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AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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No, I am the president

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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I am big P

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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I think binus may be trying to protect me with a fake claim, but there's no need. Scum are too cowardly to shoot

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Scum are born cowards who can only skulk around at night, but slink back into the shadows come day time. They can't and won't take the shot even though it may win them the game

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Imo cube and shell are scum this game

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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But I think the right move might be to no exe here?

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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I think a miss exe d1 has good chances of outright losing us the game in this setup

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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That's true

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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But a miss exe d1 means that a 5 town 2 scum balance turns into a 3 town 2 scum setup d2, at which point the sniper shoots an either wins the game or proceeds into a 1 scum 2 town n2 with no protecting roles, leading into 1 scum 1 town d3 and default loss for town

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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This is also a zero info role game

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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AFancyQuestionMark posted:

But a miss exe d1 means that a 5 town 2 scum balance turns into a 3 town 2 scum setup d2, at which point the sniper shoots an either wins the game or proceeds into a 1 scum 2 town n2 with no protecting roles, leading into 1 scum 1 town d3 and default loss for town

So, basically if we kill town today we are guaranteed to lose nomatter what, there is NO winning scenario

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Shellception posted:

Wrong. If shooting doesn't end the day (and why would it?) scum shooting a bomb D2 in your scenario makes it a 1 scum 2 town D2. What was LYLO is still LYLO.

Okay this is correct

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Let me revise, the above scenario leaves us in a zero info 2 town 1 scum d2. That's a pure coin toss

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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So it's a pure zero info lylo

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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I am still leaning towards no exe but that correction made me reconsider

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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I no longer think shell is scum

But I am now 80% Iggy is scum, as town Meen woud have interjected in that discussion for sure

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Might this be the long awaited meen cube scum teamup?

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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wologar posted:

How do people know you're town?

Is this a genuine scum slip?

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Please limit your scumslips to one poster per page please

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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There can't possibly be 3 scum, so one of shell meen and wologar needs to recheck the rules and/or their roles

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Just so everyone is on the same page, all town knows who the president is, and all president claims in thread are performative taunts to scum or jokes

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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If all town just collectively agrees not to ever vote the president under amy circumstances (and again, only town knows who the oresident is) scum will be put in a very harsh position

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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That way, if scum accidentally vote the president they'll be instantly exposed to all true town

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Shellception posted:

You know, this might work if we keep it to D1 and we don't get someone who just rapidfires votes without reading or some poo poo. D2 it'd probably be too risky of a pattern, but I'm up for trying it today.

I know I'm not voting the president, so.

To make this work, we must also ensure everyone actually votes someone and chuck the non voters

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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##vote meen

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Hal Incandenza posted:

How does this plan not end with scum day kill murdering the president before we can do anything about it, what am I missing

It's easy, we must all follow this plan without stating out loud when we catch the scum for voting the president.

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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There needs to be a silent understanding that's only possible in this game because town has a crucial piece of information scum lacks

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Another, even stronger option would be to set up a voting circle to each vote a different person, except the president and not reveal when the scum is inevitably, inescapably caught

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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A -> B -> C -> A

President is A. Scum is C

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Our strength in this game is that the moment the plan is implemented, everyone should have one vote on them, including the president, so scum won't know who the president is but everyone knows who they are

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Again, there is no need to publically announce scum has been caught

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Hal Incandenza posted:

Don’t we have to vote them? Maybe I really missed some mechanic here

Sure, we have to vote them. Eventually

But before that we can freely hunt for the second scum, already knowing the first scum's identity, without either of them knowing we know

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Ignatius M. Meen posted:

From time to time, there are arguments that can be made in favor of leaving known scum alive; Umineko 1 and 2 for instance. This game does not have anything like that going on that makes it even arguably in town's favor to hold back at all on caught scum. There's an extremely strong incentive to yeet anybody who gets caught out either for not realizing I'm the President or otherwise immediately, in fact, because exactly one of two scum players is the sniper and if they get tossed before they can shoot someone, then scum is left with only the night kill as a means to be able to catch the President. The only sane reason to argue against aiming for that is if you're scum yourself and know your gambit only has to last a little bit before it pays off.
This is a scum post, there is no way town Meen misreads mechanics so badly here

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Ignatius M. Meen posted:

You seem to have missed the part where I'm not voting you anymore. My reads changed and while I could still vote you I'm only doing it under duress because Fancy is right there, suggesting a plan that lets caught scum live where that will hurt town

Catching scum using my plan and instantly voting them out would expose the president, and not recognising this is a massive ping

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Ignatius M. Meen posted:

Also you are clearly not the president with that post.

Are you serious?

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Is no one going to shoot?

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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Binus, shell, mind voting for someone?

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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AFancyQuestionMark posted:

Binus, shell, mind voting for someone?

Meant binus and hal here

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AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

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I am at -1

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