... how many role PMs have you seen as of late that do say who's your scumbud in them?
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wologar posted:I have no idea what you guys are on about. Neither do we, don't worry. Vote scum.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:"of late" IDK but I believe I've seen it happen at least once in the past year or so. Yea. But, modvoice here, for safety reasons, that usually happens very particularly in games where your role PM isn't being posted in the thread when you die. Such as, you know, this one, because role PMs are a couple of comments in the Discord. ##vote Ignatius M. Meen
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wologar posted:Ok. I can definitely see this too, as far as "see it" is "he made a single one word comment at the very start of the game that felt a little too performative". So, grain of salt, but.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:There can't possibly be 3 scum, so one of shell meen and wologar needs to recheck the rules and/or their roles Explain please?
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Just so everyone is on the same page, all town knows who the president is, and all president claims in thread are performative taunts to scum or jokes Yea, I think there's zero need to argue about who is or isn't the President. Town knows, so let's leave it at that. Ignatius M. Meen posted:
Yea that's true, I did twist your arm a bit. I like playing with you, sue me. But I also think you're scum here, sue me again.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:If all town just collectively agrees not to ever vote the president under amy circumstances (and again, only town knows who the oresident is) scum will be put in a very harsh position You know, this might work if we keep it to D1 and we don't get someone who just rapidfires votes without reading or some poo poo. D2 it'd probably be too risky of a pattern, but I'm up for trying it today. I know I'm not voting the president, so.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:For the record as of the vote I don't think she's thinking it's a slip at all, she's treating me as the lowest hanging fruit and seeing if she can get people to bite or not. It's a bad case from someone who doesn't know I'm the President and is trying to figure it out, y'all. See, you're actually not coming out as someone trying to figure out things at all. That's the problem! Suppose you death-laser me out of the thread. Who scum?
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Hal Incandenza posted:How does this plan not end with scum day kill murdering the president before we can do anything about it, what am I missing Yeah, in retrospect that only works if we assume people won't instantly pileup on whoever votes the president once. I still think it could work, but it'd need people to actually be discrete about what they're doing.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Another, even stronger option would be to set up a voting circle to each vote a different person, except the president and not reveal when the scum is inevitably, inescapably caught wtf? how does that not end up with the president exposed to begin with?
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I don't think AFQM is scum right now, but I am getting a bit lost around the logic.
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Hal Incandenza posted:Yeah but what if the vanilla scum is the one who’s caught and then the sniper kills the president AFancyQuestionMark posted:A -> B -> C -> A Ok, yea, now I see. But I do agree this is risky as gently caress, and it also means we're getting near useless vote progressions for D2 because people will just daisy-chain votes meaninglessly.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:IF you flipped town, I absolutely don't like Fancy suggesting a no-dunk D1 here. He's not the President and while I think the most fun play for all of town is to claim President regardless of their roll, there's a lot of use in doing that as scum as well to blend in, and no-dunk promises going into D2 with no information, one dead me or one dead town bomb, and the single mistake in the vote gone for town. It'd be 6 players at that time in the best case scenario and a misdunk that doesn't lead into me getting killed the second night leads instead into the scum being able to completely lock the vote up. It stinks a lot! So you suspect AFQM, but only if I flip town? How does my alignment exactly factors into your latter argument about AFQM's plans?
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:If you flipped town I'd have to think more about possible/likely pairings beyond the strongest pings. If you flip scum, I'm not going to have to think more at all because I slightly think that conversation between you and him earlier was theater. At this point though Fancy's sounding like what I remember of Cube's scum mech concepts and it doesn't matter who he's paired with or even if this is a secret bastard game and he's a surv who just wants to see the game end, it's not a town plan. So now it's AFQM scum if I flip scum, but if I flip town then it may not be AFQM despite this conversation having started from: Ignatius M. Meen posted:IF you flipped town, I absolutely don't like Fancy suggesting a no-dunk D1 here [snipped for clarity] Because now somehow that convo could be scum theater? I'm not going to bang this drum again, I've said my piece. But while I like you talking, I don't think you're making all that much sense. It feels like you're working backwards to pin this on me and AFQM respectively, which isn't exactly filling me with confidence, all things said.
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Reminder the scum vig is day, so "yeeting caught scum immediately" might, huh, not be so cut and dry.
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I kind of want to let this mech and voting argument cool a little and start hearing some of the silent-er people. Binus, Cube, Hal, where your heads at? I guess binus thinks I'm scum, but Hal hasn't said anything that wasn't about the voting plan and Cube just joked around. It's early into D1, but we do get a single misvote here so it'd be good if we cut jokephase a bit I guess.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:Letting scum live and trying to find their partner instead, giving them time to play around that and distance is a terrible idea, hth Yea no I agree there, I don't like the latest iterations of the idea.
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wologar posted:Wait, why do we get a single misvote? It was pieced up earlier, but with no protectives around, 5/2 with a misvote goes to 3/2 EXLO. It's not a single misvote and lose, but it's a single misvote before town can't afford any more and there's a scum vig loose with a 1/3 chance of instawin. So, you know.
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wologar posted:Get down and dirty! seriously what is this post and av combo
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##unvote just checked votefinder and realized we've already put Iggy at -1. There's definitely no need to hurry that freaking much.
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wologar posted:Iggy was at -1 and wasn't hammered. Eh. I did consider that, but there's way too much WIFOM there. Iggy is scum? All two scum were in the three votes? Whoever could have hammered was AFK or just didn't care to check? I definitely doesn't seem like anyone else noticed, so who the hell knows. Day 1 scumrush would have been funny tho, not gonna lie.
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Shellception posted:Eh. I did consider that, but there's way too much WIFOM there. Iggy is scum? All two scum were in the three votes? Whoever could have hammered was AFK or just didn't care to check? It definitely doesn't seem like anyone else noticed, so who the hell knows. Mafia edit: typo bugging me.
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What it makes me think is that an sniper Iggy would probably have shot if he had noticed he was so close to death. Which is not much of an observation, but I guess it's something to note down.
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wologar posted:New idea: put everyone at -1 until someone shoots. You all stop reading my mind please
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# ¿ May 20, 2025 19:36 |
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wologar posted:You need to post more, Mr President. The president doth protest too little, methinks.
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