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cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

Kemono-san posted:

I think retroachievements are an obscenity.

i think you cant handle a little challenge in your life

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Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Kemono-san posted:

I think retroachievements are an obscenity.

this

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

cumpantry posted:

i think you cant handle a little challenge in your life

Achievement unlocked! Played the first level!

Oh wow, such challenge, i certainly feel pride and accomplishment for completing a Herculean task

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

Mister Facetious posted:

Achievement unlocked! Played the first level!

Oh wow, such challenge, i certainly feel pride and accomplishment for completing a Herculean task

yup thats what they all for sure are

Kemono-san
Oct 7, 2007

skill issue

cumpantry posted:

i think you cant handle a little challenge in your life

I think you can handle playing old games without being clicker trained by someone writing poo poo like "'Let's Start! 5G'! Picked your starter in Pokémon Blue"

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:
Might as well have an AI chatbot congratulate/ego boost you while playing a game

Kemono-san
Oct 7, 2007

skill issue
It is obscene, it is TBS colorizing Casablanca, it is anime with a dub.

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

Kemono-san posted:

I think you can handle playing old games without being clicker trained by someone writing poo poo like "'Let's Start! 5G'! Picked your starter in Pokémon Blue"

right so like i said, you are a pussy that cant handle a challenge

Mister Facetious posted:

Might as well have an AI chatbot congratulate/ego boost you while playing a game

also a pussy

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


The RetroAchievements bit is stupid and unfunny but it is really funny seeing cumpantry get weirdly mad about people not liking it

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

they can dislike it for better reasons than brainless sweeping assumptions

Kemono-san
Oct 7, 2007

skill issue
You're so deprived of dopamine and approval that beating Mother Brain isn't satisfying in itself anymore, you need a computer to give you headpats.

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013

i can half see the appeal but i feel like people who use it have this compulsion to sculpt a lot of how they play retro games around it and that's not great for a program inherently limited in its possible support where you often have significantly better options or may just be better off with more niche ones that retroachievements can't cover. like it feels weird seeing people emulate games on it that have pc versions that are by default better and where if you're going to play the original version the only real reason to do that would be to play them on the original hardware itself because now emulation is putting you somewhere between a less accurate experience but also one more poorly tailored for the system you're using

The Colonel fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Oct 9, 2025

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008



Gravy Boat 2k
RA is a fun lil bonus for doing something you already wanted to do in playing old games but I'm not so sure it's ever really gonna be a motivator for me to play more old games.


Nintendo doesn't really do cheevos the same way but I've had no issues picking up some switch 1/2 games for a long session. Not quite the same thing, I know.

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

The Colonel posted:

i can half see the appeal but i feel like people who use it have this compulsion to sculpt a lot of how they play retro games around it and that's not great for a program inherently limited in its possible support where you often have significantly better options or may just be better off with more niche ones that retroachievements can't cover. like it feels weird seeing people emulate games on it that have pc versions that are by default better and where if you're going to play the original version the only real reason to do that would be to play them on the original hardware itself because now emulation is putting you somewhere between a less accurate experience but also one more poorly tailored for the system you're using

very fair imo, i think it is worth pointing out that there is the factor of money for these pc versions vs roms that are easy to source, and there is the diff of community--playing on steam puts you in the steam community, playing on gog puts you in no community at all, playing on roms puts you in the retroachievements community with all the comment boards and forums that entails. i also think anyone who would avoid playing a retro game because it doesnt have an achievement set is pretty lame too

the biggest reason i champion RA is because it's breathed new life into several old games i grew up playing, encouraging me to interact with them in new ways entirely or teaching me secrets i had no idea existed. the kirby series is easy because theyre p much kids games but surprisingly boss design is more complex than i ever realized due to how easy it is to buffer through them in a normal playthrough. ive got new respect for Adventure

even the useless achievements Feels brings up have a place in terms of tracking percentage of gameplay completion. like on steam, i like seeing how far your average gamer gets and what stops their feet

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013

i'm not even talking about pc ports that cost money i'm talking about community ones like the jak, mario, zelda and sonic ports

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

fair again though this comes back to the diff in being a part of a community and playing in isolation. if it was someones first time playing mario 64 i probably would direct them to the pc port but for someone who's gone through it a half dozen times, why not try with some challenges hanging overhead?

Ohtori Akio
Jul 14, 2022

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i think in game cheevos that reward you with goodies or art etc are cool. not a fan of external cheevos like ra/steam/etc. happy for anyone who enjoys

Kemono-san
Oct 7, 2007

skill issue

cumpantry posted:

fair again though this comes back to the diff in being a part of a community and playing in isolation. if it was someones first time playing mario 64 i probably would direct them to the pc port but for someone who's gone through it a half dozen times, why not try with some challenges hanging overhead?

You don't need that stupid poo poo to be part of a community. Play the god drat game and post about it.

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

Kemono-san posted:

You don't need that stupid poo poo to be part of a community. Play the god drat game and post about it.

oh my god can you post in any worse faith you moron

Ohtori Akio
Jul 14, 2022

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Kemono-san posted:

You don't need that stupid poo poo to be part of a community. Play the god drat game and post about it.

yup

Ohtori Akio
Jul 14, 2022

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personally i will be playing zenless zone zero however.

Kemono-san
Oct 7, 2007

skill issue

Ohtori Akio posted:

personally i will be playing zenless zone zero however.

Pulchra's big honkers.

Ohtori Akio
Jul 14, 2022

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Kemono-san posted:

Pulchra's big honkers.

i prefer miyabi's big ears

leather fedora
Jun 26, 2004

The closest acceptable translation is
"die properly"

cumpantry posted:

sigh... let's bust the abe assassin out
Probably won't even have to if the rumors that she's also connected to the Moonies are true.

Southern Cassowary
Jan 2, 2023

Ohtori Akio posted:

happy for anyone who enjoys

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009
every retroachievement ive checked has been entirely *pushed a* type poo poo tbh

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009
like look at sacred stones lmfao

https://retroachievements.org/game/2482



cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

Endorph posted:

every retroachievement ive checked has been entirely *pushed a* type poo poo tbh


Bounce Tales (10) (56)
Finish 5-1 with Kirby being transformed into ball form the entire time
Never Look Back except when is Needed (5) (16)
Finish 2-4 with only a single obligatory left press
Bring It On! (25) (148)
Defeat all the mini-bosses at the secret path in 7-2 without taking damage (No Stone, No Tornado and No Throw)
Just... JUST FIGHT ME!!!! (10) (46)
Survive Meta-Knight attacks for 1 minute without hurting him and without flying

etc

it all comes down to the individual devs. for contrast, the amazing mirror set is extremely boring and is almost entirely 100% completion.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

cumpantry posted:

Bounce Tales (10) (56)
Finish 5-1 with Kirby being transformed into ball form the entire time
Never Look Back except when is Needed (5) (16)
Finish 2-4 with only a single obligatory left press
Bring It On! (25) (148)
Defeat all the mini-bosses at the secret path in 7-2 without taking damage (No Stone, No Tornado and No Throw)
Just... JUST FIGHT ME!!!! (10) (46)
Survive Meta-Knight attacks for 1 minute without hurting him and without flying

These sound less like achievements and more like tasks the player would never have done, had they not existed as achievements.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Mister Facetious posted:

These sound less like achievements and more like optional tasks the player would never have done, had they not existed as achievements.
i mean thats what achievements are most of the time

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

Mister Facetious posted:

These sound less like achievements and more like tasks the player would never have done, had they not existed as achievements.

congratulations youve learned what an achievement is

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

from what I gather retroachievements are community-made so this mostly just speaks to the quality of the fans making the cheevos

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Runa posted:

from what I gather retroachievements are community-made so this mostly just speaks to the quality of the fans making the cheevos

yeah but thats my point, its a crapshoot if a game has remotely interesting achievements or not

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

Endorph posted:

i mean thats what achievements are most of the time

It just feels incredibly contrived, since it would never occur during normal play.

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

where have you been the last 20 years. dead rising, halo 3, left 4 dead--all of them feature achievements exactly in this same vein

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013

Mister Facetious posted:

It just feels incredibly contrived, since it would never occur during normal play.

that's the point

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Look deep within your shell
https://x.com/SuiSui_dm/status/1976227733941387439?t=d-SHp8zDTKPOpkx85EUotQ&s=19

My Dress Up Machu

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009
congrats to the people who get gifs of that as avs also

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009
anyway a pretty obvious achievement for an FE would be 'complete the game without resetting when a character dies,' ie an ironman, but its hard for the tracker to see that ig

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panko
Sep 6, 2005

~honda best man~


dont really have a cock in this squabble but I will say that doing the esoteric poo poo requested by the halo 3 achievements unlocked multiplayer cosmetics and same for the dead rising achievements unlocking op poo poo like the zero saber. cant help but think that if mega man x had achievements one would pop as soon as you unlocked the hadoken

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